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2 hours ago, Right To Left said:

I'll ignore the rest of your racist horseshit and just say: NO, inequality is NOT a condition of democracy; it's a condition of capitalism! 

Okay, well I won't ignore your capitalism dumb shit, as I just say:  Yes!

Why?

Because if you find the nerve here, to list, every single solitary democracy on Earth that is ruled by us Caucasians ---then I can guarantee, I repeat, I can guarantee that Yes every society you list will be controlled by Fascism's inequality which ensures White Privilege--- and that is no matter if it's a Capitalism or Socialism or Communism nation.  I promise.

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On 4/18/2020 at 5:55 PM, Argus said:

And I think that like a lot of losers you don't want equality of opportunity, you want equality of results, to be elevated despite your lack of skills or abilities.

How do you feel about the end opposite to equal outcomes as in distributing lobbying influence equally? I'm pretty sure I recall you being upset that winners above your station get more influence than you. Why did that bother you?

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"Dutch intensive care doctor Jan Bakker is working in New York through the coronavirus crisis. He is exasperated by the American healthcare system and the inequality it highlights. "What this crisis has made clear is that the US healthcare system is pretty much the worst system we know in the developed world. It is best if you have money and want to get every possible treatment until your last breath. But if you're broke, you're screwed," Bakker said in an interview with Het Parool."

https://nltimes.nl/2020/04/28/dutch-icu-doc-exasperated-new-york-youre-broke-youre-screwed

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On April 29, 2020 at 1:34 PM, Marocc said:

"the developed world.

I think ol' Bakker is being disingenuous about the rest of the developed world. They are all like the USA, except that they don't brag about it like the USA does ---is that, what makes the USA worst?? lol. I'm now even wondering if Bakker went to the USA with a preconceived notion/sinister motive, that he's disguising with his Humanitarianism ---since he had to have known the USA healthcare sys is just like all other 1st-World nations'

Every 1st-World nation has a healthcare system/medical culture where the wealthy citizens receive far superior services, than low-income citizens. So, Jan Bakker is being dishonest here ---and please consider that in case you esteemed his scholarship here.

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On 4/7/2020 at 5:47 AM, Marocc said:

Equality is not about specific legal codes. It's about a state of mind.

Creating a society where people are equal requires a change in attitudes.

What can Canadians offer in support of equality, aside from money?

You should have called your thread stupidity.

There's no requirement to create "equality". You're taking about communism, and communism is not the friend of people who like the freedom to believe what they want. Look at religious freedom in China and the USSR if you don't believe me.

There's a requirement to create a society where people are free to choose their religion and their way of life, in a manner that doesn't infringe on other people.

That's what we have in Canada. If you don't completely understand that by now you're just a complete idiot.

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On May 30, 2020 at 9:30 AM, WestCanMan said:

You should have called your thread stupidity.

There's no requirement to create "equality". You're taking about communism, and communism is not the friend of people who like the freedom to believe what they want. Look at religious freedom in China and the USSR if you don't believe me.

There's a requirement to create a society where people are free to choose their religion and their way of life, in a manner that doesn't infringe on other people.

That's what we have in Canada. If you don't completely understand that by now you're just a complete idiot.

IN all due respect, this might give the impression that you agree with @Marocc regarding Equality being about a state of mind.

When you say that one requirement has to be a society where people are free to choose their religion and their way of life, in a manner that doesn't infringe on other citizens, it went hand-in-hand with where she posted that creating a society where people are equal requires a change in attitudes. Since it requires a change in attitudes, in order to allow a society where people are free to choose their religion and their way of life in a manner that doesn't infringe on other people.

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From what I understand 'equality' is an even starting point for a process and 'equity' is an equal share of the end result of that process.

Lets consider the (ongoing) process to be 'human society' - at the beginning of human life we have an equal share of what is available to continue living and at the end you still have an equal share of what is available. This would mean that no matter what choices you made (good or bad) you still end up not effecting the personal outcomes you are left with when you die.

The obvious issue with this model is that no matter how hard an individual works they will never get additional credit for that hard work so there is no incentive for innovation and society as a consequence stagnates.

Furthermore examining the aspect of 'equity' reveals a fundamental reliance on 'equality' - but not the other way around - therefore 'equality' is proprietary to a more successful social model.

This axiom allows me to focus on 'equality' rather than 'equity' as the real factor worth considering in generating a (more) fair society.

To me the notion of equality is a set of necessities for human existence that if prioritized and provided - allow for an individual to change from a 'survival' mindset to 'functional' mindset. A sample of these necessities (in no particular order) and would include but are not limited to:

  • Nutritious food & clean water.
  • Shelter & Clothing.
  • Medical assistance & Pharmaceutical access.
  • Transportation & access to Communication.
  • Education & Training.

Once these are provided to an individual as the basics for human life then survival instincts are suppressed and higher functioning/reasoning will emerge as the daily struggle to survive diminishes. This then provides the groundwork for individual expression as those who work more add to their perceived value in society and those who play more will at least never loose the baseline necessities should they ever change priorities and want to begin contributing in a more meaningful way.

As long as opportunities that can be worked for remain available to the bottom line of society (essentially the application of human time and effort) then there is equality but equity signals the redundancy of human endeavor.

The lack of free education and communication (for life) are relevant examples of how lower classes are kept low and prevent measures of higher equality from reaching those who want more from life.

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