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The Liberals will raise immigration to 401,000 next  year and 423,000 by 2023. They will also allow temporary foreign workers, foreign students and asylum seekers an easier path to citizenship. Basically, we'll take anyone who wants in, regardless of skill or ability. This will raise immigration to beyond 1% of our population per year. In other words, within 25 years, a third of our population will be new immigrants added since 2021. The native born population will sink to well below 50%.

This will not leave any real opportunity for newcomers to assimilate, so our culture (and inevitably our laws) will be largely what newcomers decide they should be. Newcomers mainly come from non-democratic countries which are extremely religious, do not believe in tolerance towards religious or sexual minorities or equality for women. Nor do we screen any of them to weed out the most intolerant. There will be no discussion of this expanded immigration allowed, even though it will have a massive impact on the future of Canada. No studies will be made or have been made to justify this or predict the impact.

But Trudeau's home province of Quebec will continue to be shielded as they control their own immigration and have lowered it so as to not overwhelm their culture and values. Mr. Trudeau says, however, that English Canada has no culture or values and is not a nation. Therefore there's nothing here worth preserving.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-canada-aims-to-accept-far-more-immigrants-in-next-three-years/

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15 hours ago, Argus said:

The Liberals will raise immigration to 401,000 next  year and 423,000 by 2023. They will also allow temporary foreign workers, foreign students and asylum seekers an easier path to citizenship. Basically, we'll take anyone who wants in, regardless of skill or ability. This will raise immigration to beyond 1% of our population per year. In other words, within 25 years, a third of our population will be new immigrants added since 2021. The native born population will sink to well below 50%.

This will not leave any real opportunity for newcomers to assimilate, so our culture (and inevitably our laws) will be largely what newcomers decide they should be. Newcomers mainly come from non-democratic countries which are extremely religious, do not believe in tolerance towards religious or sexual minorities or equality for women. Nor do we screen any of them to weed out the most intolerant. There will be no discussion of this expanded immigration allowed, even though it will have a massive impact on the future of Canada. No studies will be made or have been made to justify this or predict the impact.

But Trudeau's home province of Quebec will continue to be shielded as they control their own immigration and have lowered it so as to not overwhelm their culture and values. Mr. Trudeau says, however, that English Canada has no culture or values and is not a nation. Therefore there's nothing here worth preserving.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-canada-aims-to-accept-far-more-immigrants-in-next-three-years/

maybe the rest of Canada should do like Quebec

Pity I couldn't find an English version of that video

 

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1 hour ago, Cannucklehead said:

The population of Toronto is roughly 6 million.  Another 1.2 million over three years spread out over all of Canada is a drop in the bucket.  

Growing the population is a standard go-to for growing the economy.  Trade deals is another one.  Growing the economy is an overarching theme of conservative thinking, so there you go.


The anti-immigration, anti-bigbusiness populist conservatives are fake.

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1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Growing the population is a standard go-to for growing the economy.  Trade deals is another one.  Growing the economy is an overarching theme of conservative thinking, so there you go.


The anti-immigration, anti-bigbusiness populist conservatives are fake.

As I posted some time ago in my group there was a study recently which identified white liberals as the only group who have 'out group loyalty'. Ie, they prefer to be around people not of their race, ethnicity or nationality. These are the people who are delighted by masses of newcomers coming in, because they prefer to be around them rather than white Canadians.

The government isn't bringing in immigrants to grow the economy. The last time the government actually did any kind of official study, during Mulroney's time, when he wanted to double immigration, the Economic Council of Canada said that this might help the economy a little or might hurt it a little, depending on the mix of immigrants. It said such a decision would have to be made on other than economic grounds. The government never did another study of the economics of immigration. But that hasn't stopped every politician since from claiming masses of new immigrants from the third world help the economy - somehow or other. And it hasn't stopped the gullible from believing them.

Actual government studies done by the UK and Australia have shown otherwise. They've also said increased immigration wouldn't help much if at all with an aging population. But again, Canada does no such studies. It simply makes the claim. And for gullible Canadians that's good enough for them. It's not like our media is going to question any of this. Their position is that to question immigration for any reason is racist. So no one dares.

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You missed THE most important point:  they will mostly vote Liberal, thus the cost to the country is irrelevant.

The overarching conservative way of growing an economy is to be more productive and less wasteful, diametrically opposite to what liberals believe.

 

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16 minutes ago, cannuck said:

You missed THE most important point:  they will mostly vote Liberal, thus the cost to the country is irrelevant.

The overarching conservative way of growing an economy is to be more productive and less wasteful, diametrically opposite to what liberals believe.

Indeed. The Conservatives are exactly the same. When Mulroney couldn't get the Economic Council of Canada to support doubling immigration the policy was presented to cabinet as a vote getter, as they were told immigrants usually vote for the party in power when they get in, once they are allowed to vote. The Liberals are operating under the same belief.

You don't make an economy more efficient by bringing in more unskilled, uneducated people with a poor command of the language. Not these days, as low skill jobs disappear. Immigrant earnings in most categories, even five years after arrival, are barely at minimum wage levels. This means they're not going to be paying income taxes and the rest of us will have to pay more to make up for them.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=4310001001&pickMembers[0]=1.1&pickMembers[1]=2.1&pickMembers[2]=3.1&pickMembers[3]=5.6&pickMembers[4]=6.1&cubeTimeFrame.startYear=2006&cubeTimeFrame.endYear=2016&referencePeriods=20060101%2C20160101

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13 minutes ago, Argus said:

You don't make an economy more efficient by bringing in more unskilled, uneducated people with a poor command of the language

That's not how our immigration system works, of course, but you're not one to let facts get in the way of an anti-brown-immigrant agenda.

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Just now, dialamah said:

That's not how our immigration system works, of course, but you're not one to let facts get in the way of an anti-brown-immigrant agenda.

This is why you and I will never see eye to eye on immigration. I use statistics, government reports and facts. For you it's all down to your noble self-appointed duty to protect 'brown people' from anyone casting doubt on their perfection. Facts and logic don't enter into the argument. All you care about are that they're 'brown' and thus they must be protected. Because it's not like they can protect themselves without your help, after all.

You should get over your liberal bigotry.

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This is way over the reasonable number of 150,000. They must choose proportionately. For example only 1.5 out of 7 billion of world population are muslims then the proportion of immigrants from all of muslim countries must NOT exceed one fifth of 400,000.  They must also use selectivity. Immigration is supposed to contribute positively to Canada not being a burden on Canada. Immigration system is nor a charity or refugee organization. If all of above is not respected I may not be voting for my favorite party in the next election.

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5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Growing the population is a standard go-to for growing the economy.  Trade deals is another one.  Growing the economy is an overarching theme of conservative thinking, so there you go.

 

No...this is a simplistic view of what drives economic growth and how GDP is measured.   It is certainly possible to grow an economy without population growth through higher worker productivity, higher education, higher return on capital.   If population growth alone was the "standard", many developing countries around the world would have robust and growing economies.

Population growth is the standard for western governments to fund entitlement programs in the future.

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1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

1.No...this is a simplistic view of what drives economic growth and how GDP is measured.   It is certainly possible to grow an economy without population growth through higher worker productivity, higher education, higher return on capital.   If population growth alone was the "standard", many developing countries around the world would have robust and growing economies.

 

1. Agree absolutely.
 

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1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

No...this is a simplistic view of what drives economic growth and how GDP is measured.   It is certainly possible to grow an economy without population growth through higher worker productivity, higher education, higher return on capital.

But our governments have used immigration as a lazy man's way to go even while productivity has stagnated, education programs have been allowed to be turned into money-making schemes by bringing in hundreds of thousands of foreign students (regardless of the impact on the quality of education) and bureaucracy and political concerns deter new and expanding business opportunities.

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25 minutes ago, Argus said:

But our governments have used immigration as a lazy man's way to go ....

 

True...because the population growth Ponzi scheme (through immigration) to fund entitlement programs is far easier to accomplish than higher worker productivity and return on capital.   Government acturaries help to bend the narrative to favour political expediency.   Access to younger, cheaper labour is irresistible.

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9 hours ago, Cannucklehead said:

The population of Toronto is roughly 6 million.  Another 1.2 million over three years spread out over all of Canada is a drop in the bucket.  

Would you object to all of the provinces having control over their own immigration just as Quebec does? Birth rates are low in Canada so we have to boost our population largely with people who may not now or never share Canadian values?

I want people to come to Canada that have the skills we need and are proficient in our official languages . This policy amounts to Liberals importing new voters for themselves. I also think there's something to the argument about taking the best people from poorer countries  being harmful to the long term development of said countries.

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10 hours ago, Cannucklehead said:

The population of Toronto is roughly 6 million.  Another 1.2 million over three years spread out over all of Canada is a drop in the bucket.  

Toronto gets about 35% of newcomers and has a terrible housing problem today. Not to mention a terribly overgrown road  system. This will add about 400,000 more people in need of housing in the next three years. Plus another 444,000 in the three years that follows that. If you think that is a drop in the bucket you've never been there.

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32 minutes ago, Argus said:

Toronto gets about 35% of newcomers and has a terrible housing problem today. Not to mention a terribly overgrown road  system. This will add about 400,000 more people in need of housing in the next three years. Plus another 444,000 in the three years that follows that. If you think that is a drop in the bucket you've never been there.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/beta.ctvnews.ca/national/canada/2019/10/2/1_4621000.html

 

I think they'll be just fine.  

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Interestingly when people who say that there aren't too many immigrants therefore must have some sort of an idea when there are too many immigrants and when asked about it like exact figures they never come up with any accurate answer.

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Canada also has a challenge with net immigration, in that a percentage of landed immigrants as permanent residents and naturalized citizens will leave Canada for other countries over time.   It is estimated that 10% of Canadians do not live in Canada. 

Bringing in more immigrants helps to offset the bleeding.

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11 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Growing the population is a standard go-to for growing the economy.  Trade deals is another one.  Growing the economy is an overarching theme of conservative thinking, so there you go.


The anti-immigration, anti-bigbusiness populist conservatives are fake.

Yes but it is not the only way of growing your population, and while it is the flavor of the day, does not mean it is the best way. 

The pushing of one agenda, such as immigration is the only option , is a dishonest liberal ploy...

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2 hours ago, Cannucklehead said:

So because there were 66,000 houses temporarily empty in a city of 6 million people in 2016 you think bringing in 400,000 people in the next three years won't be a problem? You realize there are always some houses/apartments temporarily empty, right, as a tenant or homeowner move out before the new tenant or homeowner moves in and work has to be done?

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2 hours ago, Cannucklehead said:

I think your on crack, lets start with numbers from your own source, maybe it is the new math, next year over 400,000 new immigrants will enter Canada, but our major cities only have 175,000 surplus homes.... while your numbers seem huge it is the lack of housing that has driven the prices up. 

Toronto, Montreal, and most of the other big cities have an infra structure deficit, meaning they don't have the means to take on large numbers with out major construction, road networks, sewage plants, power grids,    ... how does taking in more immigrants solve any of these problem help these problems , and while a lot are going to be placed in rural Canada, most will make they're way to these big city centers overwhelming them... Who foots the bill for all of that, I'm sure the major in Toronto just breathed a sigh of relieve because you think it is going to be alright.. And while you big city boys are used to crowded cities , here in the country not so much... 

The report states 66,000 homes are sitting empty in Toronto, and around 64,000 vacant homes are in Montreal. Calgary, Ottawa and Edmonton each “have more than 20,000 vacant properties,” and Vancouver has around 25,000 vacant homes.

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5 hours ago, Argus said:

But our governments have used immigration as a lazy man's way to go even while productivity has stagnated, education programs have been allowed to be turned into money-making schemes by bringing in hundreds of thousands of foreign students (regardless of the impact on the quality of education) and bureaucracy and political concerns deter new and expanding business opportunities.

Worse yet, in dealing with government, academia and large business, one is forced to try to work with someone with a poor command of English or French, have their position and/or title due to privilege, not merit and most of all have no concept of the ethics upon which our society, academia and business expect and depend upon.

I still think the correct way to settle newcomers who don't come with professional credentials and a sponsoring employer is to send them to reserves.   Aboriginals want to be treated as equals, so let's give them a few hundred thousand doses of equality.   I suspect after a few hundred immigrants settled in, you would find a few who could design an adequate water system and a bunch more who would get off their ass and install it and a few more who would do what is seldom done and actually monitor and maintain it.

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On 10/31/2020 at 4:55 AM, Michael Hardner said:

Growing the population is a standard go-to for growing the economy. 

 

This is exactly how they see it. 400,000 immigrants/year is over 1,000 flights, or 3 full airplanes landing every day for three years and no one leaves.

Our ponzi-scheme economy cannot promise growth and attract investment unless the population base grows.

It appears we will continue to trash the country / environment till some cataclysmic event puts an end to it.

 

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