WE Charity Scandal

[Argus]

28 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Trudeau looks no different than a lot of politicians do. This country deserves what it gets.

And the answer is to vote against such people, to keep booting them out as soon as they reveal themselves (which should have been last election) until politicians get the message.

[scribblet]

17 minutes ago, Argus said:

......? Yet he did not recuse himself when the vote came to award them a nearly one billion dollar contract. Neither did Morneau. Did Morneau not know his two daughters worked there?  Do you really think it just coincidence that this group was chosen on a no-bid contract worth so much?

from the NDP:      We won't get any straight answers, everything has to be dragged out, a little at a time. 

Charlie Angus NDP   @CharlieAngusNDP

We learned today that WE was floating a proposal prior to when @JustinTrudeau

 made his public announcement on student/volunteer scheme.

What was in the proposal?

Who did they give it to in the PM?

It raises questions as to whether WE had the inside track.

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

You have no proof that he did this. As I said he is busy with running a country and he cannot be on the top of everything and know in details about everything done by his government or his family. You are PROVED my point that is desperate Cons wanting to make popular Prime Minister look bad!!!!

No proof?

It was his government that appointed that charity. He admitted himself that his part of the decision making process. That is absolutely all the proof that I need to make my point.

Just because he’s busy running a country doesn’t mean that he’s not aware of certain, very basic things, like where his mom, wife and brother got $300,000.00  
 

That’s not a sum of money that you can be unaware of.

Even if they just earned $20,000 this would still be bad. He’s the Prime Minister of Canada, his family shouldn’t be getting paid money from a charity that he is giving taxpayer money to. He can’t just pretend to not know that either - ignorance is literally no excuse at all.
 

I get that you love Trudeau no matter what he does, but what he did was inexcusable. It’s time to  move on. This is a guy who called for someone to resign over buying a $16 glass of orange juice. This is like a $300,000 glass of orange juice.

Edited July 17, 2020 by WestCanMan

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Trudeau looks no different than a lot of politicians do. This country deserves what it gets.

After over a decade Harper had a $90K non-scandal that pushed CTV and CBC into chicken little. 
 

In five years Trudeau has averaged a major scandal per year. 

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Trudeau Lite looks and acts weak. He's perceived as a weakling world wide.  Pretty hard to change others perceptions  . . . . . 

And we're still getting what we deserve.

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, Argus said:

And the answer is to vote against such people, to keep booting them out as soon as they reveal themselves (which should have been last election) until politicians get the message.

Voting is part of the answer but it's a pretty weak form of accountability compared to what I had in mind. Trouble is you people think that means enslaving you or so I've been told.

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

After over a decade Harper had a $90K non-scandal that pushed CTV and CBC into chicken little. 
 

In five years Trudeau has averaged a major scandal per year. 

And we still deserve everything we're getting.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

And we still deserve everything we're getting.

You were in favour of Trudeau winning iirc. 

[betsy]

11 hours ago, eyeball said:

If it wasn't in the news how did you find out about it?

Read my post again.

 

.......two CANADIAN  24-hour news channel.  Yo - CBC and CTV , 

[Argus]

Andrew MacDougal makes it pretty clear who was responsible for this contract.

In this (still-surfacing) version of events, a charity with a long association with the prime minister, his family and his advisers, one that pays hundreds of thousands of dollars to Trudeau’s family members and puts together slick, campaign-style videos promoting the prime minister while simultaneously receiving millions of dollars of government grants and contributions and other sole-source contracts, is being laid low by the pernicious effects of the coronavirus. There is massive churn on the board of directors and large numbers of staff are being laid off as Canada enters lockdown. All looks lost. Until, that is, the Trudeau government comes to the rescue with an offer to administer a pandemic-related program.

Not that WE had ever delivered a similar program, mind you. Not that WE even have the staff to deliver the program (the charity had to hire back hundreds of laid-off staff in anticipation of getting the work before the program was formally announced in June). Not that WE even have any particularly good ideas to pull students into the program, other than throwing money at other groups to do it for them. And we’re meant to believe this group was the “only” one capable of delivering the program?

https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/macdougall-trudeau-ducks-for-cover-behind-the-non-partisan-public-service/wcm/0748db2c-65e8-4ddd-999d-b5bb87c16067/

[CITIZEN_2015]

14 hours ago, Argus said:

I note that you exempt Trudeau from all blame by suggesting he was too dumb to know what was going on, yet when it comes to the Harper government you firmly convict them without trial.

This is the first case for Trudeau after 5 years but in Harper's case corruption cases were numerous. 

[Nefarious Banana]

5 hours ago, betsy said:

Read my post again.

 

.......two CANADIAN  24-hour news channel.  Yo - CBC and CTV,

If you want real news . . . . you don't listen to CBC.  

[Nefarious Banana]

15 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

This is the first case for Trudeau after 5 years but in Harper's case corruption cases were numerous. 

Just curious . . . . 

How/why did you become a Liberal cheerleader?

Can you not see the damage to unity, commerce, and national pride that Canada is suffering from under the 'leadership' of the boy in Ottawa?

Nice try at deflection.  Well done!

[CITIZEN_2015]

5 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Just curious . . . . 

How/why did you become a Liberal cheerleader?

Can you not see the damage to unity, commerce, and national pride that Canada is suffering from under the 'leadership' of the boy in Ottawa?

Nice try at deflection.  Well done!

Since I witnessed how the Cons(ervatives) ruined this country during their governing years. Harper was the worse but even before that Kim Campbell, Brian Mulroney. Believe it or not I used to be a conservative supported. Back in 1988 I voted for Mulroney and his free trade which by the way was very positive for Canada and we still enjoy the fruits, however, after his failure to bring Quebec into constitution which almost destroyed this country in 1995 and Campbell's heartless comment i 1993 about the unemployed having to wait until year 2000 for jobs to appear and Harper's corruptions and right wing stupid religious policies I became a staunch Liberal. The Conservatives made me a Liberal supporter by their failures and actions over decades.

[Nefarious Banana]

10 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Since I witnessed how the Cons(ervatives) ruined this country during their governing years. Harper was the worse but even before that Kim Campbell, Brian Mulroney. Believe it or not I used to be a conservative supported. Back in 1988 I voted for Mulroney and his free trade which by the way was very positive for Canada and we still enjoy the fruits, however, after his failure to bring Quebec into constitution which almost destroyed this country in 1995 and Campbell's heartless comment i 1993 about the unemployed having to wait until year 2000 for jobs to appear and Harper's corruptions and right wing stupid religious policies I became a staunch Liberal. The Conservatives made me a Liberal supporter by their failures and actions over decades.

Mulroney failed Quebec?  Are you kidding?  Quebec has never wanted to contribute to Confederation, never wanted to be a part of Canada.  Quebec is the whining child in a room of adults. Always wanting something from everyone else.  Your boy in Ottawa is destroying this country.  Voters like you make sure he'll be able to succeed at his destruction of Canada.  You must be so proud.

[Argus]

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

This is the first case for Trudeau after 5 years but in Harper's case corruption cases were numerous. 

No, this is NOT the first case for Trudeau. You simply ignored the previous cases, as well.

[Argus]

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

 Back in 1988 I voted for Mulroney and his free trade which by the way was very positive for Canada and we still enjoy the fruits, however, after his failure to bring Quebec into constitution which almost destroyed this country in 1995

The constitution that the Liberals brought in - and did not bring Quebec into?

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

and Campbell's heartless comment i 1993 about the unemployed having to wait until year 2000 for jobs to appear

No, you're making that up. Here is what she actually said:

But Day 1 of a 47-day campaign began shakily for Campbell. Her key promise was to reduce the deficit, but when reporters questioned her on the issue of unemployment — which then hovered around 11 per cent — she responded that the jobless rate wouldn't likely fall for two, three or four years. "I could say how many jobs I'd like to create, but, I'm sorry, that's old politics," she said.

 Liberal leader Jean Chrétien jumped on the remark, promising that a Liberal government would bring better times and deliver jobs. 

"It will be like the good old days," he said. "Canadians will be working."

But Campbell would prove correct: the jobless rate didn't fall below 10 per cent until 1996, hovered at eight per cent until 1999, and finally broke seven per cent in 2000.

So you're angry she wouldn't give you a false promise and think Chretien was great because he lied to you.

https://www.cbc.ca/archives/kim-campbell-the-politician-who-wouldn-t-promise-jobs-1.4813213

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

and Harper's corruptions and right wing stupid religious policies I became a staunch Liberal. The Conservatives made me a Liberal supporter by their failures and actions over decades.

Harper had no corruption that even came close to what Trudeau did with SNC Lavelin or this billion dollars to friends. And I bet you can't name any of his 'stupid religious policies, either.

[CITIZEN_2015]

1 hour ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Mulroney failed Quebec?  Are you kidding?  Quebec has never wanted to contribute to Confederation, never wanted to be a part of Canada.  Quebec is the whining child in a room of adults. Always wanting something from everyone else.  Your boy in Ottawa is destroying this country.  Voters like you make sure he'll be able to succeed at his destruction of Canada.  You must be so proud.

Mulroney failed Canada not Quebec. If Quebec were voting for separation (Quebec said YES to Canada for a second time) then it would have been Canada which would have been broken up not Quebec. Appreciate Quebec more which by its presence in Federation makes Canada so unique and distinct. Vive Le Canada. Vive le Quebec.

[Nefarious Banana]

12 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Mulroney failed Canada not Quebec. If Quebec were voting for separation (Quebec said YES to Canada for a second time) then it would have been Canada which would have been broken up not Quebec. Appreciate Quebec more which by its presence in Federation makes Canada so unique and distinct. Vive Le Canada. Vive le Quebec.

This thread is about the systemic corruption of the present Liberal party and specifically Justin Trudeau . . . . 

There is nothing 'unique' about the presence and non-committal of Quebec to Canada.  

[PIK]

19 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Who is that this country deserves in YOUR opinion. Some idiot dictator like Peter MacKay who was an injustice minister during corrupt Harper regime as Justice minister pushed the bills through Parliament, totally in undemocratic manner through deceptions and calling his own hand picked witnesses and etc.

I guess that the 2015 on my handle is deceiving but that was supposed to be the year I joined THIS forum. As being new to this country I was in this country when Trudeau's father Pierre was running the country as Prime Minister and hence I am fully informed how the Cons(ervatives) messed up this country over decades ranging from Mulroney whom because of his failure we almost lost the country in 1995 or Kim Campbell who said to the army of unemployed Canadians don't call us we call you for jobs in the year 2000 or the 9 years of corrupt scandalous Harper regime.

The corrupt Harper government? Are you on drugs. The country was at peace when he was in power. You knew who made the decisions, because trudeau certainly does not make them. Every gov has its scandals, but to say harper was worse than trudeau or even chretien ,is so stupid. That is just a hate on you have. And you look at the history, it is the cons that have to be the bad guy to clean up the liberal messes, after buying a couple elections. Trudeau is buying the election right now. Just look at how the money is being spent and now serb is on till dec. They will keep it going and then call a election to force the cons to come out with a plan to get rid of it. The ONT libs were the same.

[betsy]

 

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3 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

This is the first case for Trudeau after 5 years but in Harper's case corruption cases were numerous. 

 

Lol.  You forgot SNC Lavalin?

Trudeau hasn't learned anything about conflict of interest.  This last case is even more serious - we're rewarding WE to give money to his family!   Or, WE is using his family to get to Trudeau.   take your pick.

Edited July 17, 2020 by betsy

[eyeball]

On 7/16/2020 at 10:19 PM, WestCanMan said:

You were in favour of Trudeau winning iirc. 

No, ydrc.

Edited July 19, 2020 by eyeball

[scribblet]

Liberals have been filibustering the ethics committee to stop the vote, what are they trying to hide.

[cougar]

On 7/10/2020 at 6:30 AM, Moonlight Graham said:

Anyone who takes a payment from a charity just to speak at an event is a true piece of turd.

I agree.   But in this case the word is Kickback, not payment.

Edited July 18, 2020 by cougar

[Queenmandy85]

The problem with relying on the next election is there is no alternative. Mr. O'Toole could be a glimmer of a so-so alternative, but there is really nobody to vote for. I will never vote for MacKay. I was a Tory activist since the 1962 election, but that Judas destroyed the Party and sold us out to the Bolshevik Socialist Credit/ Reform. Singh is a non-starter. When Balchet,the most capable learder,  is a separatist, we have a serious problem in this country. If the Grits ever do the honourable thing and replace Prime Minister Trudeau with Chrystia Freeland, it will make the choice a lot easier.