Canada is Broken

[jbg]

On 3/1/2020 at 4:46 PM, Argus said:

Or so says a new poll. Apparently 69% of Canadians feel we're 'broken' and not heading in the right direction.  The poll was mainly about indigenous issues, but I would argue we're broken in many other ways, too.

Even though I am a Yank who knows nothing about Canada I feel a need to weigh in. Canada has always been a disparate country, strung together first by a railroad, and then by a few highways. It has always had a liquidity problem. Notwithstanding the above, it has become an amazing country, punching far above its weight. Canada has problems, as do all countries. Its problems are not nearly as bad as most countries. It remains a good place to live. Broken, hardly.

[Dougie93]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

You surprise me sometimes, knowledgeable in some areas, ignorant in others.  Canada’s contributions are well documented, and we didn’t get all the glory and a seat on the Security Council.  France did.  You should look into the armaments that came out of Canada and the size of the forces.  Again, old news.  We need to fight different challenges today, and only a few of them are military.  Anyway, I’m tired of these rehashes.  Direct your aggravation towards Eyeball.  

Canada's contribution was the same as it ever was, providing cannon fodder to the British Empire so entrenched Canadian corporate interests could get kick backs from London.

The British literally kicked Canada out of the British Empire in 1867 : we are not coming to defend you from the Americans, make a defence pact of your own, sayonara

This however simply caused Canada to chase the British, desperately trying to prove that Canada was still part of the Empire, by charging into the World Wars as cannon fodder.

Canada does not protect you, Canada does not protect your interests, Canada does not protect your rights, Canada is not your nation, Canada is your Pimp.

[Zeitgeist]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Canada's contribution was the same as it ever was, providing cannon fodder to the British Empire so entrenched Canadian corporate interests could get kick backs from London.

The British literally kicked Canada out of the British Empire in 1867 : we are not coming to defend you from the Americans, make a defence pact of your own, sayonara

This however simply caused Canada to chase the British, desperately trying to prove that Canada was still part of the Empire, by charging into the World Wars as cannon fodder.

Canada does not protect you, Canada does not protect your interests, Canada does not protect your rights, Canada is not your nation, Canada is your Pimp.

Just stop.  You ignore the whole history of the lead up to Confederation, which was a long-standing project.  Why keep trying to disparage it, to what end?  Yes the country has given in too far to special interests on the left and tried too hard to please everyone, but if the alternative is Manifest Destiny, most Canadians prefer consensus and reform to obliteration and revolution.  I think America benefits from Canada’s approach, and yes, it’s fucking annoying sometimes.  

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Just stop.  You ignore the whole history of the lead up to Confederation, which was a long-standing project.  Why keep trying to disparage it, to what end?  Yes the country has given in too far to special interests on the left and tried too hard to please everyone, but if the alternative is Manifest Destiny, most Canadians prefer consensus and reform to obliteration and revolution.  I think America benefits from Canada’s approach, and yes, it’s fucking annoying sometimes.  

Nobody in Canada wanted Confederation, it was imposed upon them by London.

In the face of Manifest Destiny, the British wrote Canada off,  they put the "founders" in a room and told them "get lost, America is our real interest, you are not"

And yet still the Canadian rubes charged into Flanders for them, to save the Rubber Terror in the Congo.

Edited March 3, 2020 by Dougie93

[Zeitgeist]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Nobody in Canada wanted Confederation, it was imposed upon them by London.

In the face of Manifest Destiny, the British wrote Canada off,  they put the "founders" in a room and told them "get lost, America is our real interest, you are not"

And yet still the Canadian rubes charged into Flanders for them, to save the Rubber Terror in the Congo.

Not true.  There was much excitement and hope around Confederation, coinciding with the CNR and settlement of the west.  It was a booming, hopeful time.  

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

Not true.  There was much excitement and hope around Confederation, coinciding with the CNR and settlement of the west.  It was a booming, hopeful time.  

Hopefully sent the Mounties out as a death squad to assassinate Louis Riel, the Father of Manitoba, huzzah.

Keep the French in, the Americans out, and the Indians down, is all it ever was, and that is now a manifestly failed state.

[Zeitgeist]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Hopefully sent the Mounties out as a death squad to assassinate Louis Riel, the Father of Manitoba, huzzah.

Keep the French in, the Americans out, and the Indians down, is all it ever was, and that is now a manifestly failed state.

You want to compare histories: slavery, Manifest Destiny, Civil War, segregation, Vietnam.  Quit while you’re ahead.  

[Dougie93]

19 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You want to compare histories: slavery, Manifest Destiny, Civil War, segregation, Vietnam.  Quit while you’re ahead.  

Our history is your history, the British Empire was a slave empire, the British capitulated to the Glorious Union, your role in Vietnam was war profiteers.

George Washington is the father of Canada too, at Jumonville Glen was British North America born.

Again, your greatest contribution was to try to save Belgium, so they could carry on liquidating ten million slaves in the Congo

In 1861, Canada sided with the Confederacy,  and Canada was still fighting for slavery in 1915

ZOMG segregation?   That's pretty rich coming from a people who are still running Bantustans under an apartheid  regime, even to this day.

Don't look now, but your Kaffirs are on the verge of armed revolt against you, again.

Edited March 3, 2020 by Dougie93

[Zeitgeist]

We remember Tecumseh and Joseph Brant, Sir Isaac Brock and the Battle of Queenston Heights, and the land of New Canaan and freedom at the end of the Underground Railroad, Simcoe’s Upper Canada, free of slavery.  Lest we forget Vimy Ridge and the liberation of Holland from Nazism. Long live the Just Society, the Cultural Mosaic, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and peacekeeping!

[Dougie93]

25 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

We remember Tecumseh and Joseph Brant, Sir Isaac Brock and the Battle of Queenston Heights, and the land of New Canaan and freedom at the end of the Underground Railroad, Simcoe’s Upper Canada, free of slavery.  Lest we forget Vimy Ridge and the liberation of Holland from Nazism. Long live the Just Society, the Cultural Mosaic, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and peacekeeping!

None of that applies to the postmodern Post National State founded in 1982, as the Liberals have successfully erased British Canadian history replacing it with their own dogma.

"In all of us command" lolz, they don't even do Peacekeeping !!! anymore.   The Post National State la-la-land has to be isolationist to stave off reality.

They commemorate Vimy Ridge by dismantling the armed forces.  

Canada would have to be liberated by the Dutch now.  Holland being another near peer whose military puts Canada's to shame.

The Cultural Mosaic is just an euphemism for ghettoization.

The Charter has proven to be a Trojan Horse for left wing extremists to impose their lunacy on the provinces from their Ivory Towers in Toronto.

F@ck all that.

Edited March 4, 2020 by Dougie93

[Argus]

2 hours ago, jbg said:

Even though I am a Yank who knows nothing about Canada I feel a need to weigh in. Canada has always been a disparate country, strung together first by a railroad, and then by a few highways. It has always had a liquidity problem. Notwithstanding the above, it has become an amazing country, punching far above its weight. Canada has problems, as do all countries. Its problems are not nearly as bad as most countries. It remains a good place to live. Broken, hardly.

Not sure what you mean by punching above our weight. As far as I can see we don't punch anywhere near our weight in the world. And disparate does not really mean disunited, as we are increasingly seeing today. Sure it's not as bad as in other countries. That doesn't mean it's not going in the wrong direction, however. I have watched the disunity grow over the decades, mainly as a result of the smarmy leftist contempt for western cultural values and traditions and their determination to sweep them away in favour of... of... well, nothing. When Trudeau proudly says Canada has no core identity and is a 'post nation state' he's a representative of that way of thinking. It's the thinking that nations are bad, that patriotism or nationalism are bad. That it's great to just be a state that isn't even a nation, where anyone can come and comfortably settle in simply because there's nothing here that will offend them or require them to change their ways.

[taxme]

22 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Well it’s onwards and upwards for Canada.  Whole new communities are being designed according to R2000 and LEED standards.  Rapid transit is expanding and Canada’s tech sector is booming.  Toronto is still the fastest developing city by far.  It’s a lot of change, not all good.  Immigration is driving a good part of it, but people want to be in tolerant Canada, which still has an open stance globally.  The US is turning inwards and stoking fear.  We are also dealing with those forces here.  The political spectrum is polarizing under the extinction menace, which isn’t unlike the Red Menace and similar demons of the past.  We have to deal with them but not let fear make us less civilized.  Coronavirus doesn’t help.  

The only thing that is growing fast in Toronto is the population of new immigrants, legal and illegal ones. That is what is developing the fastest in Toronto. Just the other day, Doug Ford was asking the french controlled federal government in da Attawa that he will need at least another 77 million tax dollars to try and solve their immigration problems that the libranos have created. The leftists libranos in this country are way out of whack in their way of non-thinking. With those people common sense and logic has been thrown out the window a long, long time ago. Most probably believe that if you told them that money really does grow on trees, they would believe it. 

If you think that immigration is so great, why then are there approx 1.8 million Canadians unemployed? Why is Doug Ford trying to get more tax dollars from da Attawa re: immigrants? Canada needs less new immigrants, not the hundreds of thousands of new ones that this buffoon of a leader plans on bringing into Canada in the next year.  Ontario and Quebec have done more to try and destroy this country with their multiculturalism and diversity than the Western Canada could ever possibly do in a hundred years. 

The US is on the move, while Canada stagnates. You believe too much in what the liars in the Canadian media keeps telling you. People like yourself cannot seem to get it in their heads that more immigration means more medical and social services will be required. More infrastructure meaning more construction of homes and businesses, more vehicles on the road, more gridlock, more plastic needed, and more damage to the environment. But yet these do not seem to factor in with liberals at all. They just believe that the more immigrants we keep bringing in the better it will be for Canada. There is a red menace living in Canada today and it is for real. The red menace appears to be our dear leaders in Ottawa who are trying to wreck this once great nation in red controlled Ottawa. The chit that they keep proposing as new laws or regulations is beyond belief. Deplorable gang of nothing. 

[taxme]

22 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Toronto Emperors rule the rest of Canada as their untermensch colonies, who knew ?

 

I can just picture of a bunch of la-la-la liberals singing that song as they smoke their joints. Like hey man, have you seen where I dropped my joint? LOL. 

[taxme]

22 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

That’s bullshit.  It’s a marriage of convenience for both countries.  We’re each other’s biggest export market.  We do rely too much on the US for our exports and military, but Canadians have paid a lot for that relationship too.  Taking those 40,000 plus refugees was a substantial contribution, and the help has been there for America on many missions that primarily suited US interests against America’s enemies.  The diplomacy helped too.  Ask the former American hostages who escaped Iran.  I don’t complain either because Canada benefits from this relationship too.  Just don’t paint it as parasitic because that’s a lie.  Canada without America would probably be similar to Australia.  You can’t separate America out of the equation.  Our histories are connected and our fates tied together, for better and worse.  Don’t dump on the country that fed you. 

How or where has it benefitted Canada in anyway substantially by bringing in those unneeded or unwanted 40,000 refugees? Show me as to where they have helped to make Canada great again? How many are working or how many are on welfare? Give me some numbers, will you? I need answers from you. Personally, I think that those 40,000 refugees have not done anything all that great for Canada. Matter of fact, I believe that they will help contribute to Canada to continue on it's merry way to be broken even more. Liberalism???? 

[taxme]

21 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Our history is your history, the British Empire was a slave empire, the British capitulated to the Glorious Union, your role in Vietnam was war profiteers.

George Washington is the father of Canada too, at Jumonville Glen was British North America born.

Again, your greatest contribution was to try to save Belgium, so they could carry on liquidating ten million slaves in the Congo

In 1861, Canada sided with the Confederacy,  and Canada was still fighting for slavery in 1915

ZOMG segregation?   That's pretty rich coming from a people who are still running Bantustans under an apartheid  regime, even to this day.

Don't look now, but your Kaffirs are on the verge of armed revolt against you, again.

Why do just about all of these ANTIFA terrorists refuse to expose their terrorist commie faces? What are they afraid of? If they have to cover up their faces then they must have something to hide. As it would appear right now, they all have something to fear or hide, the rotten bunch of commie cowards. Those commies are the reason why Canada is fast becoming a broken down country. They are allowed to go out there and are pretty much are allowed to blackmail a country. There appears to be no law and order any more in Canada. Just communist anarchy and mayhem. The way things look these days, it is the law abiding citizen's who appear to be the ones that can be arrested for committing a crime. The lawless are getting a free pass. There is definitely something wrong with this Canadian picture alright today. The picture is hanging too far over to the left! The picture of Canada does really need some real and true conservative Trump like touch up. 

[Dougie93]

13 minutes ago, taxme said:

Why do just about all of these ANTIFA terrorists refuse to expose their terrorist commie faces? What are they afraid of? If they have to cover up their faces then they must have something to hide. As it would appear right now, they all have something to fear or hide, the rotten bunch of commie cowards.

America does not view anonymity as cowardice,  Minutemen need not reveal their identities to the Redcoats, a Stamp Act shall not stand.

The Mohawks are not the commies, the Canadians are the commies, the Mohawks are just trying to sell their tobacco, while Canadian commies try to stop them

The Mohawks are the free market,  Canadian commies are the ones trying to keep an Iron Curtain up against that.

Edited March 4, 2020 by Dougie93

[taxme]

14 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

America does not view anonymity as cowardice,  Minutemen need not reveal their identities to the Redcoats, a Stamp Act shall not stand.

The Mohawks are not the commies, the Canadians are the commies, the Mohawks are just trying to sell their tobacco, while Canadian commies try to stop them

The Mohawks are the free market,  Canadian commies are the ones trying to keep an Iron Curtain up against that.

The libranos have been trying to put up an iron Curtain over all of we the people for several decades now. And what is so strange about it all is that there are some of those we the people out there in Canada land who seem to be in favor of having an Iron Curtain wrapped around them. Why else would they have voted for this present day librano leader in the last election?

Thanks Toronto. Thanks BC. Thanks the Maritimes for trying to allow this librano leader of yours to get that Iron Curtain quickly put up asap. Well done. Good job. 

[Dougie93]

16 minutes ago, taxme said:

The libranos have been trying to put up an iron Curtain over all of we the people for several decades now. And what is so strange about it all is that there are some of those we the people out there in Canada land who seem to be in favor of having an Iron Curtain wrapped around them. Why else would they have voted for this present day librano leader in the last election?

Thanks Toronto. Thanks BC. Thanks the Maritimes for trying to allow this librano leader of yours to get that Iron Curtain quickly put up asap. Well done. Good job. 

The Tories were actually the ones who raised the Iron Curtain against American freedom, otherwise known as Confederation, otherwise known as "Canada"

The opposition to both the Conservatives & the Liberals was the Anti-Confederation Party

Led by Joseph Howe of Hants County Nova Scotia, where my family has lived, since 1781

 

Edited March 4, 2020 by Dougie93

[taxme]

22 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

The Tories were actually the ones who raised the Iron Curtain against American freedom, otherwise known as Confederation, otherwise known as "Canada"

The opposition to both the Conservatives & the Liberals was the Anti-Confederation Party

Led by Joseph Howe of Hants County Nova Scotia, where my family has lived, since 1781

 

Other than the People's Party of Canada, the rest of those Iron Curtain political party's can go take a hike. Before old man Trudeau came along, Canada was pretty much in very good shape. Now Canada is pretty much bankrupt, divided, and heading for a big diversity fall. As I have mentioned many times before here, after 40 years of Trudeau's french socialist policies for Canada we can now see today that our British/European culture is about to be replaced by many foreign invading culture ones who have no real love for Canada.

Your Nova Scotia history and culture and traditions will soon be set aside as not all that important anymore or it may even be replaced of gone in another couple of decades at most by the many, many new foreign born multicultural cultures immigrating to Canada. It's inevitable. It will happen because the descendants of those British/European people appear to not give a dam about their history or heritage. If it dies, so what, who cares.

You joined the military to fight for and even ready to die to protect and save Canada from foreign invasion. Well, it looks like you will lose all that effort that you and others put into it. Your attitude that this country can pretty much go to hell is the main reason why it will happen. There are many thousands of other patriotic nationalist Canadian soldiers out there who are willing to fight and take a stand for Canada, and try to keep that Iron Curtain from being placed around Canada or for Canada to lose it's British/European culture. There is a battle going on in Canada. Sadly, you prefer not to join that battle. But if we cannot win that battle than I am in agreement with you that let Canada burn and go to hell. But until that day comes, it is onward Christian soldier. 

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, taxme said:

Other than the People's Party of Canada, the rest of those Iron Curtain political party's can go take a hike. Before old man Trudeau came along, Canada was pretty much in very good shape. Now Canada is pretty much bankrupt, divided, and heading for a big diversity fall. As I have mentioned many times before here, after 40 years of Trudeau's french socialist policies for Canada we can now see today that our British/European culture is about to be replaced by many foreign invading culture ones who have no real love for Canada.

Your Nova Scotia history and culture and traditions will soon be set aside as not all that important anymore or it may even be replaced of gone in another couple of decades at most by the many, many new foreign born multicultural cultures immigrating to Canada. It's inevitable. It will happen because the descendants of those British/European people appear to not give a dam about their history or heritage. If it dies, so what, who cares.

You joined the military to fight for and even ready to die to protect and save Canada from foreign invasion. Well, it looks like you will lose all that effort that you and others put into it. Your attitude that this country can pretty much go to hell is the main reason why it will happen. There are many thousands of other patriotic nationalist Canadian soldiers out there who are willing to fight and take a stand for Canada, and try to keep that Iron Curtain from being placed around Canada or for Canada to lose it's British/European culture. There is a battle going on in Canada. Sadly, you prefer not to join that battle. But if we cannot win that battle than I am in agreement with you that let Canada burn and go to hell. But until that day comes, it is onward Christian soldier. 

Nova Scotia history and traditions are already gone with the rest of Canada, but I've made peace with it and moved on, moved on back to whence the United Empire Loyalists of Upper Canada came, back to the Declaration of Independence preamble and associated light of civilization itself,  with the Father of British North America, General George Washington.

 

[taxme]

11 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Nova Scotia history and traditions are already gone with the rest of Canada, but I've made peace with it and moved on, moved on back to whence the United Empire Loyalists of Upper Canada came, back to the Declaration of Independence preamble and associated light of civilization itself,  with the Father of British North America, General George Washington.

 

We can only thank all those liberals living in Toronto, BC and the Maritimes for the loss of your history and traditions. In another decade or so, we will probably see all of our Canadian history and traditions gone. It's hard to want to make peace with your enemies. Those liberals even went as far to and allow the picture of the first prime minister of Canada be taken off our ten dollar Canadian dollar(peso)bill. Loyalty to this country is pretty much gone thanks to liberalism that has done a fine job of breaking down the old Canada. 

[Dougie93]

11 minutes ago, taxme said:

We can only thank all those liberals living in Toronto, BC and the Maritimes for the loss of your history and traditions. In another decade or so, we will probably see all of our Canadian history and traditions gone. It's hard to want to make peace with your enemies. Those liberals even went as far to and allow the picture of the first prime minister of Canada be taken off our ten dollar Canadian dollar(peso)bill. Loyalty to this country is pretty much gone thanks to liberalism that has done a fine job of breaking down the old Canada. 

It was the indeed liberals in Halifax who tore down the monument to Cornwallis

Even his nemesis George Washington would never have done that, in fact Cornwallis did right by America, by surrendering honorably at Yorktown rather than force a massacre.

Edited March 5, 2020 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

At the end of the day, this Post National State is held together by nothing more than an irrational fear, loathing, and resentment of the greatest country in the history of the world.

Not only is that not worth killing and dying for, it's not even worth voting for anymore.

[SkyHigh]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

Nova Scotia history and traditions are already gone

You mean the Acadian traditions developed by being the first that settled there, or the scared British tradition that threatened the women and children to deport them?

[Dougie93]

30 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

You mean the Acadian traditions developed by being the first that settled there, or the scared British tradition that threatened the women and children to deport them?

My people were the one's who drove the Acadians out, but the Acadian culture persists in America whence they were driven, in Louisiana.