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2 minutes ago, Goddess said:

This is partially true.

My only point, because of the article on totalitarianism and the totalitarian pathway countries are going down right now, is that people like you who obey without questioning anything, are dangerous during such times as this.

Fortunately, the article shows you are in the minority - only 30% blindly obey.

30% are natural questioners.

40% are not sure, they want to question, they have doubts about the logicalness of things, they are open to and want to hear both sides of issues, but they are also easily cowed when governments restrict access to information and demonize and punish any who question or don't obey.  They also are the ones who will eventually stand up and say "Enough!"  But hopefully, not too late.

You make the assumption I blindly obey because? 

I support the vaccine? 

I think overwhelmed healthcare systems are a reasonable reason to implement a Lockdown? 

I don't believe the vaccine is killing thousands of people? 

 

I think I've been clear on this site I don't like these testing requirements for international travel for vaccinated people. I thought the Ontario Lockdown was a bit much, but it has proven to be worthwhile. 

I did see family during lockdowns. I'm not militant about mask wearing. 

 

It's convenient to just pigeonhole people into categories. Very authoritarian of you. 

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1 hour ago, Boges said:

You make the assumption I blindly obey because? 

I support the vaccine? 

No. Because you deny vaccine injuries and you do blindly follow.

I research before I blindly follow.  Many reputable scientists and virologists are sounding the alarm on vaccine injuries and deaths.  They are being silenced.  I want to know why.  You don't care.  Dialamah outright rejected a well-published scientist because of his religion. I spent 2 years running a medical clinic and spending my lunch hours reading medical journals and that doctor had over 600 peer-reviewed articles and was well-respected in the medical community until he disagreed with mass vaccinating.  I want to know why he (and others) is suddenly a pariah.  Same with Dr. Byram Bridle.  He was well-respected enough that the Canadian government asked him to look into the vaccines before they came out.  When he raised concerns, now suddenly he's a crackpot.  This is happening way to often to be ignored.  Could it be because Canada is profiting from the lipid nanoparticle technology being used all over the world and Trudeau is pushing the vaccines so hard - to the point that we are almost a laughing stock to other countries - because he also makes a profit?  Could it be because Big Pharma is going to make billions, at a time when they had pretty much lost the trust of the public due to 2-3 billion dollar lawsuits against them?  These are the questions I have.

People who have injuries and deaths are all liars to you because it's not being reported in MSM.  They are being ignored. They have repeatedly asked the CDC and FDA to look into their cases and almost to a person, have related that they have never once been contacted by either one of those entities. I want to know why.

Right now, I am utterly shocked at how many deaths and heart attacks there have been in the sporting world.  Many are trying to sound the alarm but again - it's being ignored.  I want to know why.  And it is breaking my heart the number of young people from 13-about 35 who have died of heart attacks.  I want to know why the media is trying to make heart attacks in teenagers seem like it's normal and has been happening all along.  It hasn't.  I want to know they are lying. I want to know why this is being swept under the carpet.

I want to know why other flus - such as H1N1, had similar mortality rates and yet the world was not shut down at that time. ( Actually, they tried to do what they are doing now, but it was rejected by the public and media.)

I don't think Bill Gates is trying to microchip everybody, but his record of forcing vaccines in other countries (especially African countries) is extremely poor.  The vaccines he pushed killed thousands of young people and he was actually booted out of one country because of the deaths and is not welcome in many others.  Yet we are blindly following him now.  I want to know why.

I support vaccines.  I support this vaccine - within reason.  I also support our already established human rights, including the right to medical bodily autonomy.  I also support fully informed consent on such autonomy and my research is telling me that we are not being fully informed, when dissenting information from reputable scientists and virologists is being quashed - swiftly and harshly. 

I strongly disagree also with the demonization of unvaxxed people that is going on through the media.  Maybe part of that is because I'm in that group - the ones who want answers to questions, the ones who feel safer "waiting and seeing" what will happen with an experimental, unapproved vaccine that was rushed into production by pharmaceutical companies that have a very poor track record of putting corporate interests above public health and who demanded immunity from any deaths and injuries resulting from this shot.

The narrative keeps changing, too, which does not inspire my trust.  We went from "2 weeks to flatten the curve" to now 2 years and losing our basic freedoms and rights.  We went from 1 shot to 2 shots to now an endless stream of "boosters" with zero long-term prognosis available.  Now the numbers in country after country are getting scary - vaccinated people are not safe from covid, as promised.  And they are now dying in large numbers from heart conditions, multi-organ inflammations, and neurological disorders.  Previously normal, healthy people.

These are just some of my concerns and I don't believe any of them are outlandish or stupidly thought out.

If you prefer to blindly follow and question nothing, that's you.  Not me. 

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Goddess said:

No. Because you deny vaccine injuries and you do blindly follow.

I research before I blindly follow.  Many reputable scientists and virologists are sounding the alarm on vaccine injuries and deaths.  They are being silenced.  I want to know why.  You don't care.  Dialamah outright rejected a well-published scientist because of his religion. I spent 2 years running a medical clinic and spending my lunch hours reading medical journals and that doctor had over 600 peer-reviewed articles and was well-respected in the medical community until he disagreed with mass vaccinating.  I want to know why he (and others) is suddenly a pariah.  Same with Dr. Byram Bridle.  He was well-respected enough that the Canadian government asked him to look into the vaccines before they came out.  When he raised concerns, now suddenly he's a crackpot.  This is happening way to often to be ignored.  Could it be because Canada is profiting from the lipid nanoparticle technology being used all over the world and Trudeau is pushing the vaccines so hard - to the point that we are almost a laughing stock to other countries - because he also makes a profit?  Could it be because Big Pharma is going to make billions, at a time when they had pretty much lost the trust of the public due to 2-3 billion dollar lawsuits against them?  These are the questions I have.

People who have injuries and deaths are all liars to you because it's not being reported in MSM.  They are being ignored. They have repeatedly asked the CDC and FDA to look into their cases and almost to a person, have related that they have never once been contacted by either one of those entities. I want to know why.

Right now, I am utterly shocked at how many deaths and heart attacks there have been in the sporting world.  Many are trying to sound the alarm but again - it's being ignored.  I want to know why.  And it is breaking my heart the number of young people from 13-about 35 who have died of heart attacks.  I want to know why the media is trying to make heart attacks in teenagers seem like it's normal and has been happening all along.  It hasn't.  I want to know they are lying. I want to know why this is being swept under the carpet.

I want to know why other flus - such as H1N1, had similar mortality rates and yet the world was not shut down at that time. ( Actually, they tried to do what they are doing now, but it was rejected by the public and media.)

I don't think Bill Gates is trying to microchip everybody, but his record of forcing vaccines in other countries (especially African countries) is extremely poor.  The vaccines he pushed killed thousands of young people and he was actually booted out of one country because of the deaths and is not welcome in many others.  Yet we are blindly following him now.  I want to know why.

I support vaccines.  I support this vaccine - within reason.  I also support our already established human rights, including the right to medical bodily autonomy.  I also support fully informed consent on such autonomy and my research is telling me that we are not being fully informed, when dissenting information from reputable scientists and virologists is being quashed - swiftly and harshly. 

I strongly disagree also with the demonization of unvaxxed people that is going on through the media.  Maybe part of that is because I'm in that group - the ones who want answers to questions, the ones who feel safer "waiting and seeing" what will happen with an experimental, unapproved vaccine that was rushed into production by pharmaceutical companies that have a very poor track record of putting corporate interests above public health and who demanded immunity from any deaths and injuries resulting from this shot.

The narrative keeps changing, too, which does not inspire my trust.  We went from "2 weeks to flatten the curve" to now 2 years and losing our basic freedoms and rights.  We went from 1 shot to 2 shots to now an endless stream of "boosters" with zero long-term prognosis available.  Now the numbers in country after country are getting scary - vaccinated people are not safe from covid, as promised.  And they are now dying in large numbers from heart conditions, multi-organ inflammations, and neurological disorders.  Previously normal, healthy people.

These are just some of my concerns and I don't believe any of them are outlandish or stupidly thought out.

If you prefer to blindly follow and question nothing, that's you.  Not me. 

I just skimmed over this screed. A few points. 

Many more scientists and medical professionals say the vaccine is perfectly safe. Though the rare risks have been addressed and warned again. AZ is not being used anymore myocarditis is a valid reason to be exempt from the vaccine. 

As for the changing tone, we're in a pandemic so things do evolve. But communities with high vaccination rate are fairing much better than those with lower vaccine rate. Look to Germany vs France. Germany is experiencing a surge, their vaccination rate is much lower than in neighbouring countries. 

I don't think Boosters will be a permanent staple in our life. But you may need one, if you got your vaccine early. It's not the end of the world. And so far boosters haven't yet been mandated. In North America, anyway. 

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26 minutes ago, Boges said:

And so far boosters haven't yet been mandated. In North America, anyway. 

Not addressing most of your points, we've already disagreed on them.

But to your last comment above:

Trudeau bought 300 million doses.  You're getting boosters for many years to come, don't kid yourself.  Tam already has said that by December, she expects the definition of "fully vaccinated" to change from 2 doses to 3.  Based on Trudeau's large purchase of vaccines, that will change from 3 to 4, then 4 to 5, then 6  to 7.  Canada has purchased enough doses to vaccinate everyone, including the moose, 10 times.

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2 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Not addressing most of your points, we've already disagreed on them.

But to your last comment above:

Trudeau bought 300 million doses.  You're getting boosters for many years to come, don't kid yourself.  Tam already has said that by December, she expects the definition of "fully vaccinated" to change from 2 doses to 3.  Based on Trudeau's large purchase of vaccines, that will change from 3 to 4, then 4 to 5, then 6  to 7.  Canada has purchased enough doses to vaccinate everyone, including the moose, 10 times.

He did that to ensure supply should some suppliers, like AZ, fail to supply Canadians. Now that's not an issue. 

I guess if you're petrified of the vaccine, a third shot would be a problem. We're in a pandemic, Europe is seeing a major surge in cases again. If a booster can help with that, I'm all for it. 

I don't think these measures will stick around. Vaccination has allowed Hospitalization in Ontario to remain static despite an increased caseload. 

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2 hours ago, Boges said:

I guess if you're petrified of the vaccine, a third shot would be a problem.

I don't know if it's so much "petrified" of a vaccine.

What I'm seeing from comments on many MSM articles is that people are starting to understand that the risks are far greater than they were led to believe.  And the benefits - non-existent.  Vaxxed are getting and spreading covid in record numbers and the numbers for vaxxed deaths and hospitalizations are soaring.  Plus, none of the restrictions that were promised to be removed if 70%, then 80%, now 90%  got the jabs are not appearing.  It's also turning people off that people are losing their jobs over the jabs.  Most people recognize that it is no longer a "choice".  Many comments along the lines of, "They forced me to get the first 2 jabs, I'm not doing any more."  Risking your life and health twice for the good of humanity and getting away with it, is one thing.  Risking your life and health 8 to 10 times is another story, for many people.  At some point in the boosters program, your luck is going to run out.  Risking your children's life and health is turning more people off than the media is portraying.  And they suspect, like with adults, jabs for children also won't end in one or two jabs.  

The discussion boards are chock full of people who felt forced, coerced and manipulated into getting jabbed and now suddenly having very poor health, like my sister - diseases that were in remission pop up ferociously within days after vaxxing and perfectly healthy people suddenly having extremely serious health issues that no doctors can identify (or they are afraid to identify, for fear of losing their licenses and reputations).

There is a lot more going on out there than you know. And the defecation is going to hit the oscillating apparatus soon.

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14 hours ago, Goddess said:

Vaxxed are getting and spreading covid in record numbers and the numbers for vaxxed deaths and hospitalizations are soaring.  Plus, none of the restrictions that were promised to be removed if 70%, then 80%, now 90%  got the jabs are not appearing. 

See you just say shit like that pretending it's fact. 

A fraction of the Hospitalizations in Ontario are from fully vaxxed individuals. 

And many restrictions have been lifted. See the full crowds at sporting events. Concerts are back, movie theatres are back, Full indoor dining is back. . . you just have to be vaxxed. 

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Regarding the medical exemptions from the jabs that doctors are NOT allowed to give to ordinary citizens, but Trudeau granted to  most federal employees and anyone else he wanted to.

In case you weren't aware, doctors who have given out medical exemptions from the jabs have been fined, publicly shamed and some have lost their licenses.

The discussion boards are full of people who medically SHOULD have exemptions - severe allergies, other health concerns - but are being denied them because of Trudeau's totalitarian control.  He has flat out said exemptions would not be granted.  Some of these people have lost their jobs because the choice for them is actually - die from the shots or lose their jobs and they have chosen to not die at this time.

This woman posted this on one of the discussion boards this morning.  And I think it really illustrates how this is all really about control and not about Canadian's health. 

I realize, in advance, that some of you here will say this woman is a big fat liar.

 
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Hi there, my name is XXXXXX and my youngest daughter is 13 years old. She was recently diagnosed with a very rare disease called Kearns-Sayre syndrome.
 
Since she was three years old, something has seemed “off”, so many years (nearly ten) spent with multiple doctors and labs to complete testing “trying” to figure out why and what is going on. Finally after so many years and an optometrist that cared, we ended up at BCCH for 4 days completing sooo many more tests.
Our daughter, XXXXXX is now under the care of multiple specialists at BCCH and is supposed to meet with two new ones next week. One being a surgeon that has taken over six months to get into. However, with the highway closures we are unable to drive down. Understanding the province state of emergency I booked flights for XXXXX & I instead of driving down and being with the support of her dad, (my husband) and our older daughter.
 
XXXXX is not vaccinated against Covid 19, part of this is her choice, part of it is because doctors can not tell us if there are lasting long term effects for her condition.
XXXXXX had Covid in September, she handled it like a champ and after her isolation went back to school when it was safe to do so.
 
The government travel website states that if you have had a positive Covid test within the last 14-180 days then you can show that result and travel during the transition time frame until November 30th. Our flights are for the 22&26.
 
Unfortunately our Prince George airport is not honouring that statement. This makes it incredibly hard for a child to travel when vaccination has not been deemed entirely safe for them. I will pay the additional $200.00 plus taxes to provide the “negative” test that the airport requires tomorrow, but our doctor has told us that since she has been positive two months ago the chances of her being negative within three months is extremely low.
 
Amongst all that, NO DOCTORS will sign an exemption for her. Regardless of the fact that family has spoken the the local MPs office and while they encouraged us to apply through them for an exemption , they admitted that they have not granted … one… ever.
 
This is for a child with a disease that is known for heart issues. Which is a known side effect of the vaccine.
That can not be driven to BCCH now due to the provincial state of emergency.
 
And is now being refused to fly because the local airport doesn’t want to follow federal laws.
 
The amount of specialists that she would visit in a two day period is SIX that are not available in our community!! SiX for my child that has a rare disease no one was able to diagnose for ten years.
 
Six doctors she needs in order to ensure her health.
 
Please, please, make this public. Make our government accountable.
 
This is not ok for our health system to diminish the most vulnerable at this time.
 
Any questions I can answer tomorrow. 778-XXX-XXXX.

 

 
 
In case you're still thinking how great it is that our government is punishing unvaccinated people.  Just remember that your support of governmental tyranny is killing actual people and people are losing their jobs over not being granted exemptions.

 

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57 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Regarding the medical exemptions from the jabs that doctors are NOT allowed to give to ordinary citizens, but Trudeau granted to  most federal employees and anyone else he wanted to.

In case you weren't aware, doctors who have given out medical exemptions from the jabs have been fined, publicly shamed and some have lost their licenses.

The discussion boards are full of people who medically SHOULD have exemptions - severe allergies, other health concerns - but are being denied them because of Trudeau's totalitarian control.  He has flat out said exemptions would not be granted.  Some of these people have lost their jobs because the choice for them is actually - die from the shots or lose their jobs and they have chosen to not die at this time.

This woman posted this on one of the discussion boards this morning.  And I think it really illustrates how this is all really about control and not about Canadian's health. 

I realize, in advance, that some of you here will say this woman is a big fat liar.

In case you're still thinking how great it is that our government is punishing unvaccinated people.  Just remember that your support of governmental tyranny is killing actual people and people are losing their jobs over not being granted exemptions.

1) People with medical conditions probably SHOULD be getting the vaccine more than anyone. And if not, they shouldn't be doing the type of things the vaccine passports guard against during a pandemic. 

2) Ontario provides exemptions for allergies. Remember this is a thread about Ontario's handling of the pandemic. 

3) No one is actually dying, just being inconvenienced. 

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5 minutes ago, Boges said:

People with medical conditions probably SHOULD be getting the vaccine more than anyone.

Ummm, People with heart conditions and autoimmune disorders and severe allergies should get a vaccine that impacts heart health and lowers immunity levels and causes multi-organ inflammatory issues?

Where exactly did you get your medical degree?

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59 minutes ago, Goddess said:

in case you're still thinking how great it is that our government is punishing unvaccinated people.  Just remember that your support of governmental tyranny is killing actual people and people are losing their jobs over not being granted exemptions

That girl should be exempted from vaccines and from the restriction on flights.  But bureaucracy is stupid:  I know because I am in a government job that applies blanket policies (aka bureaucracy) because for the most part they are effective and the volume of work we have is immense; we are currently 3 years or so behind.  Exemptions can be done, but it's a struggle.  None of my colleagues, managers or Ministers cares about "control" of the populace; they care about doing their jobs right, and the Ministers care about fulfilling their mandate.

In the Ministry in which I work, people who are not vaccinated are being put on 3-month unpaid leave, but still get benefits.  They aren't 'losing their jobs' though they will lose income; it looks like the government intends to reassess in 3 months time.  In the meantime, effective tomorrow, all the restrictions within the office that we've been living with for the past year and a half are being removed, except for mask-wearing in common areas.  The government is loosening control, not increasing it.

What private companies choose to do in regards to vaccination has nothing to do with government.  In two gyms I know of, one requires staff vaccination while the other does not.  Still, both check members' vaccination status and require mask use and distancing inside the gyms. 

 

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2 minutes ago, dialamah said:

BTW, there is an organization in BC that offers free flights to people in need of medical care outside their communities - here's the website:  https://hopeair.ca/Get-Involved/Volunteer-Pilot-Program  Perhaps you could share that with this family.

 

Thank you, I will pass that along in her post.

Most of the suggestions have been long, convoluted drives to get AROUND the areas affected.

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25 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Ummm, People with heart conditions and autoimmune disorders and severe allergies should get a vaccine that impacts heart health and lowers immunity levels and causes multi-organ inflammatory issues?

Where exactly did you get your medical degree?

People with Autoimmune diseased should definitely get the vaccine. They're the ones that can least afford to get COVID. They're also the ones that would require a booster sooner because their immune system is challenged. 

The myocarditis foundation recommends getting the vaccine. 

https://www.myocarditisfoundation.org/myocarditis-and-pericarditis-following-mrna-covid-19-vaccination/?gclid=CjwKCAiAs92MBhAXEiwAXTi25xjRPTBIt841sBSTlvkPNkG9C0Obt-gXumfsjXPgyjIHkGLzs2pXwxoC6AYQAvD_BwE

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 Our cardiologists have consistently encouraged patients to take the COVID-19 Vaccine, but ultimately defer to your personal cardiologists and physicians as they know you the best. They have consistently reported that the benefits outweigh the risks.

 

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5 minutes ago, Goddess said:

When doctors across the country are afraid to provide exemptions for their patients such as this young girl for fear of losing their license to practice.....I strongly disagree.

You should only be able to provide exemptions when it's deemed medically necessary.

A kidney disease is not a reason to avoid the vaccine. It's actually a co-morbidity that would indicate that getting COVID could be much harder on them. 

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1 minute ago, Boges said:

You should only be able to provide exemptions when it's deemed medically necessary.

A kidney disease is not a reason to avoid the vaccine. It's actually a co-morbidity that would indicate that getting COVID could be much harder on them. 

Agree; my partner has kidney disease and his doctors all recommended the vaccine.  

But heart disease - I think there's reason to be cautious there, especially for young people.

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31 minutes ago, Boges said:

People with Autoimmune diseased should definitely get the vaccine. They're the ones that can least afford to get COVID. They're also the ones that would require a booster sooner because their immune system is challenged. 

The myocarditis foundation recommends getting the vaccine. 

https://www.myocarditisfoundation.org/myocarditis-and-pericarditis-following-mrna-covid-19-vaccination/?gclid=CjwKCAiAs92MBhAXEiwAXTi25xjRPTBIt841sBSTlvkPNkG9C0Obt-gXumfsjXPgyjIHkGLzs2pXwxoC6AYQAvD_BwE

 

Myocarditis Foundation is funded by the NIH, which is funded by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, which has an extremely poor track record for vaccine safety.  Researching Bill Gates and his pushing of vaccines shows he has not been at all concerned with vaccine safety.  Especially in African countries where his pushing of them has killed and maimed thousands and he was actually booted out of one country because he killed so many young girls.

The jury is out on vaccines for myocarditis patients.  The only ones recommending them are organizations funded by Big Pharma.

Use caution for those at risk of myocarditis from Covid-19 vaccines - STAT (statnews.com)

 

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Widely circulated slides from a recent meeting of the CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices offered even more surprising recommendations. First, they recommended individuals receive “any FDA-authorized Covid-19 vaccine if heart has recovered” in those who have had myocarditis before vaccination. They also recommended pushing ahead with a second dose of an mRNA vaccine for individuals who developed myocarditis or pericarditis after a first dose if the heart has recovered “under certain circumstances,” even though a second dose could result in recurrent inflammation, which may be more severe than the initial bout and have lasting negative consequences on heart function.

We worry that this guidance does not give sufficient deference to the potential for recurrent myocarditis, and that anyone with a history of myocarditis or who develops myocarditis soon after Covid-19 vaccination should explore carefully with their health care providers about their options until the medical community better understands why this inflammation occurs and if it can be avoided through alternative approaches.

Indeed, the Food and Drug Administration fact sheets for health care providers administering both the Pfizer-BioNTech and the Moderna Covid-19 vaccines state that the decision to administer the vaccine “to an individual with a history of myocarditis or pericarditis should take into account the individual’s clinical circumstances.” But even here it would be better to recommend caution for routine administration of vaccines to those with a history of myocarditis before a discussion can take place between vaccine recipients and their health care providers. Even greater caution should be employed for administering these vaccines to individuals who experienced myocarditis after receiving a first dose.

 

Same for those with autoimmune disorders:

Covid-19 vaccine and autoimmunity: Awakening the sleeping dragon (nih.gov)

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In line with Talotta et al. [5], we hypothesize that, even though, COVID-19 vaccination does not provoke de novo immune mediated adverse events, it is possible that, the immunologic response triggers pre-existing underlying dysregulated pathways. This could be mirrored in a polyclonal B-cell expansion, resulting in immune complex formation and respective vasculitis phenomena. Of note, in genetically susceptible individuals, this kind of dysregulation may be enhanced by other autoimmune mechanisms, including epitope spreading and bystander activation, which could also lead to chronic autoimmunity following COVID-19 infection [6]. It remains an open question, when these phenomena do occur and if they do, whether a second dose should be administered. At the same time, one cannot help wondering what the relative response would unveil, in the context of non-specific organ vasculitis, eg in the case of systemic lupus erythematosus. We need more data to assess immune implications in patients with prior history of autoimmune associated manifestations, not only in terms of efficacy but also in terms of immune mediated adverse events, that could jeopardise disease flair. In this case, the clinical implications described should be weighted against the larger impact of vaccination, and by no means should hamper global efforts, if non-severe symptoms are exacerbated. Similar to other vaccines and existing literature, a causative link between vaccination and vasculitides cannot be established, since strict definitions do not currently exist [7]. However, its better to err on the side of caution, in order to provoke more observations and promote better understanding of disease itself, and optimize management and prevention, rather than find ourselves in awe of unexpected stumbling blocks.

Bottom line, as I have said many times - we do not have long term data to determine the safety of these vaccines, which are being forced on everybody in a "one size fits all" totalitarian manner.

The fact that our government is blazing full-speed ahead, demanding 100% vaccination rates, revoking licenses of doctors who provide exemptions and removing the established human right to medical bodily autonomy and suppressing studies that show the vaccines are impacting future immunity to a variety of diseases tells me something is very, very wrong here.

Whether one takes the vaccine or not should be up to the individual and their doctor, not the government.  You can disagree all you want, but it is one of the established freedoms in democracies - the right to NOT have the government dictate what you medically do with your own body.  It's an important right, fought hard for and the fact that you are so willing to toss it out the window in favour of totalitarianism is dangerous pathway.

The government on one hand cannot say they are "for" allowing doctors and their patients to make the decision and then on the other hand punish and revoke the licenses of those who provide exemptions.

Something is amiss here.

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9 hours ago, Boges said:

See you just say shit like that pretending it's fact. 

A fraction of the Hospitalizations in Ontario are from fully vaxxed individuals. 

Funny you should say that. I was just checking it.

77 vaccinated to 95 in Ontario Hospitals was the claim this morning at 7 am. 

So the fraction would be 7/9. That's what you're proud of, is it?

Admittedly the ICU stat would be a better fit for you. They claim that was 3 to 1 this morning - unjabbed to jabbed.

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data

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Still isn't as impressive as the 20 to 1 they were strutting around about in the first week or two of Delta. The stats should get worse for you as the efficacy of the vaccine wanes. Also I always wonder how many of those covid stats are actually stats of adverse reactions to the vaccine. And those will slow down now. Unless you do boosters.

You may get lucky though, Boges. I hear there may be a new variant taking over. The last time that happened they were checking in the unvaxxed for observation and sending the vaxxed home. Ok, I admit it. That's also just one of my personal suspicions.

Oh and Florida is still doing just fine with their policy of accessible monoclonal antibodies. 1/10 of the cases at their pre-MA peak. 1/60th of the deaths.

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On 11/18/2021 at 9:58 AM, dialamah said:

Permanently??  Where are you?  The only restriction that still remains where I live is wearing a mask, and no dancing if I happen to go out to a club.  Next week, our office will be back at capacity.  A year ago, I couldn't go to a restaurant, a gym, a movie, events, have family/friends over and my office was deserted.  My friend couldn't visit her mother in her care home and now she can.  If you are still living under those kinds of restrictions, come to BC; it'll restore your confidence in freedom.

I haven't seen any book bonfires; have you?  Although today, it'd likely be the destruction of electronic devices, which I also haven't seen.  Am using one of those devices right now as a matter of fact - as I assume you are.  

 

I can only assume that you’re not working or going out much.  My workplace has more restrictions than it did a year ago before vaccines.  We used to have to wear masks.  Now we have to wear masks and visors though everyone on my staff is fully vaccinated.   It’s awful and everyone to a person hates the visors and feels absolutely sick of work.

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32 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I can only assume that you’re not working or going out much.  My workplace has more restrictions than it did a year ago before vaccines.  We used to have to wear masks.  Now we have to wear masks and visors though everyone on my staff is fully vaccinated.   It’s awful and everyone to a person hates the visors and feels absolutely sick of work.

Monday, nearly all restrictions in our workplace are being removed .  We had restrictions on the number of people who could be in at the any time, the number of people who could be in any given room at the same time, how far apart we had to sit from co-workers, which stairwell we could use to go up or down to the different floors, when we were open to the public.  The only restriction remaining is wearing masks in common areas.  Your workplace may differ, but that is nothing to do with government itself imposing restrictions on you.

I don't know where you are, or why your workplace requires that extra layer of protection, but to think wearing a visor is akin to the dark ages is hyperbolic, to say the least.   

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3 hours ago, Goddess said:

Whether one takes the vaccine or not should be up to the individual and their doctor, not the government.  You can disagree all you want, but it is one of the established freedoms in democracies - the right to NOT have the government dictate what you medically do with your own body.  It's an important right, fought hard for and the fact that you are so willing to toss it out the window in favour of totalitarianism is dangerous pathway.

This is, almost word for word, what my mother-in-law said when seatbelt laws first came about.  She just refused to wear one.  But despite her insistent claims of government overreach and how our freedoms were being infringed upon ... no totalitariasm in the 40 years since.  Imagine that!

The same rhetoric was used about motorcyclists wearing helmets, did you know that?  But again - it's been decades and still no totalitarianism.

You spend so much time spreading misinformation and fearmongering about the vaccine and totalitarianism, that you are much more of a danger to society than people who choose to get vaccinated.

 

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3 hours ago, Goddess said:

Myocarditis Foundation is funded by the NIH, which is funded by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, which has an extremely poor track record for vaccine safety.

The NIH is funded the the American Government.  

The NIH Congressional Justification ("CJ") provides the Senate and House Appropriations Committees detailed estimates and justifications for research and research support activities (infrastructure, administrative, etc.) that NIH would anticipate funding at the President's Budget Request level.
 

If anything, the NIH would be funding Bill Gates Foundation.  

More than 80 percent of NIH’s funding is awarded for extramural research, largely through almost 50,000 competitive grants to more than 300,000 researchers at more than 2,500 universities, medical schools, and other research institutions in every state.

Do you never verify the information spoonfed you by foreign troll farms?

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