Yzermandius19 Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ProudConservative said: I love hearing the term, but it's not necessary. It's making China really pissed off towards us. China's extremely powerful, and not in a really good mood right now. It doesn't piss China off at all. China is no position to do anything about it, even if it did. Edited March 18, 2020 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ProudConservative Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 Just now, Dougie93 said: Those spike proteins occur in nature, there's nothing backing up the assertion that it is man who inserted into the SARS-Cov From your calculation, what percent chance would you say this is natural? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, ProudConservative said: From your calculation, what percent chance would you say this is natural? 99% That doesn't mean it is not a weapon, I simply don't think it needed to be engineered, the old fashioned way of making bioweapons wasn't broke, no need to fix it, all BW is natural Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) The more likely Chinese nefarious scenario is that they discovered this Super Cold in nature, in China, and were working on it at the lab, and then it broke containment. They weren't telling anybody about it because they discovered this spike protein and did think it was a potential weapon handed to them from nature Because it is zoonotic and so novel, it couldn't actually be traced to them, which makes it so much better than a traceable engineered weapon Edited March 18, 2020 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ProudConservative Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: The more likely Chinese nefarious scenario is that they discovered this Super Cold in nature, in China, and were working on it at the lab, and then it broke containment. They weren't telling anybody about it because they discovered this spike protein and did think it was a potential weapon handed to them from nature Why would any government want to develop a bioweapon? What's wrong with keeping nukes and a traditional military. If you are going to have these kinds of research labs, why not do them on a remote island, instead of being next to a big city. That seems irresponsible to me. China is to blame, but so is Canada, and the US. Have them on an island, so if a worker shows symptoms, it never leaves the island. The only reason they're in cities, is so the workers can have a better lifestyle, but that's a risk, the world shouldn't have to put up with. I have a feeling nothing will change, unless the people really push for it. Bio engineering is getting less difficult as the years ago by, not more difficult, so we need to be more strict and make more precautions. The Canadian government could lead by example, and relocate it's lab from Winnipeg. Edited March 18, 2020 by ProudConservative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 minute ago, ProudConservative said: Why would any government want to develop a bioweapon? To do it before the other guy does it first, so that a) you can develop the vaccines against it, and b) the Balance of Terror is maintained by Mutually Assured Destruction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 Bottom line, Mother Nature is much scarier than the Chinese The spike protein which makes this the Super Cold could mutate and become much better at what it does, just by being in transmission through so many hosts The Super Cold could make itself into the Doomsday Bug without any engineering from man, you never know in a pandemic how many waves there will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 See here? This is H1N1 1919 See the spike ? October of 1919 It got out into transmission, then it mutated into something five times as lethal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 One thing that is eerie is that the governments are now reacting as if this is the Doomsday Bug, there wasn't even this much panic in 1919 Now I would chalk that up to postmodernism None the less, if it was the Doomsday Bug, the government is not going to tell you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 I wonder if the Chinese are still spitting in the street like they use to 20 years ago. Don't spit ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: I wonder if the Chinese are still spitting in the street like they use to 20 years ago. Don't spit ! 30 deaths from 1500 cases; 2% case lethality Comparable. If this Super Cold mutates to go after the young, buckle up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 In nuclear alert terms, this level of alert is comparable to DEFCON 2 They weren't shutting things down like this in the Cuban Missile Crisis, we are beyond even that level of alert now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ProudConservative Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: None the less, if it was the Doomsday Bug, the government is not going to tell you. What scares me, is how little the government did to try and stop this in the begging. Is our government really that incompetent, or are they using the crisis to bring into some form of international control? It sounds like vested interests, want a massive amounts of deaths to take away our freedoms. It's almost like, we're encouraged to become control freaks. Some experts think this sets a very bad precedent. I don't mind going through this once in a lifetime, but I don't want government shutdowns every time there is a new virus. For over 10 years, I've listened to conspiracies about secrete societies and the new world world. I hear stuff like, they believe in killing babies to get power, and all kinds of strange stuff. I can never figure out, if they're good, if they're bad...or anyone in their right mind would want to belong to a secret society. I always through the rumors were from greedy guys wanting to sell books, but it feels very real right about now. Edited March 18, 2020 by ProudConservative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, ProudConservative said: What scares me, is how little the government did to try and stop this in the begging. Is our government really that incompetent, or are they using the crisis to bring into some form of international control? It sounds like vested interests, want a massive amounts of deaths to take away our freedoms. It would be more like they are simply breaking the bad news to people in stages, as to not incite a total panic breakdown of civil order 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, ProudConservative said: What scares me, is how little the government did to try and stop this in the begging. Is our government really that incompetent, or are they using the crisis to bring into some form of international control? They are really that incompetent. Even if they were competent, that wouldn't save anyone unless they contain it in it's early stages, if that is even possible, which we don't even know that it was. Edited March 18, 2020 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ProudConservative Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: It would be more like they are simply breaking the bad news to people in stages, as to not incite a total panic breakdown of civil order If everyone had a basic biosuit, they could stop the exponential growth of this virus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ProudConservative Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: They are really that incompetent. Ok, but there not that incompetent now, except for destroying the economy. If they did 10% of this response back in January, we would have no cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ProudConservative said: Ok, but there not that incompetent now, except for destroying the economy. If they did 10% of this response back in January, we would have no cases. Wishful thinking is a helluva drug, we don't know that shutting it down early was even possible after it broke containment, no matter what measures were taken. They are plenty incompetent now, not as incompetent as China, but plenty incompetent nonetheless. Denmark seems to have the right idea, and the UK is also doing better than most, but most nations are totally incompetent and caving to panic monkey's left and right. Edited March 18, 2020 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ProudConservative Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Dougie93 said: The Super Cold could make itself into the Doomsday Bug without any engineering from man, you never know in a pandemic how many waves there will be. What is a doomsday bug? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, ProudConservative said: If everyone had a basic biosuit, they could stop the exponential growth of this virus. If everyone had a million dollars we'd all be millionares This is like the Cold War, there's a non zero chance that this is the end of the world in progress There's nothing you can do about it so might as well just kick back and enjoy what time you have left before DEFCON 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 Just now, ProudConservative said: What is a doomsday bug? If that protein spike that you posted about were to find another gear, mutate to get better at what it does, that would be . . . bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ProudConservative Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 Just now, Dougie93 said: If everyone had a million dollars we'd all be millionares This is like the Cold War, there's a non zero chance that this is the end of the world in progress There's nothing you can do about it so might as well just kick back and enjoy what time you have left before DEFCON 1 What percent chance this will lead to nuclear war? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ProudConservative Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 If I were in Nunavut, and had all the food and water I need... If there was a mid-scale nuclear war, could I survive the fallout? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: If that protein spike that you posted about were to find another gear, mutate to get better at what it does, that would be . . . bad. Which is why flattening the curve is such a stupid wishful thinking meme. Slowing the spread of the virus among low risk populations reduces the speed at which herd immunity is acquired and it increases the amount of viral generations by stretching out the length of time the virus sticks around, which increases the chances of mutation, which is the only way this virus actually gets really bad. Edited March 18, 2020 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ProudConservative Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Which is why flattening the curve is such a stupid wishful thinking meme. Slowing the spread of the virus among low risk populations reduces the speed at which herd immunity is acquired and it increases the amount of viral generations by stretching out the length of time the virus sticks around. This is why it shouldn't take 18 months to make a vaccine. How is it impossible for the government to come up with a safe vaccine in 3 months? Why not just inject all the hardcore prisoners with a bunch of different vaccines. Chose the vaccine that doesn't have serious side effects, and roll it out. You got people on death row. Offer them a chance at life with TV's and some perks, in exchange for taking a vaccine. Then you don't have to waste precious months with the low dose vaccine trials, worried about all the legal ramifications, if the person gets sick. It would also make vaccine development far more affordable, and we could of had companies started a long time ago. Edited March 18, 2020 by ProudConservative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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