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48 minutes ago, Goddess said:

LOL

Because  it's already FDA approved. Like 65 years ago.

Ugh!

Not for use treating Covid. 

https://recalls-rappels.canada.ca/en/alert-recall/ivermectin-not-authorized-prevent-or-treat-covid-19-may-cause-serious-health-problems

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There is no evidence that ivermectin works to prevent or treat COVID-19, and it is not authorized for this use. To date, Health Canada has not received any drug submission or applications for clinical trials for ivermectin for the prevention or treatment of COVID-19.

 

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Just now, Boges said:

Yes, I'm very aware that Canada and the US do not want it being used for treating covid.

They even went so far as having stockpiles of it destroyed so it couldn't be used.

Ivermectin, up til now, was one of those all-purpose types of drugs that doctors could prescribe for anything they felt it would be a benefit for.  Because it has no side effects, dosed properly.

When it started to be used successfully in treating covid by frontline doctors who were actually working with covid patients (it is an anti-viral, donchaknow), Big Pharma knew they wouldn't be able to get EUA for their vaccines coming down the pipe if there was a successful treatment for covid.  So they tanked Ivermectin and destroyed millions of doses, removed it from over the counter sales and rescinded licenses of frontline doctors who continued to prescribe it and went on a media rampage touting it as "horse de-wormer" knowing full well it's much more than that since millions of Africans take it weekly their whole lives to prevent malaria and other viruses.  They also delisted it as a drug doctors could prescribe.

It's estimated that 500,000 Americans died because of this.

12 minutes ago, Boges said:

Health Canada has not received any drug submission or applications for clinical trials for ivermectin for the prevention or treatment of COVID-19.

This quote is misleading for the reasons I gave you above.  It was openly available for use as an antiviral or absolutely anything else doctors wanted to prescribe it for.  Frontline doctors tried it out in order to save lives before the vax came out and they found it worked.  No drug submissions or approvals were needed, it was already FDA approved for 65 years.

There was no applications for clinical trials submitted because time was of the essence in saving lives.  And once it was found to successfully treat covid, Big Pharma moved very quickly to have it submarined so no clinical trials could happen.

All of this is actually exactly the playbook Fauci used to submarine pharmaceuticals that frontline doctors found worked for AIDS in the 80's and 90's, so that he could market AZT, which was one of the most toxic substances known to man. But thanks to Fauci, all that was kept a secret until journalists and the AIDS community started outing him.

Check out Celia Farber's book "Serious Adverse Events - An Uncensored History of AIDS".  You'll be blown away by how Fauci is using exactly the same playbook with covid as he did with AIDS.

He's been a real-life Dr. Mengele for many years.  They call him Teflon Tony.

 

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1 hour ago, Boges said:

Everything is a conspiracy. ?

It's funny how there's no time to do proper trials for Ivermectin but the trials done for the vaccine are insufficient. ?

There was no need for a "proper trial".  

It's a drug that's already been proven safe.  We already know the proper dosage, we already know it's an efficient anti-viral, it makes sense that it would be a treatment for covid.

And yes, if you read the trials for the covid vax, they were insufficient.  Why do you think they are only authorized for EU? It's because they had to shortcut and release it to the public with few safety studies and zero long-term studies.

 

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2 hours ago, Boges said:

Not for use treating Covid. 

The point is - it could be used to treat anything any doctor felt it could be used to treat.  Doctors were free to prescribe and use it as necessary - like Tylenol.

Until it was successful - then it had to be eliminated so that the EUA for an experimental drug could happen.

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9 minutes ago, Goddess said:

The point is - it could be used to treat anything any doctor felt it could be used to treat.  Doctors were free to prescribe and use it as necessary - like Tylenol.

Until it was successful - then it had to be eliminated so that the EUA for an experimental drug could happen.

Tylenol is proved to reduce fever. 

What exactly is Ivermectin proven to do? Cite please. 

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6 minutes ago, Boges said:

Tylenol is proved to reduce fever. 

What exactly is Ivermectin proven to do? Cite please. 

FFS

It's an anti-viral/anti-parasitic.  It's been used all over the world as such.  Which is why frontline doctors thought of it right away to treat covid.

Millions of Africans take it weekly to prevent malaria and other viral infections.  They call it "Sunday Sunday" there, it's a part of their life.  Tourists to Africa take it for the same reason.  You can take it indefinitely with no adverse effects.  The patent on it expired a long time ago, so anyone can make it.  It costs about 40 cents, there's no  money in it, which is why Big Pharma doesn't want it to be used. 

If you look into Moderna's "new" covid pill - it's basically Ivermectin, with an ingredient twist, which they will sell you for waaaaaaay more than 40 cents, I'm sure.

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Ivermectin is an ionophore - it facilitates zinc uptake in cells, destroying the ability of coronaviruses to replicate.

It has an interferon effect on cells, meaning it responds to the presence of many pathogens like viruses, bacteria, parasites and tumors and causes the other cells in close contact with it to also fight the pathogens.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58170809

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The BBC can reveal that more than a third of 26 major trials of the drug for use on Covid have serious errors or signs of potential fraud. None of the rest show convincing evidence of ivermectin's effectiveness.

Dr Kyle Sheldrick, one of the group investigating the studies, said they had not found "a single clinical trial" claiming to show that ivermectin prevented Covid deaths that did not contain "either obvious signs of fabrication or errors so critical they invalidate the study".

Major problems included:

The same patient data being used multiple times for supposedly different people

Evidence that selection of patients for test groups was not random

Numbers unlikely to occur naturally

Percentages calculated incorrectly

Local health bodies unaware of the studies

 

 

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4 hours ago, Boges said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58170809

 

The BBC can reveal that more than a third of 26 major trials of the drug for use on Covid have serious errors or signs of potential fraud. None of the rest show convincing evidence of ivermectin's effectiveness.

Dr Kyle Sheldrick, one of the group investigating the studies, said they had not found "a single clinical trial" claiming to show that ivermectin prevented Covid deaths that did not contain "either obvious signs of fabrication or errors so critical they invalidate the study".

Major problems included:

The same patient data being used multiple times for supposedly different people

Evidence that selection of patients for test groups was not random

Numbers unlikely to occur naturally

Percentages calculated incorrectly

Local health bodies unaware of the studies

It's all lies, part of big Pharma's agenda to make million$ off the Covid vaccine, don'cha know.

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17 minutes ago, Goddess said:

And the BBC is a medical authority staffed with unbiased scientists?

News to me.....

You never post any studies, just media reporting on studies they want to report on, while ignoring other ones.

They're reporting on the analysis from experts on the study. 

Here's a major study that was retracted for a myriad of issues. 

https://grftr.news/why-was-a-major-study-on-ivermectin-for-covid-19-just-retracted/

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In a June 2021 paper published in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases summarising the current ivermectin research landscape, the authors concluded that it is “not a viable option to treat COVID-19 patients.” Other academics have argued that “research related to ivermectin in COVID-19 has serious methodological limitations resulting in very low certainty of the evidence.” To provide clarity, a team of researchers led by the University of Oxford is currently evaluating the effectiveness of using ivermectin to treat severe COVID-19 in a large clinical trial.

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11 hours ago, dialamah said:

It's all lies, part of big Pharma's agenda to make million$ off the Covid vaccine, don'cha know.

I get the impression that both you and Boges do not want a treatment for covid.

You've totally bought into the Vaccine-ONLY narrative marketed by Big Pharma.

Nothing else will work as a treatment for covid because they don't WANT anything else to work. And neither do you.

You'd rather people die.

For a vaccine that doesn't even work.

My Gawd, over half of the hospitalizations now are vaxxed people.  How much death will make you guys happy?   Apparently not enough yet.

And it's $$billions$$, not millions.

That's a pretty big incentive to make sure no other drug is given any kind of chance, don'cha know.

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5 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I get the impression that both you and Boges do not want a treatment for covid.

You've totally bought into the Vaccine-ONLY narrative marketed by Big Pharma.

Nothing else will work as a treatment for covid because they don't WANT anything else to work. And neither do you.

You'd rather people die.

For a vaccine that doesn't even work.

My Gawd, over half of the hospitalizations now are vaxxed people.  How much death will make you guys happy?   Apparently not enough yet.

And it's $$billions$$, not millions.

That's a pretty big incentive to make sure no other drug is given any kind of chance, don'cha know.

It's funny, the one treatment that was approved by the regulatory bodies is now seen as very dangerous. 

https://health.ucsd.edu/news/releases/Pages/2021-08-02-rethinking-remdesivir.aspx

There are plenty of treatments that work. But you're looking for miracle drugs that should supplant the vaccine. Ivermectin isn't that. 

Cite your claim that half the seriously ill are vaccinated. And even if that was true, the vaccinated are a much bigger part of the population and almost all older vulnerable people are vaxxed. The vaccine is obviously less effective to those with compromised immune systems. 

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15 minutes ago, Boges said:

But you're looking for miracle drugs that should supplant the vaccine. 

No.

Nobody is looking to supplant the vaccine.  As I've stated, those in high risk categories should get it.  Everyone else, it should be their unforced, uncoerced choice.

But Big Pharma has definitely submarined drugs that proved to be successful in early treatments.  

17 minutes ago, Boges said:

Cite your claim that half the seriously ill are vaccinated.

Please.  There's been cite after cite after cite after cite here of places all over the world, including here in Canada where the vaxxed are outnumbering the unvaxxed in hospitals.

At what point are you going to see that the vax isn't doing what it's supposed to do?

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5 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Please.  There's been cite after cite after cite after cite here of places all over the world, including here in Canada where the vaxxed are outnumbering the unvaxxed in hospitals.

Yet you have no citation? 

Ontario regularly publishes these details. 

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/hospitalizations

AND! With approaching 80% of the total population being fully vaxxed, you can't compare actual numbers as the unvaxxed population is much smaller than the vaxxed population. So they are over-representation compared to their percentage of the population. 

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This study, published in the medical journal CHEST, showing a 40% decrease in deaths in critically ill covid patients:

Use of Ivermectin Is Associated With Lower Mortality in Hospitalized Patients With Coronavirus Disease 2019 - CHEST (chestnet.org)

It is listed on NIH's website as being false, not peer-reviewed.

Which is a lie.

They just don't want anyone looking at it.

This is why I don't trust NIH - they lie about studies and what they say.

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On 12/7/2021 at 12:33 PM, Goddess said:

This study, published in the medical journal CHEST, showing a 40% decrease in deaths in critically ill covid patients:

Use of Ivermectin Is Associated With Lower Mortality in Hospitalized Patients With Coronavirus Disease 2019 - CHEST (chestnet.org)

It is listed on NIH's website as being false, not peer-reviewed.

Which is a lie.

They just don't want anyone looking at it.

This is why I don't trust NIH - they lie about studies and what they say.

It's also a flimsy study. Under 200 people, very early in the pandemic. 

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2 hours ago, Boges said:

It's also a flimsy study. Under 200 people, very early in the pandemic. 

When taken with all the other smaller studies and the real-world successes, not so flimsy after all.

And all those smaller studies - conducted in the real world, not a Big Pharma lab, no one has any other agenda, than saving lives.  

 

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