Pipeline protestors need to be jailed

[taxme]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Not the same thing...and certainly not derived from the "Miranda" decision in a foreign country.   Protestors should know the difference.

 

 

Most of those stupid protesters do not even know what they are protesting against. Canada has truly become a stupid country and most of it's citizen's have become pretty much stupid. The problem with those stupid people is that they cannot think straight for themselves. They have allowed the fake and lying globalist media to do the stupid thinking for them. We know that there are many stupid people in Canada. Look at who they voted for and put back in power in the last election again?

Anyone with some intelligence would see that this present day prime mistake of Canada is totally clueless as to how to run a country. The word stupid may have to be replaced soon with the word insane because it does appear as though a tiny minority of insane people have been allowed to take over the insane asylum that Canada is fast becoming today. These people are starting to drive the sane ones nuts now. Scary chit. 

[Dougie93]

The Post National State is not so much stupid as it is silly

It's not a question of intellect, "Canada" has simply become infantilizing

Edited March 7, 2020 by Dougie93

[Zeitgeist]

44 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Not the same thing...and certainly not derived from the "Miranda" decision in a foreign country.   Protestors should know the difference.

 

 

Where did you get your quote?  We do indeed have those rights enshrined in the Charter.  They’re also old Common Law actually.  An arrest can be thrown out if your right to remain silent and your right to an attorney isn’t read to you.  Americans can also speak to police without legal representation.  It’s a choice as in Canada.  
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_silence

“Under the Charter, an arrested person has the right:

• To be informed promptly of the reasons therefor.
• To retain and instruct counsel without delay and be informed of that right.
• To have the validity of the detention determined by way of habeas corpus and to be released if the detention is not lawful.

The Canadian Charter warning reads (varies by police service): "You are under arrest for _________ (charge); do you understand? You have the right to retain and instruct counsel without delay. We will provide you with a toll-free telephone lawyer referral service, if you do not have your own lawyer. Anything you do say can and will be used in court as evidence. Do you understand? Would you like to speak to a lawyer?" (See: R. v. Hebert [1990] 2 S.C.R. 151.)“

 

Edited March 7, 2020 by Zeitgeist

[bush_cheney2004]

14 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Where did you get your quote?  We do indeed have those rights enshrined in the Charter.  They’re also old Common Law actually.  An arrest can be thrown out if your right to remain silent and your right to an attorney isn’t read to you.  Americans can also speak to police without legal representation.  It’s a choice as in Canada.

 

You completely missed the point...some Canadians actually demand their "Miranda" rights because that's what they learned and imported from U.S. media/cop shows on television.

Charter rights are not Miranda rights.

 

[taxme]

21 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

The Post National State is not so much stupid as it is silly

It's not a question of intellect, "Canada" has simply become infantilizing

The stupid thing that Trudeau did was to call Canada a "post national state". Who the hell ever told this buffoon that he could go over the heads of the taxpayer's of Canada and call Canada a PNS country?  Our politicians appear to have this air of arrogance about them where they have always been allowed to treat the taxpayer's of this country with contempt and have acted like the taxpayer's of the country know nothing and they are nothing more than a a bunch of stupid infants that must be told what to do and how this country will run and no one dare question their stupid and silly programs or motives. The PNS is stupid and silly. But then again, that is what Canada has become today. A post national stupid and silly state. Those pipeline protester terrorists are proving that alright. Our politicians appear to not know what to do when they see anarchy happening right in front of their silly and stupid faces. What else can anyone say about Canada except that it has truly become stupid and silly. Just my opinion of course. 

[taxme]

4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

You completely missed the point...some Canadians actually demand their "Miranda" rights because that's what they learned and imported from U.S. media/cop shows on television.

Charter rights are not Miranda rights.

 

Some Canadians even believe that they have the right to own and bear arms or have a right to their freedom of expression. Canadians are led to believe that we have those rights. I do not believe that in the Charter of Rights or Wrongs that Canadians have a right to bear arms. And their right to their so called freedom of expression is all mostly left up to interpretation. It can say in the COR that you have a right to do or say this, but some judge or politician can come along and interpret it and say that you do not have a right to this and make it appear as though it means something else. Everything is just a guessing game in Canada. This is Canada, don't you know. A fun place to live if one is a child. 

[Dougie93]

16 minutes ago, taxme said:

The stupid thing that Trudeau did was to call Canada a "post national state".

He was simply speaking the truth of the matter.

[jacee]

On 3/6/2020 at 10:36 AM, Army Guy said:

Now that is a liberal type answer, once again how did your rights trump those of others, want to protest then fine take it to the people you have a beef with federal and provincial governments door steps, or their homes, etc...you really think your going to garner more citizens support by blocking rail lines, bridges, etc.... your wrong, it does not work that way. 

Indigenous people don't seem to be having any problem gaining the support of a majority of Canadians  because we all know that it is our governments' failure to do their job that has brought things to this point. 

(Conservatives are a minority, and even some of them understand that government incompetence is the problem.) 

[Zeitgeist]

18 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

He was simply speaking the truth of the matter.

Trudeau was trying to get at a new rules-based state that isn’t anchored by ethno-nationalist baggage, but it’s not realistic these days, nor is it entirely desirable if you’re importing and empowering forces that are very much about ethno-nationalism that may work against liberal-democratic values. What’s more, it’s actually a form of American Republicanism or perhaps a purer Greek form of democracy Trudeau is touting, but the reason nation-states formed was around ethnic and geographic connections. Democracy came later.  I’m not sure it’s wise or advisable to shed all of our roots, as they are foundational, even of democracy itself, which has its antecedents in Judeo-Christian values, Greece polity, Roman institutions, and more recent moves like Magna Carter and various constitutions of modern western civilizations.  

Edited March 7, 2020 by Zeitgeist

[taxme]

1 minute ago, jacee said:

Indigenous people don't seem to be having any problem gaining the support of a majority of Canadians  because we all know that it is our governments' failure to do their job that has brought things to this point. 

(Conservatives are a minority, and even some of them understand that government incompetence is the problem.) 

Canada has become a totally incompetent country. Those terrorists that are supporting the Indians are only there to do G. Soros job of trying to destroy and deindustrialize Canada and pretty much try to turn Canada back into pretty much an Indian hell hole. The conservative party is on board with it all. It's easy for Scheer to get up in parliament and demand that Trudeau do something, but if Scheer were in power, he would be just as lost in the woods as Trudeau is. I don't know what to do? Help somebody help me, I don't know what to do. Conservatives will always be in a minority from this day on. One might as well vote for the liberals because the conservative party appears to be just another liberal party in conservative clothing and would be just as incompetent as the liberals are. 

It's not so much to try and blame the government but it is more like we all should be blaming the Indians. They have been given hundreds of billions of out tax dollars over the years, and yet they still cry poverty and being hard done by. I would be happy as a pig in chit if I could get the government to give me a million tax dollars tomorrow. I would forever shut my mouth, and that is what these Indians should be doing also. Shut their mouths. They have it a lot better now since the British/European people came along. Stop your bloody whining and get on with life like the rest of us have too do every day. Geez, some people's kids. Never happy.  

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Trudeau was trying to get at a new rules-based state that isn’t anchored by ethno-nationalist baggage, but it’s not realistic these days, nor is it entirely desirable if you’re importing and empowering forces that are very much about ethno-nationalism. 

As Canada was founded entirely along ethno-nationalist lines, he was simply acknowledging that Canada is dead and the American monoculture has replaced it.

You said he is like Trump, and that is true, the Liberals have made themselves into Americanizd populists like Trump, they are simply the farm team for the Democrat Party

[Zeitgeist]

9 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

As Canada was founded entirely along ethno-nationalist lines, he was simply acknowledging that Canada is dead and the American monoculture has replaced it.

You said he is like Trump, and that is true, the Liberals have made themselves into Americanizd populists like Trump, they are simply the farm team for the Democrat Party

Trudeau Senior had a different Canada in mind.

We should be proud of the English, French, and Indigenous histories, recognizing the constitutional protections of the founding cultures.  Multiculturalism is supplemental to this, not a replacement.  We need to stop privileging diversity.  That’s the equity scam.  It should be about equality, not trying to assess how much access and money someone deserves based on their level of historic victimhood, at least with regard to past generations who are no longer alive.  

Edited March 7, 2020 by Zeitgeist

[jacee]

On 3/6/2020 at 12:01 PM, Argus said:

SHANGHAI (Reuters) - China raised its coal-fired power capacity by 42.9 gigawatts (GW), or about 4.5%, in the 18 months to June, connecting new projects to the grid at a time when capacity in the rest of the world shrank, according to a study published on Wednesday.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-climate-change-china-coal/china-coal-fired-power-capacity-still-rising-bucking-global-trend-study-idUSKBN1XU07Y

Notice: Nothing about gas in there, just coal and renewables.

To cut pollution and greenhouse gas emissions, China has promised an “energy revolution” aimed at dramatically reducing its reliance on coal. It cut coal’s share of the country’s total energy from 68% in 2012 to 59% last year, and researchers predict it will fall to 55.3% by 2020.

Absolute coal consumption, however, has continued to increase in line with a rise in overall Chinese energy demand.

Gas was being pushed as the "cleaner burning"  steppingstone from coal to renewables. However recent information is changing those plans, because it is now known that methane leaks throughout the production-use process mean that gas is as bad or worse than burning coal. 

 

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Trudeau Senior had a different Canada in mind.

Justin is more Maggie than Pierre.  The flaw in the PET plan was that entirely hinged on Canadian Caesar staring everybody down, forever.

[Zeitgeist]

Just now, Dougie93 said:

Justin is more Maggie than Pierre.  The flaw in the PET plan was that entirely hinged on Canadian Caesar staring everybody down, forever.

Agreed.  No one could sustain his vision.  Mulroney was pretty good.  

[jacee]

6 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

This farce of radical activists shutting down cleaner energy distribution such as pipelines, and killing relatively clean energy options like natural gas, will delay real greenhouse gas emissions reductions and eliminate job opportunities for the country’s most vulnerable, including the Indigenous.  

Gas is not cleaner than coal. (See above, google 'methane leaks', etc)

Stop your pretense of speaking for Indigenous people. You speak nonsense. It's extremely offensive.

[Zeitgeist]

6 minutes ago, jacee said:

Gas is not cleaner than coal. (See above, google 'methane leaks', etc)

Stop your pretense of speaking for Indigenous people. You speak nonsense. It's extremely offensive.

Grow up.  Natural gas is much cleaner than coal.  One paragraph referencing leaks doesn’t replace 1000’s of well documented articles.  Go back to school.  Stop pretending to speak for Indigenous.  You’re their grim reeper, keeping them poor under your favoured reserve apartheid with no resource development jobs.    

Edited March 7, 2020 by Zeitgeist

[Zeitgeist]

Natural gas is a fossil fuel, though theglobal warming emissions from its combustion are much lower than those from coal or oil. Natural gas emits 50 to 60 percent less carbon dioxide (CO2) when combusted in a new, efficient natural gas power plant compared with emissions from a typical new coal plant.

It’s not just about greenhouse gasses.  Coal includes nitrous oxides and additional toxins that have negative respiratory effects. 

[jacee]

9 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Grow up.  Natural gas is much cleaner than coal.  One paragraph referencing leaks doesn’t replace 1000’s of well documented articles.  Go back to school.  Stop pretending to speak for Indigenous.  You’re their grim reeper, keeping them poor under your favoured reserve apartheid.  

You are wrong about gas. This is recent information. Google it. It's leaking, not burning that is the problem.

The tide is turning against gas.

I don't presume to tell Indigenous people what is best for them. That's a very patronizing and authoritarian manner. A lot of evil has been done that way.

I support Indigenous concerns and actions because our governments are the problem.

Edited March 7, 2020 by jacee

[Zeitgeist]

11 minutes ago, jacee said:

You are wrong about gas. This is recent information. Google it. It's leaking, not burning that is the problem.

The tide is turning against gas.

I don't presume to tell Indigenous people what is best for them. That's a very patronizing and authoritarian manner. A lot of evil has been done that way.

I support Indigenous concerns and actions because our governments are the problem.

Natural gas is substantially cleaner that burning coal or oil.  Just switching coal burning power generation to natural gas would slash greenhouse gasses significantly.  You can’t provide that amount of reliable power with renewables unless your patch of Earth is blessed with multiple watercourses and changes in elevation.  

Government are the leaders that voters decide should lead, nothing more nor less.  

Edited March 7, 2020 by Zeitgeist

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, jacee said:

You are wrong about gas. This is recent information. Google it. It's leaking, not burning that is the problem.

The tide is turning against gas.

I don't presume to tell Indigenous people what is best for them. That's a very patronizing and authoritarian manner. A lot of evil has been done that way.

I support Indigenous concerns and actions because our governments are the problem.

One can fix leaks.  It's a good way of combating climate change.  Fix the leaks in natural gas production and replace coal with it as much as possible.  I could get right behind that.

I also would never presume to tell indigenous people what is best for them.  That's why I support those who want the pipeline.  They seem to know what they are doing.  They don't need outsiders telling them what's good for them.

[Dougie93]

30 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

  Mulroney was pretty good.  

Not for your Confederacy which won the war and lived to tell the tale.

Free Trade was the final nail in the coffin of Keep the Americans Out

It was a three legged stool, Keep the Americans Out was just as critical as Keep the French in and Keep the Indians down

[DogOnPorch]

23 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

One can fix leaks.  It's a good way of combating climate change.  Fix the leaks in natural gas production and replace coal with it as much as possible.  I could get right behind that.

I also would never presume to tell indigenous people what is best for them.  That's why I support those who want the pipeline.  They seem to know what they are doing.  They don't need outsiders telling them what's good for them.

 

Her leaking issue refers to ConEd and a few outfits that handle major US cities on the East Coast...old leaky systems. Very old leaky systems...

Here in Canada leaks are generally not accepted and if one had one...one would know it as it STINKS due to Bromine/Methanethiol additives..

Edited March 7, 2020 by DogOnPorch

[Zeitgeist]

25 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Not for your Confederacy which won the war and lived to tell the tale.

Free Trade was the final nail in the coffin of Keep the Americans Out

It was a three legged stool, Keep the Americans Out was just as critical as Keep the French in and Keep the Indians down

I’ve never had a problem with letting the Americans in. In fact, I advocate free movement of labour and unlimited residency for Canadians and Americans. When in Rome do as the Romans do. Respect the laws and don’t expect to vote or access public services unless you immigrate. 
 

I think almost all Canadians want to see Indigenous thrive.  It’s all in the how, which Indigenous will have to decide for themselves.  I think the answers are obvious, but it would mean scrapping the Indian Act and weening communities off of unsustainable funding models that rely on outside support, that don’t require taxation or contributing to the means of that support.  
 

The French are our reality.  They will persist as an ethno-national entity, and they are core to Canada, as co-founding peoples. 

Edited March 8, 2020 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I’ve never had a problem with letting the Americans in. In fact, I advocate free movement of labour and unlimited residency for Canadians and Americans.

America has the best of both worlds, take the best and leave the rest, while driving the economic migrants across the border into the frozen socialist welfare gulag no man's land