Entitled refugees

[Marocc]

16 minutes ago, Shady said:

The answer to most of this is, don't live in Toronto, one of the most populated, expensive cities in Canada.  It's not rocket science.

 

38 minutes ago, Marocc said:

Mr. Aldroubi noticed others staring uncomfortably at his wife and daughter, the only women in the vicinity wearing hijabs. Friends have advised against the move, warning they might be the only Muslims in their new home.

reduced transit, fewer job opportunities and limited access to the settlement services his family has come to rely on.

 

[Shady]

11 minutes ago, Marocc said:

 

 

There are still plenty of job opportunities in cities like Windsor, London, Kitchener, Hamilton, Guelph, etc.  And plenty of transportation.  Other Canadians make it work.

[cannuck]

Two things:  In a country with staggering debt and a budget many, many billions negative, there should simply be NO allowance for the Liberal (or so-called "Conservatives") to virtue signal with massive "refugee" programmes.  The Canadian taxpayer should have the brains and balls to stand up and say enough is enough, but as demonstrated by the last election, East of Thunder Bay that is not the case.   

Secondly, the issue of "where" to locate those on the public dole.   Why in ANY city?   Life in rural Canada seems to be something rural Canadians can manage - and do so on a lot less money than in the cities.   I still think reserves would be even better destination for immigrants, as they can get the "real deal" on Canadian culture.

[Rue]

Cannuck I am all ears for coherent reasons as to what criteria should be used to determinate Canada's financial capacity to absorb refugees. Do you have any? Everyone who is quick to say we can't afford or should take in refugees because of our debts never has any criteria or number or any basis for  how they determined our deficit prevents taking in ANY refugees or  in the alternative a specific number of refugees.

Also Cannuck if a refugee would be privately sponsored the Canadian government does not pay for them. This is why I have always argued private sponsored refugees were not and are not the issue. Stephen Harper knew that when he made sure the Syrian refugees he brought in were privately sponsored.

My mother privately sponsored a refugee from Uganda and another from Ukraine, because she herself was a refugee. She was about to adopt a refugee child from Vietnam when she got sick and died. So yah I have a bias on this topic. I openly admit mine-how about all the people who have a bias against refugees? Do they hear me saying take in unlimited amounts...don't screen them...no. All I ask is someone discuss this topic with some sort of objective basis for their positions.

I concede we need to control and administer whatever immigration programs and refugee programs we have. I have never argued otherwise. However when I hear people make blanket statements tatamount to denying any or all immigrants or refugees or inferring refugees or immigrants don't want to be good Canadians or contribute to Canada what would you like me to say-my families who came here to escape bad things in other countries should have been deported along with the other millions of immigrants who came here from all over and helped build this country and cherish it? 

What is it once someone is born here the first thing they feel they can do is look down on someone who wasn't? Why? What is it about being born in Canada that some of you think it makes you entitled to say others are less than you? Please tell me because beneath the comments is a thinly layered rejection of people without giving any reason other than generalized ambiguous subjective assumptions with no links to anything objective. Provide the stats that show privately sponsored refugees drain Canada. Please I want to know. Show me anyone.

I am telling you do I the son of a refugee sound ungrateful? You all think I have just sucked this country dry? My father was a WW2 veteran and served in the Armed Forces for 20 years? Is he not a Canadian because his parents were immigrants to this country? Are you saying my grandparents did not contribute to the country that took them in? Please tell me. I want to know..how far do any of these assumptions about immigrants or refugees go before some of you ask could your assumptions not necessarily be accurate or justify blanket denials and shut downs of programs?

Can anyone on this thread provide any basis for their assumptions or again is this just another piss on refugees/immigrants thread because they don't want to be Canadian which was what the original comment raised?

Edited January 13, 2020 by Rue

[Nefarious Banana]

Entitled Refugees . . . . . . Harry and Meghan!    Perhaps Doug1943 would like the protection contract for those two.  Basement suite for them?  Taxpayer picks up the tab? 

[Marocc]

1 minute ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Entitled Refugees . . . . . . Harry and Meghan!    Perhaps Doug1943 would like the protection contract for those two.  Basement suite for them?  Taxpayer picks up the tab? 

Last I heard Charles is thinking of not funding them anymore as usual. Not that it makes a difference. It'd be good for you if they spent a ton of money.

[Marocc]

4 hours ago, cannuck said:

In a country with staggering debt and a budget many, many billions negative, there should simply be NO allowance for the Liberal (or so-called "Conservatives") to virtue signal with massive "refugee" programmes. 

Yes....... Would that save the economy?

[Argus]

6 hours ago, Marocc said:

A right wing biased publication

Not hardly.

6 hours ago, Marocc said:

She lives in a basement with moist air, a window that can't be opened and with mice.

And she was brought to Canada despite having no skills or abilities to work because she said that her life was threatened where she was. Now she's suggesting she wishes she had never left. Really? Living in a damp basement with 'moist air' and some mice behind the walls is worse than death!?

Or was she actually not in any danger at all?

[Argus]

3 hours ago, Rue said:

Cannuck I am all ears for coherent reasons as to what criteria should be used to determinate Canada's financial capacity to absorb refugees.

There are, it seems to me, three kinds of 'refugee'.

UN convention refugees

Refugees fleeing war and political turmoil.

Refugees fleeing poverty

From what I can see 90% of the refugees Canada takes in are not UN convention refugees. Haitians and Nigerians and Somalians, for example. Even the Afghanis, Syrians and Iraqis, with the exception of persecuted groups like Christians and Yazidis fail to match the description of a UN refugee. We are taking these people in out of a misguided notion of charity in that we can only really help a tiny fraction of the hundreds of millions in the same conditions abroad. There's nothing wrong with charity, but if we really want to be charitable we could help ten times more by funding refugee camps in neighbouring countries. That would allow people to return home when things settle down, rather than being a lifelong blight on the public purse here.

3 hours ago, Rue said:

I concede we need to control and administer whatever immigration programs and refugee programs we have.

Which are a disgrace. The current crop of applicants are being given initial hearing date 2 years from now. It will be many more years of hearings and appeals before their cases are settled, and if they are rejected almost none leave. Why would they? I wouldn't.

3 hours ago, Rue said:

What is it once someone is born here the first thing they feel they can do is look down on someone who wasn't? Why?

It isn't a matter of looking down on someone but of reckoning the cost of supporting people who are unlikely to ever be self-sustaining, and who, moreover, often have violent cultural values I find appalling. Have you considered, Rue, whether or not a continued rise in the numbers of Muslims from the middle east might make the streets of Canada like those in Paris and Berlin and London, where Jews have to hide who they are or face harassment and violence in the streets? Where armed guards have to defend synagogues and Jewish schools? Because I do worry about that.

 

[cannuck]

1 hour ago, Marocc said:

Yes....... Would that save the economy?

what is needed to save the economy is to do useful, productive work.  No amount if immigration will change or effect that, but it WILL add to our debt if we don't get smart and only bring in useful, educated, skilled and well financed immigrants.  Haitian drug dealers and Somali terrorists don't fit that profile very well.

[taxme]

On 1/12/2020 at 11:11 AM, Rue said:

 You simply established my point that some of you wish to make conclusions as to how criteria for refugee or immigration determination should be constructed based on subjective anecdotes.

 

Why are you so pro refugee, when we probably all know that most Canadians never asked for or were in favor of all of these so called tens of thousands of legal or illegal refugees being allowed to come to Canada, and which btw have cost the Canadian taxpayer's of Canada hundreds of billions of their tax dollars being blown on a bunch of strangers where some of those refugees even think that Canadians who are here now think that we owe them a living.

If you want to really find out how most Canadians feel about immigration/refugees, then ask them about it by way of a referendum or a poll. But of course if our pro rest of the world liberal and socialist politicians, and their liberal controlled leftist media get their way, there will never be a vote or a referendum taken on immigration/refugees. They no doubt feel that the more immigrants/refugees Canada brings in the more the merrier Canada will be or become, and dam the bloody costs. 

[taxme]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

There are, it seems to me, three kinds of 'refugee'.

UN convention refugees

Refugees fleeing war and political turmoil.

Refugees fleeing poverty

From what I can see 90% of the refugees Canada takes in are not UN convention refugees. Haitians and Nigerians and Somalians, for example. Even the Afghanis, Syrians and Iraqis, with the exception of persecuted groups like Christians and Yazidis fail to match the description of a UN refugee. We are taking these people in out of a misguided notion of charity in that we can only really help a tiny fraction of the hundreds of millions in the same conditions abroad. There's nothing wrong with charity, but if we really want to be charitable we could help ten times more by funding refugee camps in neighbouring countries. That would allow people to return home when things settle down, rather than being a lifelong blight on the public purse here.

Which are a disgrace. The current crop of applicants are being given initial hearing date 2 years from now. It will be many more years of hearings and appeals before their cases are settled, and if they are rejected almost none leave. Why would they? I wouldn't.

It isn't a matter of looking down on someone but of reckoning the cost of supporting people who are unlikely to ever be self-sustaining, and who, moreover, often have violent cultural values I find appalling. Have you considered, Rue, whether or not a continued rise in the numbers of Muslims from the middle east might make the streets of Canada like those in Paris and Berlin and London, where Jews have to hide who they are or face harassment and violence in the streets? Where armed guards have to defend synagogues and Jewish schools? Because I do worry about that.

 

We can only thank a certain special minority interest group in Canada that has always been behind the push for more immigration and more refugees into Canada, and also too the many other western countries from around the world. They can only blame themselves for the monster that they created. What goes around, eventually comes around. Aw well. The damage has been done now. Now it is up too we the people who now have to try and fix this bloody immigration/refugee mess that was dumped and forced on we the taxpaying sucker people who never asked for it in the first place.   

[WestCanMan]

It seems as though there are a lot of homeless people wandering around, and there vets that need help from the federal government that they aren't getting. 

But I can see how bringing in more refugees and giving away more money to foreign countries is still our first priority. The people who are already here can freeze/starve I guess.

[Marocc]

2 hours ago, Argus said:

Not hardly.

But it is.

2 hours ago, Argus said:

Or was she actually not in any danger at all?

Use your imagination. Put yourself in someone else's shoes, even if just once.

[Marocc]

1 hour ago, cannuck said:

what is needed to save the economy is to do useful, productive work.  No amount if immigration will change or effect that,

The professionals of the field say the opposite. The immigrants are good for the economy. But yes, you do have to help them. For instance, if you teach everyone around you to hate them, those people won't hire immigrants. And then in UK they'll be writing articles in the daily papers how 'only 35% of the immigrants in Canada have a full time work contract'.

[Nefarious Banana]

Canada's like the dumb twerp in school wandering around with the 'Kick Me' sign on his back. Everyone wants to come here 'cause we're so stupid.  

[cannuck]

1 hour ago, Marocc said:

The professionals of the field say the opposite. The immigrants are good for the economy. But yes, you do have to help them. For instance, if you teach everyone around you to hate them, those people won't hire immigrants. And then in UK they'll be writing articles in the daily papers how 'only 35% of the immigrants in Canada have a full time work contract'.

The "professionals" in the field make their money from having immigrants to deal with.

When you say "the immigrants", which ones are you speaking of?   I know a lot of immigrants who are great for our economy, but none of them came in as refugees - they had to wait in line, put up their investment money, prove where that money came from and then came over to join us in our struggling economy.  Genuine refugees, I would have no problem with...IF we could afford them - and we can not.  Most of what the Liberals seem to want are those looking for a better life, such as the Siks who smuggle in illegal immigrants to work in the trucking industry...here because they know we are too stupid and naiive to stop criminal activity.

Why would I/we give a flying purple fxxk about what the slimey limey press is writing?????

[Marocc]

7 minutes ago, cannuck said:

The "professionals" in the field make their money from having immigrants to deal with.

I highly doubt it. I don't know why you would assume that.

7 minutes ago, cannuck said:

When you say "the immigrants", which ones are you speaking of? 

Generally, all of them.

8 minutes ago, cannuck said:

they had to wait in line,

Poor rich people. Refugees wait in lines too. It may well take them a year or two to get to their destination, what with spending months in refugee camps and centers doing nothing but waiting.

11 minutes ago, cannuck said:

join us in our struggling economy

Don't be such a martyr. The economy is 'struggling' everywhere.

14 minutes ago, cannuck said:

Genuine refugees, I would have no problem with...IF we could afford them - and we can not.

There's never a right time to have a baby, they say.

15 minutes ago, cannuck said:

Why would I/we give a flying purple fxxk about what the slimey limey press is writing?????

No need, from my personal perspective, but obviously you do.

[Moonlight Graham]

13 hours ago, Marocc said:

Mr. Aldroubi noticed others staring uncomfortably at his wife and daughter, the only women in the vicinity wearing hijabs. Friends have advised against the move, warning they might be the only Muslims in their new home.

 

reduced transit, fewer job opportunities and limited access to the settlement services his family has come to rely on.

Lots of other cities have transit.  In fact all of them unless it's a small town.  More job opportunities doesn't mean much if you can't afford the rent, and you're only qualified to work at Tim Hortons or for cleaning services.  And obviously the settlement services aren't doing enough good if you can't afford a decent place to live.  Free settlement services, paid for by taxpayer dollars.  Our gift to you.

There's lots of Muslims to help you out in any medium or large city in Canada.  Stop making excuses, adapt or die.  Get off your arse and make something of your life instead of begging for money.  You're in Canada, you literally won the jackpot compared to your previous country.  Canada owes you nothing, but we're nice so we choose to give you free healthcare, free education for your child, and other services, including welfare.  If you don't like the deal, you're free to leave.  Nobody forced you to come to Canada. If you can't make it in Canada, you can't make it anywhere.  And no other country will be as accepting of Muslims as Canada.

[CITIZEN_2015]

Immigration is fine for as long as it is a reasonable  number and we choose the RIGHT immigrants, Those with skills and education or both who can contribute positively to Canada. That said there is a more important criterion that must not be missed. Keep out those immigrants or refugees who have no respect for Western democracy and wish to come here and change our culture which is based on respect for women, equality of people and religions and respect for human rights which means the immigration system has to change and pay significant more attention to adaptability than other factors. Right now our immigration system is based on none of above. 

[Moonlight Graham]

From the article:

Quote

Six years after arriving in Canada as a refugee from Afghanistan, Mohammad Zahir Amiri was offered a tiny subsidized bachelor apartment for $115 a month. Five years later he’s still there, but now with a wife, toddler and baby.

If you can't afford it, stop having babies you morons.

You've been in Canada for 11 years and you're still on subsidized housing?  You're a moron.  Stop having babies and send your wife to work until you can afford babies.

Edited January 14, 2020 by Moonlight Graham

[Moonlight Graham]

From the article:

Quote

Their basement apartment smells wet, has a window that doesn’t open and they can hear mice"scratching through the walls at night, but it’s $1,400 a month – all Ms. Balouch can afford on a fixed income of $1,500 a month. She gets her groceries at the food bank and cannot scrounge together the cash to replace her son’s hole-ridden shoes, which make his feet wet when he walks to school. All the other apartments she’s seen are even more expensive than this one.

You can get a decent basement apartment in Toronto for $800 a month.  She's paying $1,400 a month....for a basement apartment that "smells wet, has a window that doesn’t open and they can hear mice"scratching through the walls at night"???  Canada can help with a lot of things, but we can't fix stupid.  She's also lazy if she can't find an apartment cheaper than this.

In a 3-second google search I found a nice newly renovated basement apartment for $695 a month, no lease, all utilities included including internet, TV, and phone, laundry unit in the house probably free too.  Access to a balcony and yard: https://www.kijiji.ca/v-apartments-condos/city-of-toronto/newly-renovated-bachelor-apartment/1482361641?undefined

[CITIZEN_2015]

14 hours ago, Marocc said:

Mr. Aldroubi noticed others staring uncomfortably at his wife and daughter, the only women in the vicinity wearing hijabs. Friends have advised against the move, warning they might be the only Muslims in their new home.

No one would be starring at them if they go back home. Women is some parts of the world are facing guns and batons in order to achieve the freedom of choice on what to wear and equality and freedom that Western women enjoy and most people in Canada take as granted. 

Edited January 14, 2020 by CITIZEN_2015

[Michael Hardner]

This to me is more about Toronto's housing out of control than any one group.  Certainly refugees will have it the worst of anyone with no network and typically low financial resources.

 

Any assertion that somebody's situation is easily solvable just like that, lacks empathy and sensitivity IMO.

[Shady]

19 hours ago, Rue said:

Cannuck I am all ears for coherent reasons as to what criteria should be used to determinate Canada's financial capacity to absorb refugees. Do you have any? Everyone who is quick to say we can't afford or should take in refugees because of our debts never has any criteria or number or any basis for  how they determined our deficit prevents taking in ANY refugees or  in the alternative a specific number of refugees.

Also Cannuck if a refugee would be privately sponsored the Canadian government does not pay for them. This is why I have always argued private sponsored refugees were not and are not the issue. Stephen Harper knew that when he made sure the Syrian refugees he brought in were privately sponsored.

My mother privately sponsored a refugee from Uganda and another from Ukraine, because she herself was a refugee. She was about to adopt a refugee child from Vietnam when she got sick and died. So yah I have a bias on this topic. I openly admit mine-how about all the people who have a bias against refugees? Do they hear me saying take in unlimited amounts...don't screen them...no. All I ask is someone discuss this topic with some sort of objective basis for their positions.

I concede we need to control and administer whatever immigration programs and refugee programs we have. I have never argued otherwise. However when I hear people make blanket statements tatamount to denying any or all immigrants or refugees or inferring refugees or immigrants don't want to be good Canadians or contribute to Canada what would you like me to say-my families who came here to escape bad things in other countries should have been deported along with the other millions of immigrants who came here from all over and helped build this country and cherish it? 

What is it once someone is born here the first thing they feel they can do is look down on someone who wasn't? Why? What is it about being born in Canada that some of you think it makes you entitled to say others are less than you? Please tell me because beneath the comments is a thinly layered rejection of people without giving any reason other than generalized ambiguous subjective assumptions with no links to anything objective. Provide the stats that show privately sponsored refugees drain Canada. Please I want to know. Show me anyone.

I am telling you do I the son of a refugee sound ungrateful? You all think I have just sucked this country dry? My father was a WW2 veteran and served in the Armed Forces for 20 years? Is he not a Canadian because his parents were immigrants to this country? Are you saying my grandparents did not contribute to the country that took them in? Please tell me. I want to know..how far do any of these assumptions about immigrants or refugees go before some of you ask could your assumptions not necessarily be accurate or justify blanket denials and shut downs of programs?

Can anyone on this thread provide any basis for their assumptions or again is this just another piss on refugees/immigrants thread because they don't want to be Canadian which was what the original comment raised?

How about when our budget is balanced or in surplus?  Which used to happen quite frequently until this government came into office.