Wet Got Bigger Problems Than George Floyd

[Boges]

35 minutes ago, Shady said:

Complete nonsense.  White supremacy barely has a noticeable mark in society anymore.  Regardless, these same problems exist in every part of the world.  It’s just that nobody cares.  No one shines a light on say Asian privilege in Asian countries.  Or middle eastern privilege in Middle East countries.  Only western countries are focused on.  I guess more is expected from us.

Excellent example of Whataboutism and Kicking and Screaming. Hey those countries can be racist!!! 

[WestCanMan]

26 minutes ago, Boges said:

It's actually "Taking The L". Bot school didn't teach you that level of nuance. Or the concept of Thread drift. 

Thread drift, like when you wrongfully accused Trump of "not caring about people in shithole cities"?

You started the OT discussion, I just explained some things to you that you clearly didn't understand.

[OftenWrong]

47 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I'm pretty sure you're motivated in the same manner as Ayn Rand or Barbara Amiel - a deep fawning adoration for all things right-wing and conservative.

You prove my point, precisely. Carry on deluding yourself... life will be easier that way for you.

[Infidel Dog]

7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

If you say so. 

"Blue lives matter" should be shelved, then, and we should pay attention to the problem of roofers dying on the job.  Please attend the latest funeral of a dead cop with your clip board and slide rule and explain to the grieving widow that she is stupid.  Of course I'm being hyperbolic and emotional, but that' because I'm a snowflake...

I definitely say so. The idea race riots are acceptable (even recommended) because of an imagined persecution of blacks is idiotic. Facts reveal it to be a blatant fabrication. It's something so dumb only progressive socialists could come up with it. It's born out of their belief that everybody else is so dumb they'll believe anything they tell them. And there are enough gullibles in the world, or unfortunates desperate to have their misfortunes excused by a fairy-tale of their special persecution, that the lie succeeds from time to time.

And what that has to do with Blue Lives Matter I haven't a clue. The cop who was killed last night was the victim of the  lie not support for it. Suggesting anything else isn't hyperbole. It's another lie.

Edited June 3, 2020 by Infidel Dog

[Boges]

58 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Thread drift, like when you wrongfully accused Trump of "not caring about people in shithole cities"?

You started the OT discussion, I just explained some things to you that you clearly didn't understand.

Directly related to the idea that people on the right actually give two shits about the property of poor people in the inner city. They'll never vote for them. 

[Boges]

4 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

I definitely say so. The idea race riots are acceptable (even recommended) because of an imagined persecution of blacks is idiotic. Facts reveal it to be a blatant fabrication. It's something so dumb only progressive socialists could come up with it. It's born out of their belief that everybody else is so dumb they'll believe anything they tell them. And there are enough gullibles in the world, or unfortunates desperate to have their misfortunes excused by a fairy-tale of their special persecution, that the lie succeeds from time to time.

And what that has to do with Blue Lives Matter I haven't a clue. The cop who was killed last night was the victim of the  lie not support for it.

The more people who think like this. The more these protests will keep happening. 

It was pointed out to me that when Trayvon Martin got killed or when Eric Garner got killed or when Micheal Brown got killed, you didn't see organizations en masse release statements decrying violence against POC. 

The times, they are a changin' 

[Infidel Dog]

6 minutes ago, Boges said:

Directly related to the idea that people on the right actually give two shits about the property of poor people in the inner city. They'll never vote for them. 

Surely you're not suggesting that the property rights of people in the districts that were burned to the ground during last week's race riots were better cared for by the Progressive Socialists they did vote for. 

Feel free to use New York as an example to make your point.

[Infidel Dog]

21 minutes ago, Boges said:

The more people who think like this. The more these protests will keep happening. 

It was pointed out to me that when Trayvon Martin got killed or when Eric Garner got killed or when Micheal Brown got killed, you didn't see organizations en masse release statements decrying violence against POC. 

The times, they are a changin' 

My God, I can't believe you want to bring up the race-baited cases of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown. Trayvon Martin was a young thug who attacked a neighborhood watch, latino guy, beat on him and tried to grab his gun. Michael Brown was not a "gentle giant" with his hands up crying "Please, don't shoot." He was a large, violent criminal who had just used intimidation to steal from a grocery clerk. He rushed a police vehicle to try to get the cop's gun. At the trial a black witness said he would have shot sooner.

Eric Garner is the closest to Floyd. He was a large guy with pre-existing conditions who was the victim of an over-reaction by police officers while being arrested for a possible misdemeanor. That one really should never have happened. The cops were hassling street people selling single cigarettes under orders from the Socialist mayor because he thought he was being gypped out of cigarette tax money. Is Deblasio a racist then?

The real problem is more people don't know these basic facts.

Edited June 3, 2020 by Infidel Dog

[Michael Hardner]

42 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

1. It's something so dumb only progressive socialists could come up with it.  

2. And what that has to do with Blue Lives Matter I haven't a clue. 

1. You must not be reading my posts.  Playing on emotion is something the Democrats aren't very good at, compared to FOX.  I have said that.  Do you think 'dumb progressive socialists' have a monopoly on emotional responses ?   

2.  Maybe because you LIKE some emotionality in public discourse ?  Do you think Blue Lives Matter is a stupid movement ?

[New World Disorder]

8 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

There are certain jobs that naturally attract sociopathic, or even psychopathic individuals. They seek positions where they have power over others. You might see a higher percentage of such people in police, security, and also in administration.

HOWEVER,

In regards to police, anyone resisting is essentially putting a gun to their own head. These people have to deal with the worst of human scum every day, on a moments notice if necessary, while the rest of us can run away. If a cop tells you to do something, you'd best do it and say, "Yes, sir." He's not going to wait around and try to figure out if you're really a criminal, or just having a bad day.

Even if you don't resist and comply, you STILL will get the crap beat out of you. There is so much evidence to back that up.

[Infidel Dog]

You are confused @Michael Hardner. I'm the one posting facts. If you have some I'd love to see them.

So far the sense I'm getting is you don't want to consider facts because they interfere with the feels. 

Edited June 3, 2020 by Infidel Dog

[New World Disorder]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Do you think Blue Lives Matter is a stupid movement ?

Yes.  They sign up to protect and serve.  But maybe we should be asking who are they protecting and serving? It's not the public!

[Boges]

21 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

My God, I can't believe you want to bring up the race-baited cases of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown. Trayvon Martin was a young thug who attacked a neighborhood watch, latino guy, beat on him and tried to grab his gun. Michael Brown was not a "gentle giant" with his hands up crying "Please, don't shoot." He was a large, violent criminal who had just used intimidation to steal from a grocery clerk. He rushed a police vehicle to try to get the cop's gun. At the trial a black witness said he would have shot sooner.

Eric Garner is the closest to Floyd. He was a large guy with pre-existing conditions who was the victim of an over-reaction by police officers while being arrested for a possible misdemeanor. That one really should never have happened. The cops were hassling street people selling single cigarettes under orders from the Socialist mayor because he thought he was being gypped out of cigarette tax money. Is Deblasio a racist then?

The real problem is more people don't know these basic facts.

You can equivocate all you want regarding past incidents.

The point is that the protest that happened then had no where near the traction the Floyd and Taylor protests have had. 

[Infidel Dog]

I don't think Blue Lives Matte

5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1Do you think Blue Lives Matter is a stupid movement ?

No. I think it has no relevance to my point.

[New World Disorder]

Just now, Boges said:

You can equivocate all you want regarding past incidents.

The point is that the protest that happened then had no where near the traction the Floyd and Taylor protests have had. 

The protests have gone global.  It's stunning to see and encouraging.

[Infidel Dog]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

You can equivocate all you want regarding past incidents.

The point is that the protest that happened then had no where near the traction the Floyd and Taylor protests have had. 

Well Michael Brown had the Ferguson riots and Freddie Gray had the Baltimore riots, but if your point is the race riot response has been growing, I agree. The growth of antifa and other far left riot instigators might be a factor. There's also the increasing and now almost fanatical need of the media to hype any identity politics problem in hopes of using it to get Trump.

[Michael Hardner]

13 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

No. I think it has no relevance to my point.

Well, indulge me.  Why not?

[Rue]

1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:

I definitely say so. The idea race riots are acceptable (even recommended) because of an imagined persecution of blacks is idiotic. Facts reveal it to be a blatant fabrication. It's something so dumb only progressive socialists could come up with it. It's born out of their belief that everybody else is so dumb they'll believe anything they tell them. And there are enough gullibles in the world, or unfortunates desperate to have their misfortunes excused by a fairy-tale of their special persecution, that the lie succeeds from time to time.

And what that has to do with Blue Lives Matter I haven't a clue. The cop who was killed last night was the victim of the  lie not support for it. Suggesting anything else isn't hyperbole. It's another lie.

 I first gave you some benefit of the doubt in some of your responses. We are supposed to do that on forums. Most of us try. So now we have it.

You argue the police officer is the victim of a lie.  I think your words speak for themselves. No need to say anything else.

  

Edited June 3, 2020 by Rue

[Rue]

34 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

You are confused @Michael Hardner. I'm the one posting facts. If you have some I'd love to see them.

So far the sense I'm getting is you don't want to consider facts because they interfere with the feels. 

No you have been expressing subjective opinions not facts.

The only fact is you do not know the difference between your own subjective opinions and facts.  You have tried to deflect the incident by blaming protestors, denying  prolonged pressure to a neck could and would kill someone, trying to deflect to denying racism exists. You are so caught up in your need to defend yourself and your denial of racism you are willing to deny basic facts.

 

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[Rue]

Some responses only need pictures.

 

 

 

 

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[Argus]

4 hours ago, Boges said:

Poverty breed more poverty. In white communities too. 

More policing certainly doesn't help the situation. 

Well, if you're talking about Canada virtually all visible minority members are first generation (68.8%) immigrants or their children(27.7%). If they're poor it's not because of systemic racism. It's because we let poor people come here without the necessary skillset, including language ability, to succeed economically.

If you're talking about the US, poverty among Hispanics, who are often illegal immigrants, is generally comparable or worse than that of blacks, but their crime rate, and in particular their rate of violence is far lower.

And how do you not have more policing if they comprise a much greater number of criminals than their numbers would suggest?

Ottawa Police Most Wanted List

NYPD Most Wanted

 

Edited June 3, 2020 by Argus

[Infidel Dog]

23 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Well, indulge me.  Why not?

I'd be happy to if you could explain to me why you think Blue Matters is relevant to something. In fact...relevant to what exactly? It's dificult to offer a reaction to your opinion when I'm not sure what it is. What exactly are you talking about?

[OftenWrong]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. What is your point ?
2. Or 'Blue Lives Matter' as singling out a career path that isn't the most unsafe.
3. Well my response is: Black Lives Matter.

You've stopped making sense to me.

Here you go Einstein, you figure it out:

[Infidel Dog]

24 minutes ago, Rue said:

No you have been expressing subjective opinions not facts. 

The only fact from your posts is the above.

 

You're wrong. I posted 2 lengthy posts of statistics. If you missed them it's because you weren't paying attention not because they weren't there.

[OftenWrong]

43 minutes ago, New World Disorder said:

The protests have gone global.  It's stunning to see and encouraging.

Yes, I see you are very pleased. How many more people were killed?