Face Mask Toxicity Test - Fail! & Mist Test

[zagzig]

What do people think of this? At a time when the federal, provincial and civic narrative is  "we're all in this together," "it's only for a short while," or you will help "stop the spread." The test presented in this film shows highly dangerous oxygen and carbon dioxide levels under the masks. These concentrations are in violation of OSHA & Health Canada health guidelines. I am familiar with these gas vapour analyzers and everything in the test is carried out just fine. 

 

[OftenWrong]

The masks are bullshit.

[dialamah]

20 hours ago, zagzig said:

What do people think of this? At a time when the federal, provincial and civic narrative is  "we're all in this together," "it's only for a short while," or you will help "stop the spread." The test presented in this film shows highly dangerous oxygen and carbon dioxide levels under the masks. These concentrations are in violation of OSHA & Health Canada health guidelines. I am familiar with these gas vapour analyzers and everything in the test is carried out just fine. 

Mysteriously, medical professionals have used masks for hours at a time and suffered no ill effects.  This has been going on for decades.  Your film is is a lie. 

[betsy]

5 hours ago, dialamah said:

Mysteriously, medical professionals have used masks for hours at a time and suffered no ill effects.  This has been going on for decades.  Your film is is a lie. 

Surprise!   We agree on this.

Trying their best to kick the mask out of the equation when simple common sense dictates it helps prevent the spread -  I don't know what the phobia is on masks!    It's not like as if when you wear a mask you won't do any other precautionary measures. I simply can't understand that reaction. 

 

Think of unwanted pregnancy!   Lol.   Sure we're on the pill - but if you insist on the penis mask (condom) - all the better!

 

Imagine donning masks in public, along with frequent hand-washing, and if you can do it, social-distancing!   It's a win-win situation!

Edited July 10, 2020 by betsy

[cougar]

On 7/10/2020 at 5:46 AM, dialamah said:

Your film is is a lie. 

Truth must be somewhere in the middle.   Supposedly we breathe in clean oxygen rich air and breathe out dirty / oxygen depleted air.  If you start putting this poor air again through your lungs and recycle many times, this can't be good for you.

But then, this is the same as sitting in an unventilated room after a smoker has had a dozen cigarettes in the room; or sleeping with the blanket over your head (and maybe passing gas). ;-)

Masks create moisture around your face which can't be good either.  I wear glasses and masks cause the lenses to fog up; a losing cause for me.

 

 

[Moonlight Graham]

I've been huffing the CO2 inside my mask for 4 days straight in hopes that I pass out.  So far, passed out 47 times.

[eyeball]

On 7/10/2020 at 4:22 AM, OftenWrong said:

The masks are bullshit.

Said the most highly trained medical expert in the land. 

[betsy]

13 hours ago, cougar said:

Truth must be somewhere in the middle.   Supposedly we breathe in clean oxygen rich air and breathe out dirty / oxygen depleted air.  If you start putting this poor air again through your lungs and recycle many times, this can't be good for you.

But then, this is the same as sitting in an unventilated room after a smoker has had a dozen cigarettes in the room; or sleeping with the blanket over your head (and maybe passing gas). ;-)

 

Whatever truth there is - obviously it's not toxic enough to have doctors and nurses worried!   Why are you making yourself fret over nothing?

 

 

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Masks create moisture around your face which can't be good either.  I wear glasses and masks cause the lenses to fog up; a losing cause for me.

The problem must be  with the kind of mask you're using.

   I had used painter or sander's mask from hardware stores (cup shaped), and masks that you buy at Costco or Giant Tiger (like medical masks) - I never had those problems.   So.....it's the quality of mask you have.   Get a different one.

Edited July 12, 2020 by betsy

[Moonbox]

This thread made me laugh out loud.

Doctors and health professionals are trying to kill themselves!  This is against the Geneva Convention (or something)!  Alien sex!  Hydrochloroquine is the only cure against the socialist vampire cult trying to dethrone our lord and Savior Donald!

[cannuck]

Cougar has it right: the truth is somewhere in the middle.   I can't watch the video, but masks are NOT a simple question/topic.  I normally use an 3M N95 in the shop, and full face, rubber sealed with higher performance cartridges for toxic tasks, but most of all, did a lot of research on request of one of my good friends who owns hospitals and medical supply network.  There are home-made masks, there are consumer masks, there are medical masks and there are counterfeit masks (a LOT of the latter).  Masks that really have to fit have silicone rubber seals and must be fit tested to the user.  They are the only ones that actually provide the rated protection of their filtration medium.   Lesser masks leak like a seive...a very large seive.  The "benchmark" N95 standard is based upon a NIOSH standard and test in USA, and means that the filtration medium of such a mask will block 95% of particles 0.3 microns or larger.  The Wuhan Virus particle is much smaller than that, but we count on it being airborne in a water droplet that just about any mask will catch.

So: what's the bottom line?   Even the best of disposable masks or cloth masks leak a great deal.  Yes, they WILL catch a projecting water droplet effectively, but unless they are washed after a very short period of use, you now risk said water evaporating and leaving a virus particle far smaller than ANY mask you can easily buy is going to stop.  Most people don't do that, they simply put the mask aside until next use.   The re-breathing suggestion is valid for many masks as they are not all made of the appropriate spun polypropylene filtration medium that NIOSH and medical masks use.  There is an airflow value in the standard used for masks, but the vast majority of what is available are NOT either rated and tested masks or worse yet, legitimate masks using the appropriate labelling.  Those will indeed increase CO2 rebreathing and be very hot and wet.

My worry is that people believe that masks are either the ultimate answer or totally BS and each group will behave accordingly.  Again as Cougar said, the truth lies somewhere in between.   IF you are buying medical grade, rated and tested disposable masks from a reputable manufacturer, you are clean shaven, manage to squeeze the nose bridge fully closed and you throw them away at the end of each short period of use, they are probably pretty good.   Any less is providing a very false sense of security...and IMHO THAT is the big deal.

BTW: mentioning that medical people wear masks with no ill effects is not too encouraging.   The level of alcoholism and other drug abuse as well as sefl-induced stress in that profession is testament to what often amounts to total disregard for their own health.  Of course, being in the sick care business that is mostly a drug pushing mechanism is also not so great.

Edited August 7, 2020 by cannuck

[PIK]

On 7/11/2020 at 9:31 PM, cougar said:

Truth must be somewhere in the middle.   Supposedly we breathe in clean oxygen rich air and breathe out dirty / oxygen depleted air.  If you start putting this poor air again through your lungs and recycle many times, this can't be good for you.

But then, this is the same as sitting in an unventilated room after a smoker has had a dozen cigarettes in the room; or sleeping with the blanket over your head (and maybe passing gas). ;-)

Masks create moisture around your face which can't be good either.  I wear glasses and masks cause the lenses to fog up; a losing cause for me.

 

 

Wipe your glasses with a good shaving cream. Works for awhile.

[dialamah]

@cannuck  Didn't want to quote your whole post to say I thought it was a really good explanation of masks.  But I still give mask-wearing a higher grade than you apparently do, due to the known effect it has on reducing spread.  We even have an example in Richmond, BC.  While cases were spiking in BC, rates in Richmond remained at half the rate in Vancouver, and one-third the rate of the rest of Canada.

"There were early fears that Richmond – the most ethnically Chinese city in the world outside Asia – could have been a potential hotspot for the disease because of a large population of frequent travellers to and from China. The city is also home to Vancouver International Airport.

But Richmond residents were also early to take Covid-19 seriously and adopted social distancing measures long before being advised by authorities to do so.

By late January, many residents were wearing face masks and many of Richmond’s Chinese shopping malls and restaurants were largely deserted, which even prompted a short-lived government campaign encouraging people to return. Some Lunar New Year events were cancelled and by February 11, Richmond’s Lingyen Mountain Buddhist Temple had closed its doors, citing coronavirus concerns."

 

There's also the story, out of Missouri I think, where two hairdressers, with symptoms, continued working while they waited for their (positive) test results.  They, and their clients, wore masks and not one of their 139 clients subsequently tested positive.  

 

And of course, there are numerous studies that back up these anecdotal examples.  Nobody claims that masks are the perfect solution, or that they replace other things like space and hand washing - they're an extra tool.  Objecting to masks because people may not use them perfectly every time is like objecting to hand washing because people may not always take the full 20 seconds, or objecting to social distancing because sometimes people might be 1.5 meters apart instead of 2.  Humans aren't perfect, but information/education help. 

 

Also, I don't see any relationship between substance abuse and mask wearing among medical professionals.  An impaired person using PPE is still safer than an impaired person without PPE.

 

[Shady]

On 7/10/2020 at 8:46 AM, dialamah said:

Mysteriously, medical professionals have used masks for hours at a time and suffered no ill effects.  This has been going on for decades.  Your film is is a lie. 

Perhaps medical grade masks are different than most of the masks the public wears.

[dialamah]

46 minutes ago, Shady said:

Perhaps medical grade masks are different than most of the masks the public wears.

The more effective a mask is, the more difficult it is to breathe through.  The best mask for stopping viruses, the N-95, reduces oxygen levels by up to 20%.  

 

[eyeball]

On 8/7/2020 at 7:28 AM, dialamah said:

Also, I don't see any relationship between substance abuse and mask wearing among medical professionals.  An impaired person using PPE is still safer than an impaired person without PPE.

The relationship between health care workers, substance abuse and pushing Big Pharma's products struck me as being typically conspiratorial. My apologies to cannuck but it just reduces the value in too much of the discourse around COVID issues.

My own view on masks like most precautions are that none are 100% foolproof but they contribute their share towards achieving as big a percentage overall as possible.  Avoiding deluded nonsensical thinking certainly counts too.

Next to the public debt/death cult I honestly think it could prove to be the biggest contributor to COVID's spread.

Edited August 8, 2020 by eyeball

[WestCanMan]

On 8/6/2020 at 5:17 PM, cannuck said:

the truth is somewhere in the middle....

 

So: what's the bottom line?   Even the best of disposable masks or cloth masks leak a great deal. 

I used to wear the cartridges too, I still have the masks, and I still have half-a dozen N95 cloth masks here too. I don't think they last forever though, mine are probably expired.

I've worn masks for long days doing reno work and I've never felt faint, but It always does feel great to take it off and get a few breaths of fresh air.

The main difference between wearing them at work or wearing them for covid is that when you're doing it for the actual health benefits, you tough it out. When you're doing it to contribute to C19 fear-mongering it's not. The time when masks needed to worn came and went in February. Now we know that Covid isn't a real threat to 99% of the population. 

Worldometer says that we have 6,000 covid cases in the whole country now. I won't be wearing a mask anytime soon.

[dialamah]

I was at the dentist today to have my teeth cleaned.  The hygienist wore a mask and a face shield; I asked her if she found the mask uncomfortable and she said - yes, especially  in hot weather.  I asked if she ever felt faint or lightheaded, and she laughed and said no.  The dentist showed up in a face shield and, beneath that, a respirator mask - he told me it was an N100.  I asked him if it was comfortable, and he said - with emphasis - not at all, but necessary.  I asked if he ever felt light headed/faint, and said no and kind of rolled his eyes. 

So, anecdotal - but certainly in line with experts. Or maybe they are part of the 'grand conspiracy', lied to me and are regularly passing out while working.  What makes the most sense here?   

[OftenWrong]

On 7/11/2020 at 10:32 PM, eyeball said:

Said the most highly trained medical expert in the land. 

I know. Someone had to say it though, and it gave everyone a good chuckle.

[OftenWrong]

On 8/6/2020 at 8:17 PM, cannuck said:

So: what's the bottom line?

The bottom line is what I have said all here along. Leaky masks are not enough protection when you are in the high risk scenario.

What is the high risk scenario.
- Enclosed environment (indoors) *
- Someone has the virus
- Near contact
- Longer than several minutes (experts say 15)
Only a good quality N95 properly fitted will protect you in this scenario. That's why I said these coverings, shawls, homemade, plastic visors are useless and give people a false sense of security.

It is because the vapour from our breath that remains in the air in suspension. It's in the hot breath coming out of the mask. Indoors the air is confined and we breathe more of each others breath.

 

*Also what I have said all along. When shutdown began, "Even your Grandma knows to go outdoors"...
But you people are not listening.

 

 

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On 7/10/2020 at 7:22 AM, OftenWrong said:

The masks are bullshit.

 

[cannuck]

On 8/7/2020 at 12:11 PM, dialamah said:

The more effective a mask is, the more difficult it is to breathe through.  The best mask for stopping viruses, the N-95, reduces oxygen levels by up to 20%.  

 

As I said: competently manufactured masks have to meet an airflow value.  They use a specific material that is NOT found in knockoffs or DIYs.

You missed the point of my comment about medicos:  they will do their job often with little regard to their personal safety.  Not true of all, but sadly out of proportion and out of character with their profession.

[eyeball]

On 7/10/2020 at 4:22 AM, OftenWrong said:

The masks are bullshit.

I understand they're coming out with an N100 diaper for people who preach that.

It's all about containment. 

 

[OftenWrong]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I understand they're coming out with an N100 diaper for people who preach that.

It's all about containment. 

 

Good enough, just keep wearing it then. But don't get close to strangers for too long with your ordinary mask. You can still get the virus.

In your case I suggest more like the N1000 diaper.

[eyeball]

38 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Good enough, just keep wearing it then.

Yup, there you go again right on cue, not listening to what anyone else is saying while complaining no one ever listens to you. 

You just can't help yourself can you?

[-TSS-]

I bought a package of masks today. I think the masks are bollocks but if they will become compulsory for going into shops at least I'll have them. Wearing masks outdoors in the open air is just silly. In some countries even that is compulsory.

[Thinkinoutsidethebox]

Good god people... 

It's amazing how something as small as requiring a mask in certain circumstances can be so divisive and complex isn't it? How about it is recommended/required simply for our own good based on the information supplied to these people? 

Some work sites require hardhats, long sleeves and steel toed shoes, seatbelts are required in automobiles and aircraft, helmets are required on motorbikes etc. Personally I've never seen endless threads debating the merits and "science" of these requirements. 

The argument is simply to retard the movement of the virus and let it drop below a level it can be breathed in as far as I see it, it's not rocket science... Wear whatever suits your comfort level, it's only for a short period of time in most circumstances. 

This reminds me, I should throw a couple handkerchiefs in my truck in case an establishment I enter requires a mask. 

PS, personally I'd feel bad if I did nothing to inhibit the transmission of this disease and someone I was in contact with died from it. I'm not going overboard but I'll do what I can when I think of it.