Pipeline protestors need to be jailed

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, taxme said:

Now I know the main reason as to why there are so many zombie looking dead people still walking around here in Canada. The question now is why have they not all fallen down yet. Lol. 

Their provinces are the only things functioning,  hence why they haven't noticed yet that Confederation is gone. 

The Indians however,  don't live in the provinces,  hence why they have noticed.

[Zeitgeist]

Well the end of Confederation and the Crown would mean the end of treaty obligations.  The Quebec sovereigntists have always liked this idea.  It would get even more individualistic than that without the provinces.  Toronto councillors have often mused about ceceding from the province.  Imagine how rich the city would be, keeping its provincial and federal taxes or scrapping them.  Subways everywhere.  The Toronto Charter.  

[Shady]

17 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Didn't Harper do exactly this just 7 years ago.  I guess if someone hates Trudeau enough they hate the things he does even if Harper did them too.

Perhaps you should link to something then.

[Argus]

16 hours ago, jacee said:

I expect the Crown to consult with the Aboriginal rights holders for the whole territory. It's the law. 

BC refused ... quite rudely.

 From the BC court injunction ruling 2019 BCSC 2264, para. 152:

"...the defendants [hereditary chiefs] chose not to engage in consultation with the plaintiff [Coastal Gas] or to challenge the permits and authorizations when they were issued."

Bit late now, most people would say. Most might ask why they never engaged in consultation or made any effort to challenge the permits and authorizations before. Maybe the money didn't filter down to their pockets from the Tides Foundation until after that was too late.

Edited February 19, 2020 by Argus

[Argus]

15 hours ago, jacee said:

Immature hotheads like Scheer are not useful when there's real work to be done. 

You mean immature people like Trudeau can't stand it when anyone disagrees with them. Trudeau has amply demonstrated his extreme intolerance to different views than his, both within his party, and from those outside the party. It's no wonder he admires China's dictatorship. He wishes he had one himself.

[Argus]

35 minutes ago, Shady said:

Perhaps you should link to something then.

There was a native blocade on a rail line near Sarnia that went on for a bit, but that was on a small section of track which mainly ran between Sarnia and the United States, and was on native land. So it didn't create the same degree of urgency and there was at least some justification. The current blockade is on a main line, not on native land and isn't even about anything involving the Mohawks. Nor is it authorized by the Mohawk leadership.

[Grand Mal]

10 hours ago, taxme said:

Bloody white trash is what they are. All brought up on white bleeding heart guilt ridden leftist liberal bull chit propaganda. As long as this country remains under the control and influence of liberalism this country will only get worse. The liberals and the NDP socialists gave us these school conditioned and trained anti-pipeline white scum zombies. They are part of the George Soros gang of commie thugs who are trying to de-industrialize Canada. And our dear leaders are going along with these eco terrorists. Hell, even Scheer would not do a dam thing about this pipeline fiasco. Scheer is probably in bed with Soros just like emperor Trudeau is. When the law is pushed aside, tyranny will soon follow. It looks like that tyranny is here in Canada now. 

Like I said, sounds like there's drama queens on both sides of the issue.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Shady said:

Perhaps you should link to something then.

 

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On December 30, as part of a day of nationwide actions, a group believed to be involved^[who?] with Idle No More blocked the Canadian National main railway line 

On January 4, 2013, Prime Minister Harper announced a meeting with a delegation of First Nation leaders coordinated by the Assembly of First Nations (AFN), to follow up on the issues discussed during the Crown-First Nations Gathering on January 24, 2012. His statement announcing the meeting made no mention of Idle No More.^[69] The meeting was held on January 11, 2013.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idle_No_More

[Shady]

7 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idle_No_More

Perfect.  After reading about the incident, I wouldn't say Harper has done exactly what Trudeau has done now.  Trudeau seems to have washed his hands of the whole thing.

[Dougie93]

6 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Well the end of Confederation and the Crown would mean the end of treaty obligations.  The Quebec sovereigntists have always liked this idea.  It would get even more individualistic than that without the provinces.  Toronto councillors have often mused about ceceding from the province.  Imagine how rich the city would be, keeping its provincial and federal taxes or scrapping them.  Subways everywhere.  The Toronto Charter.  

You build Canada to wit Confederation up to be something that it is not.

Australia & New Zealand are both the British Crown without being in Confederation with one another, and Sidney has not ceded from New South Wales.

[Zeitgeist]

3 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

You build Canada to wit Confederation up to be something that it is not.

Australia & New Zealand are both the British Crown without being in Confederation with one another, and Sidney has not ceded from New South Wales.

Why not just go full on feudal?  City states with local food supplies and armed constabularies?

See the problem?  The expense of Canada is servicing the hinterland.  

Edited February 19, 2020 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Why not just go full on feudal?  City stated with local food supplies and armed constabularies?

See the problem?  The expense of Canada is servicing the hinterland.  

Servicing The Hinterland = Keep The Indians Down.

Failed State.

Eskimo Communist Zombie Legacy Project.

[Argus]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

On December 30, as part of a day of nationwide actions, a group believed to be involved^[who?] with Idle No More blocked the Canadian National main railway line 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idle_No_More

Uhm, it's usually better not to cut off quotes mid-sentence.

The entirety of the sentence is: On December 30, as part of a day of nationwide actions, a group believed to be involved^[who?] with Idle No More blocked the Canadian National main railway line between the country's two largest cities of Toronto and Montreal at a point near Belleville, Ontario for approximately three hours.

Three hours vs two weeks... not quite comparable.

Edited February 19, 2020 by Argus

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

Servicing The Hinterland = Keep The Indians Down.

Failed State.

Eskimo Communist Zombie Legacy Project.

So what, you think the Yanks want to take care of the hinterland and Crown treaty obligations?  They had their wars and revolution.  This Green fascist privileging of selected pure ethnic groups is real.  Their land and way of life are to be protected and provided for by the taxpaying public.  Taxes are for taxpayer- workers, including Green taxes to keep the land pure for those who don’t have to get their hands dirty with pipelines and taxes.  It’s the lot of Canada, apparently, to accept this arrangement because, “colonialism”.

Edited February 19, 2020 by Zeitgeist

[Michael Hardner]

4 hours ago, Shady said:

Perfect.  After reading about the incident, I wouldn't say Harper has done exactly what Trudeau has done now.  Trudeau seems to have washed his hands of the whole thing.

I think there are differences but most of them are in tone IMO.

[Dougie93]

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

So what, you think the Yanks want to take care of the hinterland and Crown treaty obligations?

The Eskimos can take care of themselves, no Eskimo Communism required. 

[bush_cheney2004]

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

So what, you think the Yanks want to take care of the hinterland and Crown treaty obligations? 

 

Please keep us out of it....it is fun to watch the colonial soap opera that never ends.

[scribblet]

8 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idle_No_More

First off I don't hate anyone, that word is bandied around far too much so please don't impute that I do.

I don't see the similarity to the blockades and a pipeline the majority want. 

 

[scribblet]

  Former CBC Ottawa reporter: "Unless JT quickly finds a miracle exit from the Indigenous crisis, one will have rarely seen the leadership of a PM crumble so quickly. The pressure of provincial premiers illustrates his incapacity and the limits of reconciliation rhetoric."

The Wet'suwet'en occupation website lets people apply for a "travel grant" to visit the "camp" (the protest site) for "2 weeks or more." They are openly paying protesters.

 

Edited February 20, 2020 by scribblet

[Moonlight Graham]

Trudeau and the premiers let natives hijack vital transportation infrastructure and let migrants from the US stream over the border and the Chinese take free birth tours.  Stop letting people push us around and defend the damn country you bunch of wusses.

[Zeitgeist]

The seeds of this mess were sown by an overblown and ridiculous notion that somehow all injustices of the past, especially the distant past, can be laid at the feet of present-day Canadians, half of whom came to this country within the past 50 years, or their parents/grandparents did.  It’s all centred around this dysfunctional idea that certain people (Indigenous) are owed something for nothing.  What a farce.  Marry this ethnocentric idea of racially pure original peoples (Aboriginal) with environmental extremism, to purify free land for select races.  Taxpaying workers have to pay for this scheme, especially if the Green fascists pile on additional Green taxes.  The immediate crisis of course is that workers and the products and energy they provide can’t get to their destination because the Green fascists are blocking the railway tracks.  It doesn’t matter much to the protesters who clearly don’t have to be anywhere else, like a workplace or home to take care of children and elderly.  These protesters are breaking the law and must be removed immediately.  Failure to do so is downright police and government incompetence.  

Edited February 20, 2020 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

Die in a fire, Post National State

Bonfire of the Vanities FTW

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Zeitgeist]

41 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Die in a fire, Post National State

Bonfire of the Vanities FTW

 

 

 

 

 

 

One truth is that the Crown and the idea of hereditary political/legal authority is bogus, unless it is purely for ceremony/cultural interest.  

Another truth is that the reserve system, Indian Act, and Indian status as legal and taxation privilege should also end.  Help the people (not a race) in the current reserves and non-self-sustaining communities become sustainable where possible.  If they are unsustainable (insufficient employment, industrial investment), help communities resettle.   End all tax exemptions on Indigenous and let all reserve/Indigenous land become immediately privately owned by the Indigenous inhabitants.  That’s what should happen.  Instead, since imposing any outsider ideas on Indigenous is construed as “colonial”, we have to hope that Indigenous people and their leaders see the value in this.  It may never happen, so we keep funding and abiding this ridiculous apartheid.  

Meanwhile the Reconciliation rhetoric just amplifies the politics of race and injustice, because there will be no end to the claims of past victimhood (warranted and unwarranted) and reparations (fair and unfair).

Leave Indigenous Affaires to Indigenous at current funding levels adjusted annually for inflation, I guess, until taxpayers get completely fed up and the suffering of people on unsustainable reserves and territories, no matter how much money or resources we throw at them, becomes untenable.  

The green low carbon economy is coming, but the transition should be at a reasonable pace and involve all peoples, not just the select who decide that business and labour are other people’s problems and put a wrench in the economy that funds the progressive programs and services they value.  

Edited February 20, 2020 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

One truth is that the Crown and the idea of hereditary political/legal authority is bogus, unless it is purely for ceremony/cultural interest. 

Manifest Destiny.

Mrs Hanover, tear down this wall.

 

[eyeball]

12 hours ago, Argus said:

There was a native blocade on a rail line near Sarnia that went on for a bit, but that was on a small section of track which mainly ran between Sarnia and the United States, and was on native land. So it didn't create the same degree of urgency and there was at least some justification. The current blockade is on a main line, not on native land and isn't even about anything involving the Mohawks. Nor is it authorized by the Mohawk leadership.

Only at the level of band council which is to say a level subordinate to traditional Mohawk leadership.

It's great to see such intransigent stubborn unwillingness to appreciate the issue for what it is.  It means the day our pipelines start fueling the growth of China's dictatorship are further in the future.  Maybe by the time we figure it out China's dictatorship will be overthrown and selling to China won't be a concern and we'll all be using something green to energize our lives.