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What Do You Dislike the Most About the Liberals?


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What annoys your the most about Justin Trudeau's Liberals?  

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19 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

What do I hate about the Liberals?  . . . . 

What I like about the Liberals now is that they have polarized Canada and have brought the separation of the west to the forefront. I want to see Canada cleaved in half. I want to see the four western Provinces and northern territories as a separate country. 

You do realize that if the three prairie provinces plus western Canada (BC) separate, the power will reside in the Left coast. You will have frequent liberal and NDP governments. Both Saskatchewan and Manitoba have strong NDP bases so I doubt we would see many Conservative governments. The real power source for the Conservatives lies in Ontario and Quebec.

I cannot vote in your poll because the selection of answers does not have enough choices. I do not hate the Liberals or the Conservatives (except for the Reform / Socialist Credit wing) or the NDP. I have always been a life long Progressive Conservative but politics is a sport. Democracy depends upon the players not taking it too seriously. 

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The poll reflects the reason we did not win the election. It displays a complete disregard for the critical issue of climate change and the rights of millions of members of the LGBT community.

To understand the impact of a sudden change in global temperature, you only have to look at the western Roman Empire's collapse when Europe cooled a few degrees.

The LGBT community is not a political monolith. Prime Minister Harper included at least one member of the community in the top level of his cabinet.

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7 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The poll reflects the reason we did not win the election. It displays a complete disregard for the critical issue of climate change and the rights of millions of members of the LGBT community.

The Tories didn't lose because of climate change and LGBT. The people to whom such policies are of high importance never vote Conservative anyway.

They lost because they had a weak leader who was seen to be weak, and a crappy policy platform book that offered nothing of substance.

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1 hour ago, Argus said:

The Tories didn't lose because of climate change and LGBT.  They lost because they had a weak leader who was seen to be weak, and a crappy policy platform book that offered nothing of substance.

Scheer isn't viewed as a leader . . . . weak presentation of indefinable policies, combined with poor body language . . . .  He didn't look capable of delivering your evening paper.

Predicting he's gone after a Leadership Convention . . . . 

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What I hate about Conservatives most is the spelling.

There are lots of things I hate about the Liberals but somehow in cutting and pasting your Russian Facebook bot talking points you didn't capture a single one.  That kind of political acumen might explain why Maxime Bernier was grabbing all the voters on the Facebook Yellow Vest groups, which translated to 1.7% of the vote.

But keep fighting the glorious fight... 2% is just an election or two a

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4 hours ago, Argus said:

The Tories didn't lose because of climate change and LGBT. The people to whom such policies are of high importance never vote Conservative anyway.

They lost because they had a weak leader who was seen to be weak, and a crappy policy platform book that offered nothing of substance.

He should have courted the LGBT community. It was after the merger with reform / Socialist Credit that conservatives in the LGBT community were forced out such as Scott Brison. As long as a member stayed in the closet,  they didn't have as much of a problem One even became a powerful member of Harper's cabinet. Mr. Sheer ignored  the fact that politics is about gathering support, not alienating it. 

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1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

He should have courted the LGBT community. It was after the merger with reform / Socialist Credit that conservatives in the LGBT community were forced out such as Scott Brison. As long as a member stayed in the closet,  they didn't have as much of a problem One even became a powerful member of Harper's cabinet. Mr. Sheer ignored  the fact that politics is about gathering support, not alienating it. 

In otherwords, we should pander to the people who hate our guts?

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8 hours ago, ProudConservative said:

In otherwords, we should pander to the people who hate our guts?

If you want their vote, yes. The only part of the Conservative party that has earned the ire of the LGBT community are the social "conservative" wingnuts that believe they have the right to tell someone else who they can fall in love with or how they should dress. Remember, it wasn't that long ago when our leader was the grand marshal in the Calgary Pride parade. We had a good relationship with the LGBT community until the merger with Manning's socialist credit/ reform group. It would be better to invite three million LGBT voters and embrace the science supporting the need to fight climate change, than pandering to a few social conservatives and uneducated dolts like crooked Jason Kenny who is a failed philosophy major. Even our failed drama teacher has a better education than that idiot. Peter Lougheed must be rolling in his grave.

So that is why I don't hate liberals. I grieve for our party but I don't hate anyone, not even socreds. I just hate the fact they stole from us and would persecute anyone with a different life style if they had the chance.

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11 hours ago, ProudConservative said:

In otherwords, we should pander to the people who hate our guts?

It's not that they (LGBTQ and pro-choice) "hate your guts", as much as it is that social conservatives hate them/their practices and do whatever is in their power to control, limit or punish them.  Why would they want anyone who even might hold those views in power? 

The people who accept that client change is real and must be addressed also don't "hate" conservatives; they just don't understand the anti-science stance of (many) conservatives, or their attitude of "not our problem". 

If conservatives want enough support to form government they need to pander less to social conservatives and those who are more concerned about taxes and the profit of the oil industry over the environment.

17 hours ago, Argus said:

The Tories didn't lose because of climate change and LGBT. The people to whom such policies are of high importance never vote Conservative anyway.

82% of Canadians consider climate change a serious issue.

77% of Canadians support a woman's right to abortion.

The majority of Canadians also support gay rights and transgender rights.

These are not an insignificant portion of Canadians, and the conservative base upon which Scheer rested his hopes, cannot compete - even if many people were angry at JT.

I did not want to vote for JT this time, and I didn't.  But I didn't want to vote Scheer, given his support base and how closely he appeared to align with them so I didn't vote for him either.  Point is, it's a lot more likely I'd have voted Conservative if the leader was clearly LGBTQ friendly, and made it clear he took climate change issues seriously.  Being less wishy-washy on abortion rights would also have helped.

17 hours ago, Argus said:

They lost because they had a weak leader who was seen to be weak, and a crappy policy platform book that offered nothing of substance.

A strong pro-LGBTQ/pro-choice stance and a strong policy on addressing climate change may have made all the difference.

I'm sure the problem here is that Conservatives would then be even more indistinguishable from Liberals.  But given JT's proven issues, and Scheer's lack of track record as PM, he might have made the seats he needed if he'd very strongly emphasized progressive values and credible strategies for addressing climate change.

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14 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

He should have courted the LGBT community. It was after the merger with reform / Socialist Credit that conservatives in the LGBT community were forced out such as Scott Brison. As long as a member stayed in the closet,  they didn't have as much of a problem One even became a powerful member of Harper's cabinet. Mr. Sheer ignored  the fact that politics is about gathering support, not alienating it. 

Generally speaking gays are not conservative in any respect, social or fiscal. They're far more inclined to go for the NDP, or to sit on the left of the Liberal party than to support the Tories. This is the same in every country. I know of no western country where a substantial percentage of gays vote conservative.

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4 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

If you want their vote, yes. The only part of the Conservative party that has earned the ire of the LGBT community are the social "conservative" wingnuts that believe

That believe they're Canadians and have a right to their opinion? What you're saying is social conservatives should be ignored by all political parties. Not only is this undemocratic but it makes no political sense for a conservative party. There are more people with social conservative views than there are gay people. And a hell of a lot more people with social conservative views than gays with conservative views. Don't get me wrong, Douglas Murray is one of my favourite thinkers and writers, but there aren't many like him in the gay community.

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they have the right to tell someone else who they can fall in love with or how they should dress. Remember, it wasn't that long ago when our leader was the grand marshal in the Calgary Pride parade. We had a good relationship with the LGBT community

Who nevertheless voted Liberal and NDP. in droves

 

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1 hour ago, dialamah said:

The people who accept that client change is real and must be addressed also don't "hate" conservatives; they just don't understand the anti-science stance of (many) conservatives, or their attitude of "not our problem". 

Realism has always been a conservative trait. It's not one I want to see abandoned in favour of emotionally overwrought policies that accomplish nothing but making progressives feel noble. It's not 'anti-science' to realize that things like carbon taxes  in Canada will have zero impact on world CO2 emissions.

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82% of Canadians consider climate change a serious issue.

I consider it a serious issue, too. Too serious to be left to airheads like Trudeau and his glee club supporters.

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77% of Canadians support a woman's right to abortion.

Me too. Mind you, your poll ignores the fact that a considerable number of Canadians would also like to see the rules enshrined in law similar to EVERY OTHER NATION.

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The majority of Canadians also support gay rights and transgender rights.

The majority support the right for a transgender person to be free of harassment, to not be fired or refused service. Tell that majority that teenage boys who decided last Tuesday that they now identify as female must be allowed into their teenage daughter's locker room while she changes and they'll tell you a different story. I don't know anyone in real life, including those who wouldn't vote conservative for any reason, who supports the moronic demands of the progressives and activists on subjects like this.

 

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16 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

What I hate about Conservatives most is the spelling.

There are lots of things I hate about the Liberals but somehow in cutting and pasting your Russian Facebook bot talking points you didn't capture a single one.  That kind of political acumen might explain why Maxime Bernier was grabbing all the voters on the Facebook Yellow Vest groups, which translated to 1.7% of the vote.

But keep fighting the glorious fight... 2% is just an election or two a

Man Michael you need to learn to let it go...and as the leftist movement continues to grow and push their over the top agenda,  so will the yellow vests grow... or maybe it's just real people who had enough...

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On 11/21/2019 at 10:35 AM, Queenmandy85 said:

The poll reflects the reason we did not win the election. It displays a complete disregard for the critical issue of climate change and the rights of millions of members of the LGBT community.

To understand the impact of a sudden change in global temperature, you only have to look at the western Roman Empire's collapse when Europe cooled a few degrees.

I'm concerned about climate change.  However, we need to look at the data.  Canada is responsible for 1.6% of total global GHG emissions.  If by miracle we reduced that by 1/3 over the next decade or so, that's only  reductions of 0.5% of the world's GHG output.  Canada can do its part, put given that, Canada's government isn't capable of measurably slowing down or speeding up climate change.  If temp goes up by say 2 degrees because of GHG, that means Canada cutting emissions by 1/3 would reduce avg global temp by 1/100 of a degree or 0.01 degrees.

Climate change will happen with or without Canada, unfortunately.  We are a country of 35 million out of 7 billion on the planet.  We'd be better to pester the US to do more.

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6 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I'm concerned about climate change.  However, we need to look at the data.  Canada is responsible for 1.6% of total global GHG emissions.  If by miracle we reduced that by 1/3 over the next decade or so, that's only  reductions of 0.5% of the world's GHG output.  Canada can do its part, put given that, Canada's government isn't capable of measurably slowing down or speeding up climate change.  If temp goes up by say 2 degrees because of GHG, that means Canada cutting emissions by 1/3 would reduce avg global temp by 1/100 of a degree or 0.01 degrees.

Climate change will happen with or without Canada, unfortunately.  We are a country of 35 million out of 7 billion on the planet.  We'd be better to pester the US to do more.

I agree with what you're saying, but even if that miracle occurred, it would not reduce the world's output by 0.5%.  Most of the shortfall would be made up by a slight increase in production elsewhere.  It illustrates the fantasy that we can deal with climate change without true worldwide cooperation.  Cooperation that shows absolutely no sign of being achieved.

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5 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

I agree with what you're saying, but even if that miracle occurred, it would not reduce the world's output by 0.5%.  Most of the shortfall would be made up by a slight increase in production elsewhere.  It illustrates the fantasy that we can deal with climate change without true worldwide cooperation.  Cooperation that shows absolutely no sign of being achieved.

That's why we had the paris accords.  

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2 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Is it working? 

Mr. Rickford told reporters that Ontario has more than enough energy now, pointing out that almost all of it comes from zero-emissions nuclear and hydro sources. Asked if Ontario will have to burn more natural gas – boosting greenhouse emissions – when nuclear plants go offline for refurbishing in the coming years, Mr. Rickford said his government is developing an energy plan that would avoid that outcome.

 

I guess when they reveal this plan we'll know.  I'm curious how they plan to keep the lights on without any emissions, wind, solar or nuclear power.  

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