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22 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-campaign-sues-philadelphia-mail-in-ballot-offices

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/detroit-chaos-republican-vote-challengers

Election rules are simple: both parties get to have campaign representatives overseeing the ballot counts. 

Not so in places like Detroit and Philadelphia where no oversight of ballot counting has been allowed in ballot-counting rooms by Republican representatives. Not surprisingly there were just enough Dem votes mailed in to save the day for Biden.

Interestingly enough, CNN was already verifying the legitimacy of this year's election on the night of the election, because somehow in their heart of hearts they just knew that everything was a-ok. But how's that even a thing? Aren't they the ones who were convinced that the whole 2016 election was illegal? In all honesty, they were kind of right, because one party caught cheating 3 times during the last election. The Dems. [Rigging a primary against Bernie, getting debate questions fed to them before the Presidential debates, and it's well-known that they were caught colluding with Russians for election dirt against Trump via Perkins Coie -> Christopher Steele -> dirty sneaky Russians]

The Dems were the party of the southern states who fought for secession so that they could keep their slaves, they fought against the blacks legally gaining the right to vote, after the blacks won that right the KKK was one of the Dems' paramilitary groups that used violence to stop blacks from voting, and in 2020 they were caught working to disenfranchise voters again. 

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.  Tighten up your tin hat.

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4 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

It is very harmful if there are doubts about the democratic process of the leading western and world nation. Be those doubts legitimate or only unable to be refuted but suspicion remains.

Hey, like ghosts and aliens!

Although they might not be harmful.

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1 minute ago, bcsapper said:

Hey, like ghosts!

Although they might not be harmful.

If I were you I wouldn't be so gleeful. This could turn very nasty indeed and then nobody will be happy. 

This farce begins to remind of African elections; the vote-counting lasts and lasts, there's a president who may not accept the outcome and all sides accuse  others of fraud.

Perhaps for the sake of credibility of democracy Trump should do what Gore did 20 years ago and give up but that doesn't abolish the problem. Quite on the contrary.

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3 hours ago, ironstone said:

I don't see much to object to with these "gods" other than Mitch McConnel's ties to China. Certainly much better than the lefty "gods".

Really? Mitch McConnell is a hypocritical weasel, refused to allow two bills to improve election security to come to a vote, which earned him the nickname Moscow Mitch. He is the absolutely best example of scorched earth politics.
Lindsay Graham is probably even worse of a hypocrite. Called Trump every nasty thing imaginable four years ago. Then turned around and stuck his face up between Trump's buttocks for four years.
Ted Cruz is such a self-serving, backstabbing scumbag that they say if he was murdered on the floor of the Senate in full session there'd be no witnesses.
Steven Bannon is facing charges of fraud, and recently said those public servants, like Dr Fauci and FBI head Chris Wray who don't bow to the president's will should be beheaded.
And Trump's douche son negotiated a deal in Indonesia for a new resort - funded by China. China gave half a billion, then when Trump removed sanctions from a Chinese phone company, another half billion. He's also trying to incite violence now in response to his father losing the election.

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2 hours ago, ironstone said:

Here are some links that may help explain how this happened:

Who knows just how widespread this may be? Everybody loses in the end with this kind of activity. You are right to be really curious about this DogOnPorch.

That is one of the most dishonest organizations around, known for conspiracy theories and 'creatively edited' videos. The Republicans are bleating about fraud in every state but haven't produced a shred of evidence that any judge has accepted as worth doing anything about. He bleated about fraud four years ago too, said there were three million phony votes His so-called 'task force' met twice, found nothing and then disbanded - because there was nothing to find.

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11 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

If I were you I wouldn't be so gleeful. This could turn very nasty indeed and then nobody will be happy. 

This farce begins to remind of African elections; the vote-counting lasts and lasts, there's a president who may not accept the outcome and all sides accuse  others of fraud.

Perhaps for the sake of credibility of democracy Trump should do what Gore did 20 years ago and give up but that doesn't abolish the problem. Quite on the contrary.

But there isn't a problem  That was the ghosts and aliens analogy.

I did say they might not be harmful.  That was the reference to Trump.

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16 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

If I were you I wouldn't be so gleeful. This could turn very nasty indeed and then nobody will be happy. 

This farce begins to remind of African elections; the vote-counting lasts and lasts, there's a president who may not accept the outcome and all sides accuse  others of fraud.

Perhaps for the sake of credibility of democracy Trump should do what Gore did 20 years ago and give up but that doesn't abolish the problem. Quite on the contrary.

The reason the vote counting is taking so long is because few states were set up to handle huge numbers of mail-in ballots, which take far longer to process than regular ballots because they have to be verified. States like Pennsylvania tried to prepare for this but Trump's cult refused to allow it. The legislature in Pennsylvania is controlled by the Trumpists due to gerrymandering, and wouldn't allow extra money, extra time or anything else to help with counting because their cult leader said mail-in voting was wrong - except for him and except in Republican states.

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The problem is that Pennsylvania hasn’t been segregating ballots received after 8 pm on Election Day.  ALL ballots received and counted after 8 pm on Election Day are illegal votes.  Pennsylvania has been adding illegal votes to the count for 3 days now.

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1 hour ago, Shady said:

 ALL ballots received and counted after 8 pm on Election Day are illegal votes

FALSE!! 
 

In its ruling, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court said that ballots could be counted if they were received by 5 p.m. Nov. 6, as long as they were mailed by Election Day, Nov. 3. It also said that ballots without a postmark would "be presumed to have been mailed by Election Day" unless there was strong evidence to the contrary.

 

Fuck, countering right wing horseshit is a full-time job...which is exactly what they want. I know you guys want to create jobs and all, but those of us who have to take on  fixing your garbage  already have jobs lol

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9 hours ago, Shady said:

The problem is that Pennsylvania hasn’t been segregating ballots received after 8 pm on Election Day.  ALL ballots received and counted after 8 pm on Election Day are illegal votes.  Pennsylvania has been adding illegal votes to the count for 3 days now.

Hmm, so you think it's fair that people who mailed their ballots before election day should be disenfranchise because the post office was deliberately slowing down delivery to please Trump?

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18 hours ago, Argus said:

This from the guy who believes everything FOX entertainment people tell him.

This from the guy whose posts amount to a bunch of baseless allegations along with a smattering of CNN narrative. 

If I wanted Anderson's Cooper's opinion I'd just watch CNN dude. 

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18 hours ago, Shady said:

It’s weird how these mistakes are always made in one direction.

 

The software that 'glitched', switching thousands of votes in Biden's favour, was used in about 40 counties in Michigan, and 30 other states. 

It's nothing to worry about though. I'm sure that the FB fact-chuckers already determined conclusively that it only happened that one time. 

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11 hours ago, Shady said:

The problem is that Pennsylvania hasn’t been segregating ballots received after 8 pm on Election Day.  ALL ballots received and counted after 8 pm on Election Day are illegal votes.  Pennsylvania has been adding illegal votes to the count for 3 days now.

Sharkman's post in another thread would indicate they had been segregated.  Or at least, an unambiguous order to segregate them was issued before election day. 

https://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/40999-a-disgraceful-coup-against-president-donald-trump-is-in-the-making/?do=findComment&comment=1427812

Edit>  Never mind.  Further reading indicates that it is the carrying out of that unambiguous order is what you are calling into question and what Justice Alito wants to confirm is happening.  I got turned around...

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Anything to get rid of Trump.  Even if you have to destroy the credibility of another institution. As a result, over 100 million people will never have the same confidence in the election process again, further polarizing the country.  But the ends justify the means.

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13 hours ago, Shady said:

The problem is that Pennsylvania hasn’t been segregating ballots received after 8 pm on Election Day.  ALL ballots received and counted after 8 pm on Election Day are illegal votes.  Pennsylvania has been adding illegal votes to the count for 3 days now.

1) IMO they held back the vote in these states because they didn't want to cheat unless they had to.

If the Dems had enough EC votes to win without Mich and PA then Det and Philadelphia would have turned in legitimate vote counts. 

2) Oddly enough, I remember Obama and the Dems going on about how elections couldn't be 'hacked', and yet there's this ballot-counting software that conveniently flips votes 180 degrees for the Dems. 

If that software was more subtle, and only flipped 200 votes in Antrim county, or just flipped a lower percentage per county, the Dems would likely have gotten away with it. The fact that it flipped so many votes in such a small county is what got them caught.

Biden's Freudian Slip is being hidden and excused away by the MSM. Ironically the one time he told the truth the media is hiding it.

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4 minutes ago, Shady said:

Anything to get rid of Trump.  Even if you have to destroy the credibility of another institution. As a result, over 100 million people will never have the same confidence in the election process again, further polarizing the country.  But the ends justify the means.

The Dems put so much effort into ensuring that voter fraud is easy, when it would be even easier to make them more secure.

They could put tens of thousands of webcams live-streaming from every polling center in the country, and they'd have no shortage of internet watchdogs on there independently verifying and recording every vote that was counted across the country. 

Instead the Dems chose to flood the zone with bogus ballots and then sequester their ballot counters away from prying eyes, and as if no one saw it coming, the votes that emerged from the darkness miraculously carried Biden to a come-from-behind victory. 

 

The same people who said "IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO CHEAT IN THIS MAIL-IN BALLOT SCENARIO!!!!!" started saying on election night "Well, what we can say for sure right now is that this election is 100% legitimate, and there's obviously no voter fraud going on here tonight" (even though it took them all three years to admit that the 2016 election was legitimate) and they are now saying "WE DON'T NEED TO LOOK AT ANY EVIDENCE OF CHEATING, WE GAVE YOU YOUR OPINIONS ALREADY DOG!!!!!!".

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On 11/6/2020 at 11:03 AM, DogOnPorch said:

MS-13 are friends of the Democrats. Pelosi pretty much said so.

"They're not animals. They're human beings."

The downtrodden immigrant...just wanting to get ahead in America.

Welcome friends! Vote Biden.

She might be right to make that distinction in this one instance because sadly, the fact that they are as evil as they are is what makes them undeniably 'human'. 

Cats are probably the 2nd-worst species on the earth when it comes to the act of needlessly torturing other animals before they kill them, but even they don't go nearly as far as MS-13 does.

And I can guarantee you that if MS-13 was a 'white' gang that rotten hag would be using the word 'animals' to describe them. 

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She could pick up a baby by the ears and they'd find a way to make it seem appropriate. 

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1 hour ago, Shady said:

Anything to get rid of Trump.  Even if you have to destroy the credibility of another institution. As a result, over 100 million people will never have the same confidence in the election process again, further polarizing the country.  But the ends justify the means.

If those people believe there's fraud despite no evidence just because a narcissistic compulsive liar who can't ever admit defeat says so then they're a waste of skin tissue anyway.

Where's the three million fraudulent votes from 2016 Trump whined about? Why didn't his task force find them? Why did they disband and never issue a report? Find me those three million fraudulent votes or shut up.

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1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

The Dems put so much effort into ensuring that voter fraud is easy, when it would be even easier to make them more secure.

Well then, I guess it's too bad the Republicans are such brainless, naive idiots that they couldn't do anything to prevent this, despite being in power, couldn't find any evidence of it, and of course, were to pure and noble to ever cheat themselves, eh? I guess they're just too stupid to be in power then.

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1 hour ago, Argus said:

If those people believe there's fraud despite no evidence just because a narcissistic compulsive liar who can't ever admit defeat says so then they're a waste of skin tissue anyway.

Where's the three million fraudulent votes from 2016 Trump whined about? Why didn't his task force find them? Why did they disband and never issue a report? Find me those three million fraudulent votes or shut up.

That’s incorrect.  Pennsylvania counted illegal ballots according to Pennsylvania state election law.  That’s why there was an order to sequester them, but that order wasn’t issued until yesterday.  But nobody cares.  It would only be cared about if the situation was reversed, and a state was counting illegal ballots that were in favour of Trump.  Then places like CNN would be well to walk coverage about how Trump is subverting democracy!  It’s all a big joke.  The Trump Haters are the biggest disingenuous hypocrites I’ve ever seen.  Brushing aside things they’d never do if the situation was reversed.  That’s why I can’t take any of you seriously anymore.  You have no credibility left.  You’ve made too many excuses.  For the FBI falsifying affidavits in order to get a FISA warrant on members of the Trump campaign.  For states ignoring they’re own election law while counting ballots.  The list goes on.  All because Trump is mean and tweets mean things.  You people need to grow up.

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27 minutes ago, Shady said:

That’s incorrect.  Pennsylvania counted illegal ballots according to Pennsylvania state election law.  That’s why there was an order to sequester them, but that order wasn’t issued until yesterday.

That's simply untrue. The ballots counted were all postmarked on or before election day. They were expressly permitted by judges because Trump's postmaster general had done his best to tamper with the postal system to delay votes coming in. Odd how that obvious case of interfering with voting does not interest you. The Republicans took that judgement up the court system and lost. Now they're hoping that with an extra conservative on the supreme court they might get the judgement reversed.


That you know nothing about anything but what whatever extreme right wing web site is telling  you indicates your opinion is without value.

 

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