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35 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

It's these Ghetto ass fools who are making every black person a target.

 

 

Black people sure do enjoy killing each other. A black person living in Chicago probably has a 100% chance of getting murdered by another black. Thousands of blacks murder each other every year all over America but we never see any riots over it. Why is that? I guess that as long as blacks are killing blacks all is good. But yet let some white guy or cop kill a black person and the shit is guaranteed to hit the fan. And where is Al Sharpton or Reverend Jackson on all of those murders, eh? Nowhere to be found. Those two are racists against white people alright. They both appear to be trying to start a race war against white and black people. Hey, we never know, eh? ;)

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19 hours ago, ProudConservative said:

One asshole cop killed a black guy... Thousands of Wanksta's decide to burn down shopping centers. Why Are black people walking into the stereotypical label they need to escape? How does it improve race relations, when you go burn down businesses that have had nothing to do with Floyd's death. Some of them owned by black people? With 1000 people dying a day from Covid, we don't have time for this silly distraction.

 

The death of Floyd was not on the minds of those black thieves at all. Most of those blacks could careless about Floyd being murdered by a white cop. It gave many black thugs an excuse to go cause mayhem and chaos. Breaking into stores and stealing merchandise was not about fighting for justice for blacks or for Floyd. It was a disgusting thing to watch a lot of blacks stealing and totally ignoring as to what the demonstration was all about. And those people want respect?  Ha-ha. ;)

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I guarantee that for many of these rioters, the main idea was "I'm gonna gets me a new TV and a phat pair of kicks".   As I watched the looting of a liquor store I was truly disgusted seeing these guys make off with cases of Bud Light....I mean really, don't these guys know the value of a good scotch? 

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21 hours ago, ProudConservative said:

One asshole cop killed a black guy... Thousands of Wanksta's decide to burn down shopping centers. Why Are black people walking into the stereotypical label they need to escape? How does it improve race relations, when you go burn down businesses that have had nothing to do with Floyd's death. Some of them owned by black people? With 1000 people dying a day from Covid, we don't have time for this silly distraction.

 

It was 4 asshole cops, all had a role to play, they are as guilty as the guy that deliberately killed  Floyd only one cop in the bunch asked him to let up but he did not force the idea did he........ that is telling, how many complaints for excessive force, and others incidents are on this officers file....almost 20, thats telling that this is not a one person thing or one bad cop, this clearly shows there is a problem with the entire force....and it's culture... How many jobs out there give you 20 strikes or more, without any really corrective action that had any effect.........and not just in this city , but across the their country and ours.. And why was an investigation not started immediately, starting with an arrest......why did it take a riot that burned burn the police station and a lot of other buildings in the city....before people in charge took notice.....and decided they should do something before they burn it all down....see they did not give a rats ass about Floyd and that he died at the hands of one of their officers....I mean he the officer already had 20 strikes against him....it took the riot for people to take notice...

I wonder how much this is going to cost not only that city, but all the damage caused by these protests....all because some cops did not or could not take control and force the other officer to act within the law....

Yes there are more than a few that are taking advantage of the situation....but what is going to take to get positive action taken....think this is going to change the cop culture, or cops on power trips....this is already old news and we will be on to something new in a few days....the only ones that will not forget is Floyds relatives and friends...until the next death and next riot....

 

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The chemistry of the riots appeared to be morphing. On saturday it looked to be largely white marxist groups coming in from outside the city and other cities to destroy black neighborhoods. Or at least they appeared to be who was instigating the most carnage. It was like. "Hey we're your friends. Fuck the Po Lees. We're gonna burn this place where you get your groceries." Not sure when that started but that's what it looked like from the sampling of videos I watched on Saturday night.

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Coming to a protest and screaming at United States service members while wearing a British flag (see picture).

 I am just curious to hear this please, maybe I am not too enlightened to understand.

Explain this logic, why is it when a criminal cop does a heinous act we are told there is a problem with the whole police force however when criminal looters burn cities down we are told is racist to point that out and we should shut our mouth ? Or when civilians throw Molotov cocktails at police: https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/05/31/molotov-cocktail-brooklyn-ny/ . All you intellectuals on both sides, is this the society you want to live in ? 

There are bad apples in every group in question, lets judge them case by case and apply consequences, once we cross that line of generalization it is just a never ending circle.

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55 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

What horseshit.  Did you think this was a documentary or something ?

It does not look like a documentary, just individuals that are considered role models in their own community.

They make millions of dollars talking about violence, shootings, drug deals on the back of poor people and young kids that have no direction in life. The kids go to prison or end up in the ground and they get rich. Take a look at what is trending on you tube in the rap music section and rarely you notice a video talking about something positive or constructive. 

It is very uncomfortable and takes critical thinking skills to talk about this aspect. Is easier to say "white supremacy" "All cops are bad" "racism" "oppression".

But sure, like you said, it is all business, they are just media organizations looking out for their clients, investors. Not all of us in the business world think ONLY about money and profit. Some of us can make money but also impact our community in a positive matter by providing a constructive product or service.

PS. I am watching live PD this morning and it is so stressful for the cops to do their job, the resistance that they are getting from criminals due to what is happening is shocking. 

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14 hours ago, ProudConservative said:

Honestly.... Teach these blacks to strap up... You got the second amendment. If you see a cop strangling a black man, you shoot him dead. If you got someone recording, that's self defense. You were saving the guys life.

I think cops would think twice, if the bullets started flying back at them.

I think they'd open fire the first time someone looked at them sideways. I think the idea of shooting police is moronic and would result in an even more heavily militarized, aggressive police force.

There is NO evidence to support the media narrative that police are racist and target blacks. NONE. It is a media invention.

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1 hour ago, Independent1986 said:

Explain this logic, why is it when a criminal cop does a heinous act we are told there is a problem with the whole police force however when criminal looters burn cities down we are told is racist to point that out and we should shut our mouth ? Or when civilians throw Molotov cocktails at police: https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/05/31/molotov-cocktail-brooklyn-ny/ . All you intellectuals on both sides, is this the society you want to live in ? 

There are bad apples in every group in question, lets judge them case by case and apply consequences, once we cross that line of generalization it is just a never ending circle.

There is no logic to it. One cop screws up all cops are racist. One black guy murders or robs people that should never be put on all black people! Even if they do commit murder rape, and robbery far, far, far more often than white people do.

Almost every major American city is controlled by the Left, and those administrations can only get elected with heavy support from the Black community. Their police forces are models of affirmative action in hiring and promotion, often led by Black police chiefs, and with harsh policies against racism. Yet we continue to have this media narrative that these police are all deeply racist and targeting black people. Well, guess what? If your community commits five or ten times as much crime as its numbers would otherwise suggest it should then your community is going to have a lot more violent interactions with police. And some of them are going to go wrong.

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I've heard that Minnesota is the most Scandinavian US-state in every way. Even the landscape is very familiar with Scandinavia with a lot of lakes and a correct balance between coniferous and deciduous forests.

It is Scandinavian also in the way how they keep on voting for socialists. It was together with DC the only state which voted for Mondale in 1984.

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The idea that 'one bad cop doesn't reflect reality', while true, moves the framework of public discussion back in time when people looked at things like data, representation and so on responsibly.  We left that world long ago, and embraced a world where mass anger could be stoked by:

-Stereotypes, rather than data (Ronald Regan's welfare queens)
-Fear of a permissive legal system (George HW Bush's "Willie Horton" ad)
-Hated of immigrants (The present US administration's stoking of fear against Mexicans, and in Canada the overstatement of the impact of border crossings)

I would like to take us back to the era of centre-right and centre-left academics soothing everyone via panel shows on black and white television, smoking cigarettes and wearing tweed.  It's definitely my kind of thing.  

But this world of angertainment destroyed the idea of a public and put us into the mob mentality decades ago, so it's a slow march to civil war in the Balkanized Americas.  The uber-academic Marshall McLuhan predicted this situation.  

 

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McLuhan: Actually, in this case as in most of my work, I’m “predicting” what has already happened and merely extrapolating a current process to its logical conclusion. The Balkanization of the United States as a continental political structure has been going on for some years now, and racial chaos is merely one of several catalysts for change. This isn’t a peculiarly American phenomenon; as I pointed out earlier, the electric media always produce psychically integrating and socially decentralizing effects, and this affects not only political institutions within the existing state but the national entities themselves.

https://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/classes/188/spring07/mcluhan.pdf

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On 5/29/2020 at 11:47 PM, ProudConservative said:

One asshole cop killed a black guy... Thousands of Wanksta's decide to burn down shopping centers. Why Are black people walking into the stereotypical label they need to escape? How does it improve race relations, when you go burn down businesses that have had nothing to do with Floyd's death. Some of them owned by black people? With 1000 people dying a day from Covid, we don't have time for this silly distraction.

I see it more like a person who is so upset they want to cut themselves, because they can't cut you.

Another component is the criminal element, always looking for opportunities.

Third is a possiblity there's outside influence, paid and specially trained groups who incite riots, antifa and their counterparts. Funded by Bloomberg et al.

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14 hours ago, Hal 9000 said:

I think they should riot, they should loot and they should burn their own community and businesses to the ground.  

 

There may be good people in among them who need protection. They have the right to be protected.

I say, run them over in the streets.

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38 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

But this world of angertainment destroyed the idea of a public and put us into the mob mentality decades ago, so it's a slow march to civil war in the Balkanized Americas.  The uber-academic Marshal
 

https://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/classes/188/spring07/mcluhan.pdf

I sometimes sit and think and ask myself how did this angertainment came about to be. 

Is it the media companies that are forgetting their moral purpose of non-bias information providers or is it us, the people that became angrier and the media simply adapted to our needs ?

Who started all this ? Because I can tell you there are some days when regardless how much I read and how open minded I am, there are some days when emotion takes over and I want to join a sheep movement as well. It is easier and softer to be part of a mob but that is precisely what causes division. At the end is irrelevant who started it.

I recommend to anyone that is struggling with these issues, regardless if you are black,white, green to consider reading Ayn Rand: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand

Remember, she is also a human being and might be wrong on some issues, use what you can to make you better.

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Efforts to conflate police incidents onto national emergencies, seem like they are encouraging a subversive attitude. It is an attack on the State. The (purchasable...) media is being used to emphasize specific messages.

I'm fine with that in principle, as I wouldn't mind to see certain power removed or limited, from the state. Reformation is needed, and mechanisms to enable it should be made easy-access. But I digress.

If I were king, I would never allow such easy access to open communication. Most importantly when we allow corporations the power to own and run media outlets without oversight, it's essentially like the State giving them and gun and saying, put it against my head. For now the billionaires have ready access to programme our minds.

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43 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:


-Stereotypes, rather than data (Ronald Regan's welfare queens)
-Fear of a permissive legal system (George HW Bush's "Willie Horton" ad)
-Hated of immigrants (The present US administration's stoking of fear against Mexicans, and in Canada the overstatement of the impact of border crossings)

These seem like anti-right wing examples. Other examples exist where similar offences were made toward the morality of a different group.
- Stereotypes by Hillary is but a recent example. Tit for tat,
- Overly permissive legal system. NYC is but a recent example.
- Suddenly embracing economic migrants and some cases giving them much more than what the government considers good enough, for Canadians at the poverty line, etc  :rolleyes:

People are able to reason out truth from BS if they are given enough time. Today we are being bombarded by information and ideas, to the point it overwhelms our senses. Making matters worse the superpower conflict is in the media stream, as is so much else in the wild, wild west of the internet.

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1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

There may be good people in among them who need protection. They have the right to be protected.

I say, run them over in the streets.

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https://globalnews.ca/news/7008288/nypd-protesters-george-floyd/

 

If a mob gathers around your car, blocking it from moving, screaming abuse, throwing things at your car, pounding on the car, what is the likelihood you'll just smile and wave vs stepping on the gas?

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The entire narrative that has angered the Black community is that police are disproportionately arresting and abusing Black people, esp black men. The only actual evidence to support this are the statistics which show blacks are 2.5 times more likely to be killed by police than whites, and individual cases which make it into the media.

But the disproportionate statistics can be easily understood in the context that black crime in the US is wildly disproportionate to their population, which would naturally mean they'd have more unfriendly (violent) interactions with police. For example, In New York city last year, blacks committed 46% of rapes, 62% of murders, 66% of robberies, 74% of shootings. Obviously this is going to mean much more police attention.

As for media attention. That focuses on white on black racism to the exclusion of all else. Any case where a white officer kills a black man gets far more attention, particularly if that black person is unarmed, than if a black cop does it, or if the victim is white. No one ever heard of Tony Timpas because though he died in circumstances remarkably similar to George Floyd he was white, so there was no racism narrative. There were also no riots and the police involved are still on the job.

The media racism narrative is so strong that in Toronto a bunch of people marched yesterday because a black woman with mental health issues jumped out a window to her death. Yet a lot of blacks believe police, who were alone with her in the apartment, threw her out the window. No excuse is given. None is needed. After all, the Toronto police are racist towards black, despite how many blacks are on the Toronto police force and that they have a black chief. So in their minds they'd simply enjoy throwing a black woman out a window. Idiocy.

This media narrative is strong enough that you can see crowds of black people gathering often in the streets as cops make an arrest, shouting abuse and sometimes trying to intervene, without even knowing who the police were arresting or why. And it leads to a sense of visible resentment and anger young black men in particular often show towards police - which can easily spiral upward to violence and arrests. The media is doing the black community no favours here. They make it harder for police to get cooperation in black communities as they investigate violent offenders who are mainly hurting black people.

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33 minutes ago, Argus said:

If a mob gathers around your car, blocking it from moving, screaming abuse, throwing things at your car, pounding on the car, what is the likelihood you'll just smile and wave vs stepping on the gas?

I'd run over them, without hesitation.

ETA: I'd never go there in the first place. Not trained in crowd control either...

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9 minutes ago, Shady said:

This is nothing short of domestic terrorism.  I can’t imagine what the mainstream media would’ve said if the anti-lockdown protestors acted in this fashion.  

But in this case the mainstream media is in sympathy with people who are angrily demonstrating against the widespread police racism and violence against black people - which only exists in their minds because the media told them it does.

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31 minutes ago, Argus said:

The media racism narrative is so strong that in Toronto a bunch of people marched yesterday because a black woman with mental health issues jumped out a window to her death. Yet a lot of blacks believe police, who were alone with her in the apartment, threw her out the window. No excuse is given. None is needed. After all, the Toronto police are racist towards black, despite how many blacks are on the Toronto police force and that they have a black chief. So in their minds they'd simply enjoy throwing a black woman out a window. Idiocy.

Now is all group thinking, the media provides the trigger and the groups act on emotion. When people have no purpose and no goal in life when a social event like this happens they feel useful,. I mean just take a look at the people committing the looting, is all races, anarchists, communists, people that don't have a good social status and they want to change the system upside down instead of going to work and providing a service to their fellow man.

RACISM in Toronto ? Toronto ? Are you kidding me ? The chief is not even allowed to speak because the SIU does not allow him.

I feel for the idealists that are in these crowds, they are just used by the radical element for their own agenda. You can create good changes in society by focusing on yourself instead of reacting like a mob controlled by a TV remote. If each individual would do that, the society would be much better than the division today.

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