How much refugees are costing us

[Argus]

15 hours ago, cougar said:

I imagine all of them have valid paperwork - a visa in their passport which shows how long they can stay in the country.

Existing without proper documentation and remaining hidden from the government where they have no way to find you sounds like a fairy tale to me.

So those millions of illegal immigrants in the US are just the creation of some kind of fantasy author, is that right?

Have you ever rented a house? I can assure you no one asks to see your passport or citizen documents. To even try would be to risk accusations of racism and prejudice. Plus you can get any number of documents dirt cheap on the internet, fresh from major printing plants in China.

CBSA has basically admitted that there isn't a lot they can do about 'refugees' who simply don't leave when they're found to not be actual refugees. They don't have the manpower.

For those asylum seekers that know that they are not going to be able to reach the stage that their claim will be granted in Canada, or they know [that] they have a criminal history, the concern is they may disappear,” Jean-Pierre Fortin, president of the Customs and Immigration Union, told The West Block’s Mercedes Stephenson.

“The people who do check them within CBSA, it’s a very small group [called] inland enforcement officers.”

Fortin is calling for the number of officers in this group to be doubled, at the least.

“We certainly don’t have the resources to track them down and to deport them,” he said in an interview at Roxham Road.

https://globalnews.ca/news/5746288/cbsa-officers-more-resources-failed-asylum-claimants-union/

Edited November 18, 2019 by Argus

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Oh please.  The drunk driver bears the largest portion of responsibility.  Quit trying to make out like Canada can "control" and is responsible for the rest of the world.  

Sure they bear the most responsibility but the pain they cause is shared far and wide.

Quit trying to make out like there's nothing we can do when we haven't even tried. 

[Goddess]

20 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Sure they bear the most responsibility but the pain they cause is shared far and wide.

Quit trying to make out like there's nothing we can do when we haven't even tried. 

Quit trying to make out like Canada taking in and paying for all of the world's poor is the only solution.

[Shady]

50 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Quit trying to make out like there's nothing we can do when we haven't even tried. 

Like what?

[eyeball]

53 minutes ago, Shady said:

Like what?

It's called virtue.  Have any idea what the word means? Here's a clue, it's not a pejorative.

[Cannucklehead]

Just now, eyeball said:

It's called virtue.  Have any idea what the word means? Here's a clue, it's not a pejorative.

You're barking up the wrong tree my friend.  Maybe back in the day that would work, but the world has changed, and not for the better.  

[eyeball]

Just now, Cannucklehead said:

You're barking up the wrong tree my friend.  Maybe back in the day that would work, but the world has changed, and not for the better.  

Why aren't we simply killing refugees then?

[Shady]

34 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It's called virtue.  Have any idea what the word means? Here's a clue, it's not a pejorative.

Virtue is subjective.  Do you have anything specific?

[eyeball]

3 minutes ago, Shady said:

Virtue is subjective.  Do you have anything specific?

Pretty much everything you learned in kindergarten. 

[Goddess]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Pretty much everything you learned in kindergarten. 

So you don't have anything specific, then.

Just either Canada takes all refugees in or kill them all.  That's the choices you are offering?  Why is there never anything in between those 2 choices for you? 

[eyeball]

13 minutes ago, Goddess said:

So you don't have anything specific, then.

Just either Canada takes all refugees in or kill them all.  That's the choices you are offering?  Why is there never anything in between those 2 choices for you? 

I guess you ignored the part where i mentioned sactioning our allies and eschewing nations that insist on pursuing their destructive polices.

In the meantime what I said was very specific. Try going back to kindergarten for a refresher.

That said though, why not simply kill them? What's preventing us, virtue? You've got to be kidding me.

 

Edited November 18, 2019 by eyeball

[Shady]

29 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Pretty much everything you learned in kindergarten. 

Ok, so nothing then.

[eyeball]

48 minutes ago, Shady said:

Ok, so nothing then.

You're honestly telling me kindergarten was that much of a challenge and you're not up to it? That's pretty pathetic.

[eyeball]

So, no one can say why killing refugees isn't the answer?

Because it will be one day. Like the refugees floating around on the Titanic's lifeboats we will have some powerfully painful decisions to make.

I'm supposed to believe Canada will be up to that challenge? How?

[Dougie93]

11 minutes ago, eyeball said:

So, no one can say why killing refugees isn't the answer?

Because it will be one day. Like the refugees floating around on the Titanic's lifeboats we will have some powerfully painful decisions to make.

I'm supposed to believe Canada will be up to that challenge? How?

Drone strikes.

[Cannucklehead]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Why aren't we simply killing refugees then?

What I mean is that people are far more obtuse now days.  Not that it's their fault either, just too many cons out there.  

[Shady]

17 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You're honestly telling me kindergarten was that much of a challenge and you're not up to it? That's pretty pathetic.

I'm not really sure what you're talking about.  You're posting like a crazy person.  All that was asked of you was to propose a course of action regarding the situation in Syria, etc.  Propose what you'd want to see the government do, that would help mitigate the civil war that's taking place, and the displacement of millions of people.  Stop with the broad generalizations and generic talking points.

[eyeball]

3 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

What I mean is that people are far more obtuse now days.  Not that it's their fault either, just too many cons out there.  

Its their fault too. Ignorance is no excuse. 

[eyeball]

3 minutes ago, Shady said:

Propose what you'd want to see the government do, that would help mitigate the civil war that's taking place, and the displacement of millions of people.

Why?  You continually ignore suggestions to sanction and shame anyone we're even remotely allied with. Your ilk can't even bring itself to stop our sales of weaponry to Suadi Arabia.

[Shady]

5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Why?  You continually ignore suggestions to sanction and shame anyone we're even remotely allied with. Your ilk can't even bring itself to stop our sales of weaponry to Suadi Arabia.

You still haven't cited one action regarding Syria.  Regardless, you don't think Saudi Arabia should be able to protect itself from the likes of Iran?

[Cannucklehead]

14 minutes ago, Shady said:

You still haven't cited one action regarding Syria.  Regardless, you don't think Saudi Arabia should be able to protect itself from the likes of Iran?

No, by all means keep supplying the Saudis to fight off Iran, who are helping fight off isis.  

Worked out great in Afghanistan.  

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, Shady said:

You still haven't cited one action regarding Syria.  Regardless, you don't think Saudi Arabia should be able to protect itself from the likes of Iran?

Did you miss or ignore where I said sactioning allies and eschewing nations that insist on pursuing destructive polices?

Okay, here's a specific action I've suggested several times in similar threads.  An international truth and reconciliation process that addresses historical injustices and colonialism.

You must have been too busy inserting LMAO's and rolley eyes to have noticed. I mean given what so many people think about reconciliation in our country is it any surprise?

Do they teach kids to laugh in the face of virtue these days? They should, because we'll need to be a lot more hard-assed than we are now to keep doing business as usual.

[Shady]

4 hours ago, Cannucklehead said:

No, by all means keep supplying the Saudis to fight off Iran, who are helping fight off isis.  

Worked out great in Afghanistan.  

I don’t see the connection.  So helping Afghanistan defend itself from an illegal and immoral invasion of conquest from the Soviet Union somehow turned them radical?  That makes absolutely no sense at all.

[Cannucklehead]

5 minutes ago, Shady said:

I don’t see the connection.  So helping Afghanistan defend itself from an illegal and immoral invasion of conquest from the Soviet Union somehow turned them radical?  That makes absolutely no sense at all.

In Osama Bin Laden's November 2002 "Letter to America",^[3][4] he explicitly stated that al-Qaeda's motives for their attacks include: Western support for attacking Muslims in Somalia, supporting Russian atrocities against Muslims in Chechnya, supporting the Indian oppression against Muslims in Kashmir, the Jewish aggression against Muslims in Lebanon, the presence of US troops in Saudi Arabia,^[4][5][6] US support of Israel,^[7][8] and sanctions against Iraq.^[9]

[Shady]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

Did you miss or ignore where I said sactioning allies and eschewing nations that insist on pursuing destructive polices?

Okay, here's a specific action I've suggested several times in similar threads.  An international truth and reconciliation process that addresses historical injustices and colonialism.

You must have been too busy inserting LMAO's and rolley eyes to have noticed. I mean given what so many people think about reconciliation in our country is it any surprise?

Do they teach kids to laugh in the face of virtue these days? They should, because we'll need to be a lot more hard-assed than we are now to keep doing business as usual.

So you want Canada put sanctions against the United States?  There economy is 15 times bigger than ours.  Our economy would be the only one that would suffer.  Mostly middle class and lower class workers.  So you would have them bare the brunt of another countries actions?  That makes absolutely no sense at all.  A reconciliation process sounds nice, but colonialism isn’t why Sunni and Shia are at each others throats.  Those rivalries go back hundreds if not thousands of years.  Before colonial powers even existed.  And what about historical injustices that took place before colonialism?  See, the world is much more complex than you seem to understand.  And generalities and feel good platitudes won’t cut it.