Wet Got Bigger Problems Than George Floyd

[WestCanMan]

29 minutes ago, Boges said:

Perhaps you should educate yourself with Red-lining and how it created a level of privilege and way for white people to accumulate wealth and banned POC from benefitting from Real Estate and Land ownership. 

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/redlining.asp

For centuries, white people have had a huge head start. 

My parents are immigrants and have worked very hard to achieve what they have. But to ignore that they had an upper hand because of things that preceded them is willful ignorance. 

Nope, but were those murders racial motivated? And where those murders seen as excusable? Poor Micheal Flynn, he was making deals regarding sanctions before Trump even took office and got caught. Apparently, that's illegal. 

Then don't go around saying that Cops treat white people the same. You just ignore the fear POC have when dealing with police.

That was a huge story. Spoke to how poorly some police are at deescalating situations. 

Not when the murders are what caused the riots. 

Ahhh so you're still holding out hope that George Floyd did something to deserved what happened to him. That's very telling. 

The video in question was 9 minutes un-edited. This is actually what bugs me about the Conservative response to all this. They always deserve what happened to them. They must have been completely agreeable to what a cop wanted, if not he deserved to die. HE WAS UNARMED AND CONTROLLED. 

As mentioned in another thread, this is just the inciting incident. Obviously The US has reached the breaking point. IMHO the Breonna Taylor murder is even more troubling. She was in her own home!

Ahhh poor cops with guns got water thrown on them. I guess they should be given a cookie for not resorting to murder. 

Find something there that isn't a lie and I'll deal with it directly. 

Or, if you believe all this, you should probably go kill yourself. 

[Boges]

9 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Find something there that isn't a lie and I'll deal with it directly. 

Or, if you believe all this, you should probably go kill yourself. 

I like to report ad hominem attacks to admin because responding like this is so easy. It doesn't take any intellectual effort. 

So I try not to tell people they're idiots for believing what they do. 

Edited June 1, 2020 by Boges

[Shady]

18 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Find something there that isn't a lie and I'll deal with it directly. 

Or, if you believe all this, you should probably go kill yourself. 

Police and white people are the only groups of people that are allowed to be stereotyped by the actions of a few.  To do so involving any other group would be bigoted.

[Infidel Dog]

6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. I can take this example back to you - why don't people complain that people are shot in their pajamas too often ?  Maybe because it's not perceived as something that happens so often that it's a problem.
2. And yet the same media gets a pass if they play up a single murder from an illegal immigrant ?  

Which racial group should get the luxury of being over sensitive about their people getting murdered, do you think ?

1. Let's not get too clever. You know what I mean. Don't pretend you don't. The woman Minneapolis cop, Mohammed Noor shot in her Pyjamas was white. There was no riot. They're shouldn't have been. They're shouldn't have been in the Floyd case either. Minneapolis police training procedures should get a long, hard look though. This wasn't the first time the neck crusher in the Floyd case got into trouble.

2. The media don't play up or cherry pick illegal immigrant murders for race-baiting the way they do with some white on black incidents. Maybe they should call more attention to these cases where illegal immigrants are repeatedly getting kicked out of the US for criminal activity then returning to eventually kill Americans though.

No racial group or groups should get special treatment from the media, universities, politicians or anybody else is my actual opinion as opposed to the one you're trying to foist on me. 

Edited June 1, 2020 by Infidel Dog

[Infidel Dog]

6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

And the difficulties have nothing to do with racism, of course... am I right ?  They are just ... I don't know finish the sentence ... genetically inferior ?  Unhealthily focussed on their poverty and lack of resources allocated to ....

I don't know... What do you think ?

Do you really care what I think? I doubt it. If you did you wouldn't be prefacing that question with what you want to think, I think.

Just for the Hell of it though, I'll tell you what I actually think. Race in America is a large and complex issue but we're talking about a specific incident. In the Floyd case I have no reason to believe racism was involved. A bad cop appears to be at the center. But evidence of racism is not there at present. It was however race-baited loud and everywhere as a race issue. Why was that, do you think?

[Boges]

53 minutes ago, Shady said:

Police and white people are the only groups of people that are allowed to be stereotyped by the actions of a few.  To do so involving any other group would be bigoted.

Seems that these protestors are being stereotyped by the actions of a few. 

[Infidel Dog]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

Seems that these protestors are being stereotyped by the actions of a few. 

You don't burn a city down with "a few" and by Saturday anybody attending knew what to expect. Almost all condoned the actions by their presence. 

[Boges]

Just now, Infidel Dog said:

You don't burn a city down with "a few" and by Saturday anybody attending knew what to expect. Almost all condoned the actions by their presence. 

Ahhh so protestors have to immediately disassociate themselves with rioters. 

Do cops have to speak out against racist murderers in their ranks to be considered not racist? 

[Infidel Dog]

4 hours ago, Boges said:

This narrative that white people are killed at a higher percentage is a red herring. 

No it's not. It's extremely relevant as a counter to the statistical argument from race-baiters like the Washington Post. They tell us there's nothing to see here when we notice there are more than twice as many whites killed in incidents with police as there are blacks. The statistical rationale to WaPo's argument is there are only about a third as many blacks in America as there are whites.

But now factor in the vastly superior numbers (per capita or any other way you'd like) of black crime and you see the probability a cop will be involved in a confrontation with a black criminal wipes out any statistical discrepancy regarding cop killings by race far past existence.

So there is no reason to believe cops are killing or persecuting blacks more than other races. If you think something should be done about a larger issue good for you but they won't be rioting in the streets over that one.

Edited June 1, 2020 by Infidel Dog

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, Shady said:

Yes they are.  They have websites.  You can donate money to them.  They're more of an organization than the KKK.

Really ?   I'm not going to Google "Donate to ANTIFA" at this point  but it's interesting...

[Infidel Dog]

16 minutes ago, Boges said:

Ahhh so protestors have to immediately disassociate themselves with rioters. 

Do cops have to speak out against racist murderers in their ranks to be considered not racist? 

There were protestors objecting to the activities of antifa, BLM, and the looters. I saw video of one old lady screaming at antifa to stop the vandalism because it might help Trump get re-elected.

It's apples and oranges comparing cops to protestors though. Cops have to be there. Citizens don't have to attend a riot. They can choose not to attend.

[Infidel Dog]

3 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

As I said about two posts up, what would cops do to an old grandmother black lady doing this instead, would they shoot her in the head right away? No. Probably not. I said other stuff earlier that was pretty good too.

Not sure what the point is there, but I think I might agree. It's worth noticing that George Floyd was 6'6", cut, and was resisting arrest. It doesn''t excuse Chauvin's choking knee but it would be a factor in sentencing. Such excess would be less likely in arresting a grandmother - white or black. Not impossible but less likely. I saw an older lady get smacked around by a cop one time. She was white though.

[Infidel Dog]

3 hours ago, Boges said:

The George Floyd killer wasn't even charged with 2nd Degree Murder. 

And if you watch the trial and see the complete video you'll see why. The large, muscular, Floyd was resisting arrest. The white lady Mohammed Noor shot in her pyjamas wasn't.

[Michael Hardner]

51 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

1. Let's not get too clever. You know what I mean. Don't pretend you don't. 
2. They're shouldn't have been in the Floyd case either. Minneapolis police training procedures should get a long, hard look though. This wasn't the first time the neck crusher in the Floyd case got into trouble.
3. The media don't play up or cherry pick illegal immigrant murders for race-baiting...
4. No racial group or groups should get special treatment from the media 
5. Do you really care what I think? I doubt it. If you did you wouldn't be prefacing that question with what you want to think, I think.
6. Just for the Hell of it though, I'll tell you what I actually think. Race in America is a large and complex issue but we're talking about a specific incident. In the Floyd case I have no reason to believe racism was involved.
7. It was however race-baited loud and everywhere as a race issue. Why was that, do you think?

1. You missed the part where I pointed it's about PERCEPTION.  Don't negate history and the fact that people are sensitive about things.
2. So the neck crusher has done this before and not got in trouble ?  And you think there shouldn't have been a riot ?
3. Sorry - what ?  Of course they do.  The president got elected on it.
4. Whites already do.  That's the status quo.  Let's talk about Canada - do you think that white girls would get the same treatment as aboriginal women who disappear ?  
5. Well, I'm talking to you aren't I ?  If you just hate blacks or think they're garbage, well that's fine with me but it will save us a long pretend session won't it ?
6. You can just look at history for a big reason.  
7. Because racists generate anger-tainment, don't you know ?  It's all about the outrage and it works nicely for getting people elected when they want to paint Mexicans as evil rapists and drug dealers.  Then a racist cop kills somebody (I'm not saying that happened THIS time of course) and everyone is like "JEEZ STOP GETTING SO EMOTIONAL AND LOOK AT THE DATA"
 

[OftenWrong]

11 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Not sure what the point is there, but I think I might agree. It's worth noticing that George Floyd was 6'6", cut, and was resisting arrest. It doesn''t excuse Chauvin's choking knee but it would be a factor in sentencing. Such excess would be less likely in arresting a grandmother - white or black. Not impossible but less likely. I saw an older lady get smacked around by a cop one time. She was white though.

The point was to say there is a different profiling going on than just by skin colour alone.

[Infidel Dog]

2 hours ago, New World Disorder said:

Stop n Frisk. NYC is a perfect example of institutionalized racism.

Is it? That's an argument not a statement of fact.

I guess if you wanted to have that debate though I'd start by pointing out the reason more blacked are stopped to be frisked goes back to the stat Progressives don't want us to mention or even know about. Blacks commit a vastly larger percentage of the crime per capita. It might even be by raw numbers. I can't remember.

It's also worth remembering that the reason stop n frisk still remains as a crime prevention policy in New York is it has historically worked.

[Infidel Dog]

37 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

The point was to say there is a different profiling going on than just by skin colour alone.

True. And myself I'd say profiling can have a purpose. If we put ourselves in a cop's shoes we would handle a six foot six muscle man different than a grandmother with a walker. That's exaggerated to show how basic the principle is. I understand that.

Edited June 1, 2020 by Infidel Dog

[Boges]

17 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

And if you watch the trial and see the complete video you'll see why. The large, muscular, Floyd was resisting arrest. The white lady Mohammed Noor shot in her pyjamas wasn't.

See, this is why people riot and protest. 

The black guy always deserved it. He wasn't armed and there were four cops there. He was saying he couldn't breath. 

What did Breonna Taylor do to deserve death. 

[Hal 9000]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

Ahhh so protestors have to immediately disassociate themselves with rioters. 

Do cops have to speak out against racist murderers in their ranks to be considered not racist? 

That's exactly whats expected.

 

[Hal 9000]

The four cops involved in the Floyd killing were white, asian, hispanic and black - go figure.

[Infidel Dog]

12 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. You missed the part where I pointed it's about PERCEPTION.  Don't negate history and the fact that people are sensitive about things.
2. So the neck crusher has done this before and not got in trouble ?  And you think there shouldn't have been a riot ?
3. Sorry - what ?  Of course they do.  The president got elected on it.
4. Whites already do.  That's the status quo.  Let's talk about Canada - do you think that white girls would get the same treatment as aboriginal women who disappear ?  
5. Well, I'm talking to you aren't I ?  If you just hate blacks or think they're garbage, well that's fine with me but it will save us a long pretend session won't it ?
6. You can just look at history for a big reason.  
7. Because racists generate anger-tainment, don't you know ?  It's all about the outrage and it works nicely for getting people elected when they want to paint Mexicans as evil rapists and drug dealers.  Then a racist cop kills somebody (I'm not saying that happened THIS time of course) and everyone is like "JEEZ STOP GETTING SO EMOTIONAL AND LOOK AT THE DATA"
 

1. The only thing special about black history of persecution is the slavery bit might be more recent than what many of our ancestors experienced.  But blacks don't own slave history . Definitely not current occurrence. They don't get a pass on what we witnessed over the weekend, 'cause slavery.'

2. Yes and no. Mohammed Noor had previous problems in the force as well. Neither case required riots. Minneapolis police training policy needs a long look. BTW did you know this is the current police chief:

3. Your supposition is nonsense.

4. See 3

5. No you're talking at me and telling me what you want to think I think. You're not paying attention to what I'm actually telling you I think. All groups should be treated equal and there are current laws meant to insure they are. 

6. If you want to look at history let's consider it all then. Not just the cherry-picked bits that might support a race-baiting agenda. All races can point to bits of persecution. Including current whites.

7. There is currently no reason to believe race played a part in Choker Chauvin's stupidity that day. So there was no reason for the media and others to push it. But they did.

 

 

[Infidel Dog]

18 minutes ago, Boges said:

See, this is why people riot and protest. 

The black guy always deserved it. He wasn't armed and there were four cops there. He was saying he couldn't breath. 

What did Breonna Taylor do to deserve death. 

No that isn't why blacks riot. They riot because the Progressive agenda has been feeding them this pablum of race specialness to excuse any lack of agency in dealing with their problems and heighten any external sleight they feel they endure. And on too many of them that seems to work.

Currently there is no evidence Chauvin's stupidity was race-based and I'll keep saying that until somebody proves me wrong.

[Michael Hardner]

6 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

1. The only thing special about black history of persecution is the slavery bit might be more recent than what many of our ancestors experienced.  But blacks don't own slave history . Definitely not current occurrence. They don't get a pass on what we witnessed over the weekend, 'cause slavery.'

2. Yes and no. Mohammed Noor had previous problems in the force as well. Neither case required riots. Minneapolis police training policy needs a long look. BTW did you know this is the current police chief:

3. Your supposition is nonsense.

4. See 3

5. No you're talking at me and telling me what you want to think I think. You're not paying attention to what I'm actually telling you I think. All groups should be treated equal and there are current laws meant to insure they are. 

6. If you want to look at history let's consider it all then. Not just the cherry-picked bits that might support a race-baiting agenda. All races can point to bits of persecution. Including current whites.

7. There is currently no reason to believe race played a part in Choker Chauvin's stupidity that day. So there was no reason for the media and others to push it. But they did.

 

 

1. Oh, ok.  So it's not THAT that's the problem got it.
3. 4. He used this example to speak against illegal immigration: 

 5. Do you think the existence of laws means that racism has been addressed ? I don't think so.  And I am asking you what YOU think of black people: are they equal to whites or not ?
 6. Do you think "current whites" and "current blacks" are on a level playig field in terms of opportunity ?  So what's wrong ?
 7. Again I tell you: history is more than enough reason to pay close attention.  Whether it's the reason remains to be seen.

[mowich]

6 hours ago, Independent1986 said:

You are insulting minorities and immigrants in my case that succeeded in life through hard work and struggle.

Some of us experienced racism, some of us experienced homelessness to get personal through bad luck and other factors. Thank God I did not meet people like you or some socialist on the other side to keep repeating the big lie that the reason I am not succeeding is because of the system. I was lucky in that aspect and it never once crossed my mind to steal or do something illegal for my benefit. Is funny what happens when you put your mind to being productive. My first job was as a dishwasher in a pizza place now I can walk anytime I want and buy a take out meal without worrying for the cost.

This arrogance comes from people from both the left and right, people that got everything handed to them on a silver plate, never struggled for a dime and they feel so superior lecturing everyone else on what their problems is. It might work for people that are too afraid and they buy your big lie. Many more however will get up today and look for opportunities to become successful. That is the beauty of our western system, it gives opportunity to everyone. Is up to the individual if they want to take it.

Very well stated, Independent. 

[mowich]

1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:

There were protestors objecting to the activities of antifa, BLM, and the looters. I saw video of one old lady screaming at antifa to stop the vandalism because it might help Trump get re-elected.

It's apples and oranges comparing cops to protestors though. Cops have to be there. Citizens don't have to attend a riot. They can choose not to attend.

Right you are, Infidel Dog.  I watched/listened to the Mayor of Seattle yesterday stating quite firmly that there would be a curfew at 5PM and that EVERYONE should go home.  Hours later I am watching as the covidiots still wandering about the streets in large groups in spite of that.  Once you are told to make tracks, it is on you if you are caught up in an ensuing riot.