Canada & the US Civil War

[Army Guy]

On 8/18/2020 at 7:55 PM, August1991 said:

Getty Images? Whatever.

Humans, like raccoons, spiders and fish, can be violent. But European humans seem particularly violent. After every 5th or 6th generation, they have an extremely violent conflict where they kill each other. Maybe it's the water in the Rhine or Rhone or something. Whatever it is, it's not civilized and anyone who thinks that Europeans are civilized has been conned.

 

Humans are nothing like animals, Animals will kill for survival and to eat and nothing else. it was not racoons that invented the flame thrower, napalm , chemical warfare, that was invented by humans..... and we are still looking for better ways to kill each other....It's humans that kill for for all reasons including pleasure, sport, resources , war and not just Europeans, ALL humans including Canadians,  everyone if not held in check by laws and consequences are very capable of killing without any cause what so ever.. look at what happened in Somalia, and some members of the Airborne regt.... it does not take much of a leap to take a life in a violent manner... and if exposed to it often enough it becomes normal behavior..  

[August1991]

On 12/14/2020 at 9:50 PM, Army Guy said:

Humans are nothing like animals, Animals will kill for survival and to eat and nothing else.

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Humans are animals. And animals behave in various ways for a variety of reasons. Survival is possibly one reason.

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We all pass on our genetic code. But some animals pass on habits, learned knowledge.

In a century or so, someone may see this video! Could any European man in 1913 see a Youtube video from Leipzig in 1813?

[Army Guy]

2 hours ago, August1991 said:

Humans are animals. And animals behave in various ways for a variety of reasons. Survival is possibly one reason.

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We all pass on our genetic code. But some animals pass on habits, learned knowledge.

In a century or so, someone may see this video! Could any European man in 1913 see a Youtube video from Leipzig in 1813?

A mother bear protecting her cubs would be an example of killing for survival, any mother animal really. 

Yes we are animals according to science, but where we differ is humans will kill for pleasure, sport, survival, religion, revenge and god knows how many other causes. And it is not just Europeans, it's every human across the globe, it is not a learned thing, it's a basic instinct to kill. 

Today we learn not to kill as we grow. to kill for pleasure, sport, religion, race based, the list goes on that is learned and does not take much to transition too. From a productive member of society, to one that can take a life once all the restrictions are removed. 

You can call it what ever you want genetic code, habits, or learned knowledge...  there are plenty of books out on the whole idea. , A good on is "ON killing" written by a military mental health specialist.

I've seen first hand what humans can do to each other. And we can be some sick bastards when we want to. The rest of the animal kingdom does not do any of that, for humans all it takes is the lack of consequences for killing and it's game on... 

 

[August1991]

59 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

A mother bear protecting her cubs would be an example of killing for survival, any mother animal really. 

Yes we are animals according to science, but where we differ is humans will kill for pleasure, sport, survival, religion, revenge and god knows how many other causes. And it is not just Europeans, it's every human across the globe, it is not a learned thing, it's a basic instinct to kill. 

Today we learn not to kill as we grow. to kill for pleasure, sport, religion, race based, the list goes on that is learned and does not take much to transition too. From a productive member of society, to one that can take a life once all the restrictions are removed. 

You can call it what ever you want genetic code, habits, or learned knowledge...  there are plenty of books out on the whole idea. , A good on is "ON killing" written by a military mental health specialist.

I've seen first hand what humans can do to each other. And we can be some sick bastards when we want to. The rest of the animal kingdom does not do any of that, for humans all it takes is the lack of consequences for killing and it's game on... 

 

Army Guy,

You're clueless about the universe, and my point.

My point was that Europeans, every century or so, tend to kill each other.

Other continents tend to be civiised/peaceful.  

[August1991]

2 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Army Guy,

You're clueless about the universe, and my point.

My point was that Europeans, every century or so, tend to kill each other.

Other continents tend to be civiised/peaceful.

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Ferdawdsakes, when did Manitoba attack Minnesota?

Agreed: Massachusetts and Tennessee were once at war.  

 

[Army Guy]

13 hours ago, August1991 said:

Army Guy,

You're clueless about the universe, and my point.

My point was that Europeans, every century or so, tend to kill each other.

Other continents tend to be civiised/peaceful.  

Ya I'm clueless to your universe, In my universe every continent has had a long history of killing for all kinds of reasons...So your a god, so teach me old wise one. How do we explain the middle east ? lets not even talk about Asia , japan attacks china ,Japan attacks USA, the Japanese soldier was ruthless in treating everyone else.. Korean war, Vietnam, Lao's  Kama rouge, India + Pakistan,  the African continent on which there has been war or conflict for the last 200 years or more...that is my point every corner of the globe has had war or conflict since man picked up a club.. So which one of these continents tend to be civilized and peaceful ? 

[Petros]

On 12/13/2020 at 11:33 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:

Thanks for adding another item to the reasons for not moving to Canada.   More landed immigrants live in the USA (20%) than any other country in the world, regardless of climate (more than the entire population of Canada).

Immigrants as % of population:

Canada: 21.3

United States 15.4

 

For as long as I can remeber, Canada has always admitted a greater percentage of immigrants annually than the United States. This is why the ratio of Americans to Canadians has shrunk from 10:1 in the 70s, to 8.75:1 in 2020.

 

Belgium, Switzerland, Germany, Austria, Sweden, Norway, Ireland, Australia, and New Zealand all have a greater percentage of landed immigrants than the United States.  And this is not even including countries from the Middle East (UAE has the highest % of immigrants in the World at 87.9)

Edited December 20, 2020 by Petros

[bush_cheney2004]

2 hours ago, Petros said:

Belgium, Switzerland, Germany, Austria, Sweden, Norway, Ireland, Australia, and New Zealand all have a greater percentage of landed immigrants than the United States. 

 

So climate is not an excuse....thank you for proving my point.

The United States still has more landed immigrants than any other country in the world, and the vast majority of American citizens have immigrants as their ancestors.

Edited December 20, 2020 by bush_cheney2004

[Cannucklehead]

By a massive landslide the population of Canada is far more dense closer to the u.s. border, and I doubt its to fight of an invasion.  

[bush_cheney2004]

2 hours ago, Cannucklehead said:

 

By a massive landslide the population of Canada is far more dense closer to the u.s. border, and I doubt its to fight of an invasion.  

 

Canada is what it is...where it is....and loses more immigrants to the United States than vice-versa (net migration).  10% of Canadians don't even live in the country.

[Cannucklehead]

12 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Canada is what it is...where it is....and loses more immigrants to the United States than vice-versa (net migration).  10% of Canadians don't even live in the country.

 

And you think the u.s. doesn't have that problem?  

Per capita Canada is bringing in far more each year.  

[bush_cheney2004]

15 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

Per capita Canada is bringing in far more each year.  

 

Too late...the U.S. has already "brought in" far more than Canada....for over 100 years.

Far more immigrants still choose the USA.

Edited December 20, 2020 by bush_cheney2004

[Cannucklehead]

7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Too late...the U.S. has already "brought in" far more than Canada....for over 100 years.

Far more immigrants still choose the USA.

Thanks to FDR and Truman.  

 

Long-standing immigration restrictions began to crumble in 1943, when a law allowed a limited number of Chinese to immigrate. In 1952, legislation allowed a limited number of visas for other Asians, and race was formally removed as grounds for exclusion. Although a presidential commission recommended scrapping the national-origins quota system, Congress did not go along.

 

 

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Cannucklehead said:

Thanks to FDR and Truman. 

 

Canada had immigration restrictions too during the 20th century....sign of the times.  

In the 19th century, far more immigrants came to the U.S. than to Canada.

...and they still do.

[Cannucklehead]

12 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Canada had immigration restrictions too during the 20th century....sign of the times.  

In the 19th century, far more immigrants came to the U.S. than to Canada.

...and they still do.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/08/20/key-findings-about-u-s-immigrants/ft_2020-08-20_immigrants_03b/

 

Well yeah, the majority of them are your neighbor...

[bush_cheney2004]

3 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

Well yeah, the majority of them are your neighbor...

 

The largest ethnic demographic group in the U.S. has German heritage....not exactly a bordering country.

Edited December 20, 2020 by bush_cheney2004

[Petros]

4 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

So climate is not an excuse....thank you for proving my point.

The United States still has more landed immigrants than any other country in the world, and the vast majority of American citizens have immigrants as their ancestors.

No idea why you needed to display a chart with absolute numbers. I was referring to percentage of the population that are immigrants.  Canada could not absorb as many immigrants as the United States, simply because the population of Canada is 37.8 million, while the population of America is 331 million. Canada does not have the capacity to allow more immigrants in absolute numbers.

Canada and possibly 30 other nations have more immigrants as their ancestors, than the United States. Climate is the main reason that the population of America is 8.75 times the number of Canadians. If the territories and the northern half of most provinces were inhabitable, Canada would have similar population to America.

 

Edited December 20, 2020 by Petros

[bush_cheney2004]

3 minutes ago, Petros said:

No idea why you needed to display a chart with absolute numbers. I was referring to percentage of the population that are immigrants.  Canada could not absorb as many immigrants as the United States, simply because the population of Canada is 37.8 million, while the population of America is 331 million. Canada does not have the capacity to allow more immigrants in absolute numbers.

 

Canada's population has not grown as fast for lots of reasons, including total number of immigrants.   China and India have far larger populations than the United States, but still have fewer landed immigrants.   That is why absolute numbers matter.    The U.S. has the most immigrants than any other nation regardless of population...for over 100 years.

 

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Canada and possibly 30 other nations have more immigrants as their ancestors, than the United States.

 

Not Canada....not mathematically possible.

[Petros]

9 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

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Canada's population has not grown as fast for lots of reasons, including total number of immigrants.   China and India have far larger populations than the United States, but still have fewer landed immigrants.   That is why absolute numbers matter.    The U.S. has the most immigrants than any other nation regardless of population...for over 100 years.

In terms of absolute numbers, China and India are growing faster than the United States. India is growing faster then America both in absolute numbers and percentage. The reason that China does not absorb as many immigrants as the US, is due to their efforts in controlling their population. The Chinese have tried limiting th number of children that a couple can have.  In  India, it has everything to do with the country being a third world nation 

 

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Not Canada....not mathematically possible.

Yes, and that is because of climate, in spite of your claims to the contrary. Most of Canada is uninhabitable. 

 

Edited December 20, 2020 by Petros

[bush_cheney2004]

6 minutes ago, Petros said:

In terms of absolute numbers, China and India are growing faster than the United States. India is growing faster then America both in absolute numbers and percentage. The reason that China does not absorb as many immigrants as the US, is due to their efforts in controlling their population. The Chinese have tried limiting th number of children that a couple can have.  In  India, it has everything to do with the country being a third world nation 

 

But not for immigration growth and total numbers.  USA remains #1...for a long time.   Many U.S. immigrants come from.....wait for it....China and India.

 

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Yes, and that is because of climate, in spite of your claims to the contrary. Most of Canada is uninhabitable. 

 

Canada is what it is...where it is.    Before COVID...twice as many Canadians traveled each year to the United States than did Americans going north, and the U.S. has ten times the population.  Because of climate...and many other factors.

 

 

[Petros]

16 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

But not for immigration growth and total numbers.  USA remains #1...for a long time.   Many U.S. immigrants come from.....wait for it....China and India.

 

 

Canada is what it is...where it is.    Before COVID...twice as many Canadians traveled each year to the United States than did Americans going north, and the U.S. has ten times the population.  Because of climate...and many other factors.

 

 

Actually, China and India are far ahead of the United States in total numbers for population growth.  IN fact, India is growing faster than the United States in percent of people (0.99% vs 0.59%).

The USA does not have 10 times the population of Canada. You must be using numbers from the 1970s.  Canada has narrowed the gap to approximately 8.75 to 1. 

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, Petros said:

Actually, China and India are far ahead of the United States in total numbers for population growth.  IN fact, India is growing faster than the United States in percent of people (0.99% vs 0.59%).

But still lag far behind for number of landed immigrants, despite having much larger populations.

 

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The USA does not have 10 times the population of Canada. You must be using numbers from the 1970s.  Canada has narrowed the gap to approximately 8.75 to 1. 

 

The U.S. has far more undocumented immigrants as part of the population.   And 10% of Canadians do not even live in Canada.

[Petros]

50 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

The U.S. has far more undocumented immigrants as part of the population.   And 10% of Canadians do not even live in Canada.

I'm sure the percentage of Americans who live abroad is somewhat similiar. As for Canadians living in the United States, the numbers decreased. The numbers have been decreasing for nearly a decade since the US fiscal crisis. IN fact, many American immigrants tried to enter Canada during the Trump Administration, as political refugees.  Some even had to have fingers amputated due to frostbite, and the unfamiliarity of the climate (this happened in early 2017).

The political climate in the United States is causing a drop in the number of Canadians that seek US citizenship. IN fact, I would not be at all surprised if more Americans migrate to Canada than vice versa by the end of this decade. 

https://www.cicnews.com/2020/07/u-s-immigration-to-canada-is-skyrocketing-0714940.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2020/02/18/immigrants-flock-to-canada-while-us-declines/?sh=b06be376e541

Edited December 20, 2020 by Petros

[bush_cheney2004]

3 hours ago, Petros said:

I'm sure the percentage of Americans who live abroad is somewhat similiar.

 

 

I'm sure it is not...about 3% for the U.S. vs. 10% for Canada.

 

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The political climate in the United States is causing a drop in the number of Canadians that seek US citizenship. IN fact, I would not be at all surprised if more Americans migrate to Canada than vice versa by the end of this decade.

 

11,000 Canadians became naturalized U.S. citizens in 2019.   More Canadians still migrate to the USA, even though Canada has a much smaller population.

[Petros]

22 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

I'm sure it is not...about 3% for the U.S. vs. 10% for Canada.

 

 

11,000 Canadians became naturalized U.S. citizens in 2019.   More Canadians still migrate to the USA, even though Canada has a much smaller population.

In absolute numbers, more Americans live abroad than Canadians.

• The current net migration rate for Canada in 2020 is 6.375 per 1000 population, a 1.44% decline from 2019.
• The net migration rate for Canada in 2019 was 6.468 per 1000 population, a 1.43% decline from 2018.
• The net migration rate for Canada in 2018 was 6.562 per 1000 population, a 1.55% decline from 2017.
• The net migration rate for Canada in 2017 was 6.665 per 1000 population, a 1.52% decline from 2016.

In fact, net migration from Canada peaked in 2008 at 8.001 per 1,000. Once civil war breaks out in the United States, the net migration from America will be astronomical. We will have to hire additional border security to keep the hoards of Americans out of our country.