Why White People Should Be Proud Of Their Anti-Slavery Legacy

[WestCanMan]

The new narrative going around the world today is that whites are the slaver drivers of the human race and blacks are the sole victims.

A lot of us have known for a long time that's just divisive bullshit, but Ezra Levant has some info that I wasn't aware of.

https://www.rebelnews.com/canadas_history_of_racism_british_history_of_slavery_breaks_the_blm_narrative?fbclid=IwAR33_2IQhhIt0aN7xL2pzJGpB-JRbRFZk0UHZd4dZ0SLchO9Pdsc6aIh67Y

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[Michael Hardner]

A famous quote about journalism " it is the duty of a newspaper to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable". "

From The Rebel

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Never, never, never let them tell you that Canada is racist. In fact, we’re one of the few countries in the world that isn’t.

From MacLeans, a real magazine - https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/out-of-sight-out-of-mind-2/

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Consider the accompanying table. By almost every measurable indicator, the Aboriginal population in Canada is treated worse and lives with more hardship than the African-American population. All these facts tell us one thing: Canada has a race problem, too.

There are a lot of people who don't like to get information that upsets them.   Then there are others that want to face reality and deal with problems.   Fake conservatives fall into the former group, real conservatives in the latter.

[DogOnPorch]

Here in BC, they didn't want to have to explain how the black governor was racist to the Chilcotin tribes when he had the instigators arrested and tried for the Fraser Canyon War...so they blamed Judge Matthew Begbie instead...who only announced the mandatory sentence. He didn't preside over the actual trial...lol.

He was much more PC to blame...

 

Edited June 24, 2020 by DogOnPorch

[Shady]

50 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

A famous quote about journalism " it is the duty of a newspaper to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable". "

From The Rebel

From MacLeans, a real magazine - https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/out-of-sight-out-of-mind-2/

There are a lot of people who don't like to get information that upsets them.   Then there are others that want to face reality and deal with problems.   Fake conservatives fall into the former group, real conservatives in the latter.

You continue to ignore reality on a wide variety of topics.  My irony metre just blew up.  

[Moonlight Graham]

58 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

A famous quote about journalism " it is the duty of a newspaper to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable". "

From The Rebel

From MacLeans, a real magazine - https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/out-of-sight-out-of-mind-2/

There are a lot of people who don't like to get information that upsets them.   Then there are others that want to face reality and deal with problems.   Fake conservatives fall into the former group, real conservatives in the latter.

The fact that a group, like aboriginals, is very impoverished isn't in itself evidence they're being treated with racial bias.  But they are and have been treated with racial bias obviously.

Every country has racism and discrimination.  Canada does to, but we're also one of the least racist and discriminatory.  ie: I have gay friends and as couples they can't even vacation in most countries in the world out of fear.  Even many in the Caribbean.

[Michael Hardner]

25 minutes ago, Shady said:

You continue to ignore reality on a wide variety of topics.  My irony metre just blew up.  

So MacLeans magazine is just wrong then ?

[Michael Hardner]

13 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The fact that a group, like aboriginals, is very impoverished isn't in itself evidence they're being treated with racial bias.  But they are and have been treated with racial bias obviously.

I concur with this part.  I get what you are saying with the rest but the article has some numbers to support the thesis also.

[Michael Hardner]

16 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

  Canada does to, but we're also one of the least racist and discriminatory.  

And I can't deny that on a certain level you are right.  But on another level, wrong.

[Michael Hardner]

  In fact, we’re one of the few countries in the world that isn’t.

[Argus]

11 hours ago, Shady said:

You continue to ignore reality on a wide variety of topics.  My irony metre just blew up.  

If you watch Thomas Sowell, he explains the view of leftists fairly clearly. Actually Coleman Hughes does it, as well. Basically, to the Left, disparate outcomes between groups are proof of discrimination. If group A makes more money, finishes high school more often, goes to college more, and is arrested less than Group B, then there is obvious bigotry/racism against group B. but that rarely explains the discrepancy. The real issue is culture. As Hughes puts it fairly plainly, if you're a young black person in school today and work too hard you get mocked and ridiculed by other black kids saying you're trying to act white. There's little respect for education in the American black community as a whole. In the Asian community it's completely different. There academic performance is admired at all levels, and parents push their kids to do better and help them with homework. In addition, Hughes mentions a few other statistics, like that black women are more likely to own a luxury vehicle than white women. Given the economic disparity that shouldn't be the case. But black culture is all about 'flexing', about showing off. So they tend to own jewelry they can show off, and cars and other objects, rather than saving money, say, for a house. Plus of course, the culture of admiration for the gangsta rap types, for the flashy criminals, for being 'tough'. Which leads to a lot of fighting and crime.

Progressives rarely make the case that there's pro-Asian racism, or that racism is why Asians do so well compared to blacks. They try to ignore it entirely, and compare blacks to whites instead. But even comparing blacks to blacks, as Sowell did in a study years ago, showed the black kids who were born in the US and grew up in immigrant households did 58% better in terms of economic performance than their black peers. They graduated high school more, went to college more, and got into trouble with the law much less. Because they were raised by parents who had conservative values and showed them discipline. If there were "systemic racism" against Blacks it would have affected them as much as it did any other black kids. But there was no sign of it.

[Argus]

11 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The fact that a group, like aboriginals, is very impoverished isn't in itself evidence they're being treated with racial bias.  But they are and have been treated with racial bias obviously.

Most bias today comes not from a sense of 'white supremacy' as it might have a century ago. It's not like people feel natives or blacks or whatever are racially inferior. Most prejudice today is based on the perceptions of the behaviour of the group involved. Native crime is very high. It's not a coincidence that the highest crime areas of Canada are all where natives have the highest populations. Which pretty much accounts for any racial bias today.

As for the actual poverty. Yeah, well, that's what happens when you live in a tiny, isolated town which has no economic reason for its existence. Reserves were established because no one on either side could even imagine natives living together with Europeans. One of the first leaders who did was Sir John A MacDonald, who is now ironically considered to be a hater of natives. He wanted to educate and 'civilize' natives so they could live together with whites. The Liberals thought he was nuts because they felt natives were just savages who belonged out in the brush. But I digress.

It's not the nineteenth century any more. And yet the Indian Act is still there because no one has the courage to get involved in the flaming shitipile which would erupt if anyone tried to amend or do away with it. Getting the agreement from 600 'first nations', whose chiefs pretty much all have it pretty good under the current system, would be impossible. The only things they want from Ottawa are more money and less oversight.

[Shady]

32 minutes ago, Argus said:

If you watch Thomas Sowell, he explains the view of leftists fairly clearly. Actually Coleman Hughes does it, as well. Basically, to the Left, disparate outcomes between groups are proof of discrimination. If group A makes more money, finishes high school more often, goes to college more, and is arrested less than Group B, then there is obvious bigotry/racism against group B. but that rarely explains the discrepancy. The real issue is culture. As Hughes puts it fairly plainly, if you're a young black person in school today and work too hard you get mocked and ridiculed by other black kids saying you're trying to act white. There's little respect for education in the American black community as a whole. In the Asian community it's completely different. There academic performance is admired at all levels, and parents push their kids to do better and help them with homework. In addition, Hughes mentions a few other statistics, like that black women are more likely to own a luxury vehicle than white women. Given the economic disparity that shouldn't be the case. But black culture is all about 'flexing', about showing off. So they tend to own jewelry they can show off, and cars and other objects, rather than saving money, say, for a house. Plus of course, the culture of admiration for the gangsta rap types, for the flashy criminals, for being 'tough'. Which leads to a lot of fighting and crime.

Progressives rarely make the case that there's pro-Asian racism, or that racism is why Asians do so well compared to blacks. They try to ignore it entirely, and compare blacks to whites instead. But even comparing blacks to blacks, as Sowell did in a study years ago, showed the black kids who were born in the US and grew up in immigrant households did 58% better in terms of economic performance than their black peers. They graduated high school more, went to college more, and got into trouble with the law much less. Because they were raised by parents who had conservative values and showed them discipline. If there were "systemic racism" against Blacks it would have affected them as much as it did any other black kids. But there was no sign of it.

Very true.  It's sad that in black culture, getting educated and being successful is deemed being white.  It's the same with political affiliation.  A white person has the privilege of being liberal, conservative, libertarian, republican, democrat, independent, etc.  But a black person can only have one political view and can only belong to one political party.  Otherwise they're castigated as a sell out, uncle tom, etc, by other black people.  It really is a social disease that needs to stop.  Groups would be better served protesting and trying to change that behavior.  It would have a far greater impact on black lives than anything the police do.  And you're also right.  It's funny how so-called systemic racism somehow knows to avoid Asians and East Indians.  Apparently it allows them to be successful and not have the same problems a black individual has.  Weird.

[Shady]

11 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

And I can't deny that on a certain level you are right.

That probably disappoints you.  You should really look into racism in other parts of the world.  It's off the charts.

[Michael Hardner]

18 minutes ago, Shady said:

1. That probably disappoints you. 
2. You should really look into racism in other parts of the world.  It's off the charts.

1. You seem consumed with putting opinions on me.  Why don't we just agree to discuss what I write on here.  That should be enough for you, as I don't always get responses.
2. So what ?  If the USA jumped off the racist empire state building would you too ?  BC_2000 has taught me to mind my own business more.  

[WestCanMan]

14 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

A famous quote about journalism " it is the duty of a newspaper to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable". "

From The Rebel

From MacLeans, a real magazine - https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/out-of-sight-out-of-mind-2/

There are a lot of people who don't like to get information that upsets them.   Then there are others that want to face reality and deal with problems.   Fake conservatives fall into the former group, real conservatives in the latter.

The problem on the reserves is that kids know that they never have to get a job to survive. They can get enough handouts to last them 'til they're 85.They don't need an education, they don't need a job.

Bred kids get into alcohol, drugs, and trouble.

Give any kid of any race, culture or creed nothing but free time and tell them they never have to ork and they'll be a gong show.

[WestCanMan]

14 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

 Fake conservatives fall into the former group, real conservatives in the latter.

What kind of an idiotic, bigoted statement is this?

Leftists are the most bigoted group out of any race or culture on the planet. Stupid crap like this bounces around in leftist echo chambers unchecked all the time.

And what does any of your post have to do with slavery?

Do you think that natives do all the work in this country while white people sit at home? Your post isn't just stupid it's 100% off-topic.

[WestCanMan]

13 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

So MacLeans magazine is just wrong then ?

They're wrong in that they're definitely not treated worse.

African Americans would love free medical, free dental, treaty money, free university, half of the land in every state, almost all of the waterfront property, etc.

[WestCanMan]

This thread is about slavery.

White people spent as much time slaving as anyone. When white culture dominated the world, they abolished slavery. It's simple.

The fake narrative of 'whites being the earth's slave owners' is just false and 100% misleading.

If we had a 'slavery is abolished' gala whitey would be getting all the major awards. 

[Argus]

[Rue]

15 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The new narrative going around the world today is that whites are the slaver drivers of the human race and blacks are the sole victims.

A lot of us have known for a long time that's just divisive bullshit, but Ezra Levant has some info that I wasn't aware of.

https://www.rebelnews.com/canadas_history_of_racism_british_history_of_slavery_breaks_the_blm_narrative?fbclid=IwAR33_2IQhhIt0aN7xL2pzJGpB-JRbRFZk0UHZd4dZ0SLchO9Pdsc6aIh67Y

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Your thread appears from content and title to advance the premises that all "white" people have been unfairly accused of slavery and because of that  so damaged they now  need to cherry pick selective passages from history to heal their trauma. I would argue that premises is problematic because :

1-the need to feel "pride" does not make a deed good, the merit of the deed itself will;

2- further to 1 the emotion of humility might help the transmitter of a deed define its merit because  it focuses on the impact on others of the deed; inversely pride  might not,  because it is an expression of ego  that misdirects the  focus of awareness of the merit of tye deed  back to the feelings of the transmitter  and not the impact of the deed on others;

3-further to 1 and 2 the merit of a deed can be objectively measured in the amount of postive or negative actions it generates in others but inversely the feelings of the transmitter of the eed  might not be accurate because humans often feel bad when they do something right and might also  feel good when they do something wrong ;

3- the assumption that all whites have been traumatized from learning the origins of slavery and therefore need to repair damaged self esteem through selective analysus of history  s illogical in that it sssumesc all whites were traumatized  to the same relevant degree to infer  they now all need to engage in this selective analysis of history;

4- using a colour to define a group is  so subjective construct  and general in context as to defy a clear basis of common characteristics to provide a base point from which to extrapolate any common patterns of behaviour in its alleged category.

My take is that you are reacting to what you see is unfair characterization of whites by blacks triggered by the Floyd shooting.

So  I have to ask what injustices as a "white" person have caused you so much damage you need to draw solace from white  people who were against slavery?  What the phack does that mean? Since when did you need to feel good about yourself for  being white?

By thec way your reference to Ezra L has nothing to do with the pemises you advance. Please show me his words where he suggested white pride needed and we should selectively analyze history to incite it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 24, 2020 by Rue

[Infidel Dog]

2 hours ago, Rue said:

Your thread appears from content and title to advance the premises that all "white" people have been unfairly accused of slavery and because of that  so damaged they now  need to cherry pick selective passages from history to heal their trauma. I would argue that premises is problematic because :

If that were true it might be worth reading the rest, but it's not.

The OP clearly states its premise:

"The new narrative going around the world today is that whites are the slaver drivers of the human race and blacks are the sole victims.

A lot of us have known for a long time that's just divisive bullshit"

He's not arguing fairness. He's arguing truth. He's specifically telling you that the claim whites are the specific drivers of an ideology which created and perpetuated slavery against specifically blacks is bullshit.

That has nothing to do with pride. It has to do with fact. If you have an argument against that factual statement present it. There are specific arguments that show you to be incorrect. They are, as you say, "selective" only in that they will specifically counter any argument you might make to further what the OP calls "divisive bullshit."

Edited June 24, 2020 by Infidel Dog

[DogOnPorch]

Slave comes from Slav

They're quite white...

The Vikings thought them perfect for the Slave Trade with the Arabs...

I have seen the Rus as they came on their merchant journeys and encamped by the Itil. I have never seen more perfect physical specimens, tall as date palms, blond and ruddy; they wear neither tunics nor kaftans, but the men wear a garment which covers one side of the body and leaves a hand free. Each man has an axe, a sword, and a knife, and keeps each by him at all times. Each woman wears on either breast a box of iron, silver, copper, or gold; the value of the box indicates the wealth of the husband. Each box has a ring from which depends a knife. The women wear neck-rings of gold and silver. Their most prized ornaments are green glass beads. They string them as necklaces for their women.

Ibn Fadlan, on the Rus merchants at Itil, 922.

Edited June 24, 2020 by DogOnPorch

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, Rue said:

Your thread appears from content and title to advance the premises that all "white" people have been unfairly accused of slavery and because of that  so damaged they now  need to cherry pick selective passages from history to heal their trauma. I would argue that premises is problematic because :

1-the need to feel "pride" does not make a deed good, the merit of the deed itself will;

OK Gandhi lol.

White people shouldn't feel shame re: slavery. The human race should feel shame. 

If any one "race" or "culture" gets to take credit for abolishing slavery it's "whitey". More specifically USA and Britain. 

That's not a "selective passage of history", that's the seminal moment in the history of slavery. In the overall story of history there was basically pre-Britannia, and post Britannia.  

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2- further to 1 the emotion of humility might help the transmitter of a deed define its merit because  it focuses on the impact on others of the deed; inversely pride  might not,  because it is an expression of ego  that misdirects the  focus of awareness of the merit of tye deed  back to the feelings of the transmitter  and not the impact of the deed on others;

No humility required. No pride is actually required. 

Black people, muslims and white apologists just need to stop lying about the topic of slavery. That would be awesome.

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3-further to 1 and 2 the merit of a deed can be objectively measured in the amount of postive or negative actions it generates in others but inversely the feelings of the transmitter of the eed  might not be accurate because humans often feel bad when they do something right and might also  feel good when they do something wrong ;

I don't really care about people's feelings on this issue. I care about people covering the topic with accuracy and fairness. The feelings will sort themselves out.

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3- the assumption that all whites have been traumatized from learning the origins of slavery and therefore need to repair damaged self esteem through selective analysus of history  s illogical in that it sssumesc all whites were traumatized  to the same relevant degree to infer  they now all need to engage in this selective analysis of history;

 

I think you're way too concerned about feelings. I'm more concerned with the facts than people's feelings.

Sure, I said that white people should feel more pride than shame with regards to the history of slavery, but that's just as a function of acknowledging the basic, simple truth of the matter.

If you put a bird in a cage, sell it to me, and I set it free I shouldn't be the one left holding the 'bag of guilt'. My conscience is clear. IDGAF what people say to me because I can put them in their place. I just don't like peope broadcasting their bullshit and lies to the universe.

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4- using a colour to define a group is  so subjective construct  and general in context as to defy a clear basis of common characteristics to provide a base point from which to extrapolate any common patterns of behaviour in its alleged category.

Dividing people up into races is a Dem/Lib phenomenon. My contribution to the whole topic of race in general is reactionary. Topics run amok, started by other people for their various agendas, and when something is egregious is making the rounds I chime in. 

I've talked about this topic years ago when my stepdaughter wrote an essay about "The Slaves" in Gr 8. It started off with: 

Who were the slaves?

The slaves were African people, brought to America to be the property of white people..."

Obviously that's an incredibly truncated version of the slavery topic, but it's the one that 90% of people in North America believe. 

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My take is that you are reacting to what you see is unfair characterization of whites by blacks triggered by the Floyd shooting.

Two separate topics actually. 

I'm a big compartmentalizer. That's why this is it's own topic, and not an addition to the other thread.

This is the topic of slavery, that's the topic of "police racism is always to blame whenever there's a violent confrontation with a black person". 

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So  I have to ask what injustices as a "white" person have caused you so much damage you need to draw solace from white  people who were against slavery?  What the phack does that mean? Since when did you need to feel good about yourself for  being white?

It's an injustice for me to be called a slaver by virtue of my tainted DNA, just like it's an injustice to Jews when people say that "Jews are evil because of what happens in Israel, and Israel is the worst human rights abuser on the planet" while those same people will say that Pakistan is 100% legit and that they're a fine upstanding member of the global community. 

No solace required, just some truth.

I'm starting to think you carry a blankie around. You're heavily involved in the topic of emotions, and not very interested in the topic of facts. 

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By thec way your reference to Ezra L has nothing to do with the pemises you advance. Please show me his words where he suggested white pride needed and we should selectively analyze history to incite it.

Careful with the use of the words white and pride next to each other. That's an entire topic (accusation) of it's own.

I don't recall if Ezra ever said that white people or British people should feel 'proud'. IIRC his words were to the effect that the truth about slavery destroys the false narrative that's out there.

It was my own suggestion that if white people, as a race, need to feel any one overriding emotion towards the topic of slavery, it should be pride. We got that one right. 

The topic is behind us, so we shouldn't have any old axes to grind. In the end when white people had the power to make their own choices they rose above the enslavement of others who were under their thumb. No other group can claim that. 

So when the topic comes up about "who should feel guilty for their tribe's slaving history" white people don't have to raise their hands as high as other people. Maybe it's just an inch lower, but that's that. 

[WestCanMan]

8 hours ago, Argus said:

Is that really true?

I hear so much stuff about "there are more slaves now than ever before in the history of the earth" and "there are slaves in North America and Britain as we speak" but I don't know anyone who even has any anecdotal knowledge of slaves anywhere.

You think there'd be some clown of FB or Twitter saying "I think there are some slaves at ___________" but I never hear anything. I never hear of slavers getting busted. 

I remember hearing that Obama separated some children from their 'families' at the border, and then after the kids were released back into the custody of those people it was found out that the handlers were coyotes [human traffickers] smuggling them in, but that's it.

Where are all these 'slaves'? Do you have a news story from some credible source about actual slaves?

Edited June 25, 2020 by WestCanMan

[Argus]

11 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Is that really true?

If Sowell says it's true it's true.

 

11 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Where are all these 'slaves'? Do you have a news story from some credible source about actual slaves?

As far as modern day slavery goes you can google that as well as I can.