Should Don Cherry Have Been Fired?

[Dougie93]

Just now, PPC2019 said:

It's immoral for the government to have any debt, unless there is a war or national emergency.

The war was the excuse to expand the money supply.   The First World War.    The British broke themselves at the Somme.   So they had to go to Wall Street cap in hand.

After the war however, the world had changed, the Bolsheviks were marching, the masses were in upheaval.

Now prior to the war, the German had instituted the first ever Welfare State.   The Kaiser took care of the people, so they would love him, he wanted to be loved.

After the war, the masses demanded that Welfare State in the British Empire as well, and in order to stave off the Bolsheviks, the powers that be capitulated.

There was no end to the demands of the masses for ever more gravy, so the money supply had to be expanded to pay for it.

Fiat currency is necessary to fund the socialist welfare states.    The masses want what they want when they want it.

[Guest PPC2019]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

The war was the excuse to expand the money supply.   The First World War.    The British broke themselves at the Somme.   So they had to go to Wall Street cap in hand.

After the war however, the world had changed, the Bolsheviks were marching, the masses were in upheaval.

Now prior to the war, the German had instituted the first ever Welfare State.   The Kaiser took care of the people, so they would love him, he wanted to be loved.

After the war, the masses demanded that Welfare State in the British Empire as well, and in order to stave off the Bolsheviks, the powers that be capitulated.

There was no end to the demands of the masses for ever more gravy, so the money supply had to be expanded to pay for it.

Fiat currency is necessary to fund the socialist welfare states.    The masses want what they want when they want it.

I rather eat rice than take money from the government. Our politicians should take a 50% pay cut every year they increase the deficit.

Edited November 12, 2019 by PPC2019

[Dougie93]

Just now, PPC2019 said:

I rather eat rice than take money from the government.

I'll take it where I find it, it's all green to me.   If Canada goes broke, it's no skin off my teeth, I'll short sell Canada to its knees with glee.

The only way to be free of overweening Canadian governance is for the government to be too broke to even pay the tax collectors.

[Guest PPC2019]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I'll take it where I find it, it's all green to me.   If Canada goes broke, it's no skin off my teeth, I'll short sell Canada to its knees with glee.

The only way to be free of overweening Canadian governance is for the government to be too broke to even pay the tax collectors.

You're so dark sometimes  If you know anything about the stock market. Speak!

I'm trying to figure out exponential growth off volatility trading. I'm interest exploiting the variance between tethered currencies.

I would rather make a fraction of a percentage hundreds of times per year, than be a bag holder for more than a week.

Edited November 12, 2019 by PPC2019

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, PPC2019 said:

You're so dark sometimes  If you know anything about the stock market. Speak!

There's no secret sauce, I'm a dividends investor, it's just a place to park instead of the bank, until bond rates come back to normal that is.

[Guest PPC2019]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

There's no secret sauce, I'm a dividends investor, it's just a place to park instead of the bank, until bond rates come back to normal that is.

Well I've been trading TUSD to USDT back and forth... There basically clones of the USD, and I trade within a 0.4% fluctuation. I take a 0.1% buy and sell loss... It's slow money, but it's secure.

 

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, PPC2019 said:

Well I've been trading TUSD to USDT back and forth... There basically clones of the USD, and I trade within a 0.4% fluctuation. I take a 0.1% buy and sell loss... It's slow money, but it's secure.

 

We're way off topic now, Charles Anthony will throw us in an extra-judicial black hole.

So bringing it back to the Teflon Don, what I like about this is that it just throws more gasoline on the fire against the loonie leftists and their urbane Liberal stooges.

Firing Don Cherry on Remembrance Day is all to the good of chaos is a ladder.

That being said, the big rage bomb will go off when the market corrects. 

In whichever direction, it could correct up into stagflation, or it could correct down into a deflationary spiral in the throws of negative interest rates.

Edited November 12, 2019 by Dougie93

[Guest PPC2019]

I only made 0.3% profit last week. Some weeks I've made 2%.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, PPC2019 said:

I only made 0.3% profit last week. Some weeks I've made 2%.

I don't count my chips when I'm sitting at the table.

[marcus]

10 hours ago, Shady said:

I don’t understand how his comments are automatically related to immigrants.  From what I read of his comments, they could pretty much apply to most people.

"You people love.. you come here. whatever it is..you love our way of life...."

at 10 seconds:

He went on to talk about people in Mississauga and Downtown Toronto.

C'mon. It's more than obvious he was talking about immigrants.

[marcus]

10 hours ago, Teena said:

No I have not. It's about two years that I've been to a local game and a year for a NHL game ... never seen one?

There is a reason why they have punjabi commentary. There is a huge fanbase.

I live in Vancouver and I see Indians, Filipinos, Middle Easterns, Chinese, etc. Canucks fans everywhere. 

Hopefully this won't make your head blow up:

 

Edited November 12, 2019 by marcus

[marcus]

Don Cherry being fired by SN on Rememberance Day - that's tough to watch. Despite an obvious shortsightedness on an issue he should have been better educated about - he's done so much for Canadian veterans. Fact this came out on November 11t is sad. Right decision, wrong day.

It is sad seeing Cherry go down in flames. There are ways to have difficult conversations about our society and what we should value without sowing divisiness.

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Here is an article from a brown sportswriter which I believe shows an interesting angle and perspective:

https://theathletic.com/1369550/2019/11/11/basu-don-cherry-was-always-a-problem-why-it-took-canada-so-long-to-see-it/

Here is a part of it:

The reason I decided to express an opinion on this man I spend most of my time trying to forget is that I felt an important nuance of what he said Saturday night was being lost. And it was being lost because in order to hear it, you need a bit of a trained ear. And frankly, in the Canadian sports media, there is a decided lack of trained ears.

When Ron MacLean began Sunday night’s “Hometown Hockey” broadcast with an apology, one I took as sincere, he said something that sums up the problem. If you watch the segment of “Coach’s Corner” in question (I will not link to it, you can find it yourself at this point), you will note that MacLean did not even flinch when Cherry mentioned the words “you people” in reference to people who are new to Canada.

There are all sorts of reasons why MacLean should not only have flinched, but pounced. How did Cherry know the people he saw walking around downtown Toronto and Mississauga without poppies were immigrants? Were they wearing signs? Or did they look a certain way and he, in his infinite wisdom, assumed that to be the case?

Edited November 12, 2019 by marcus

[Shady]

2 hours ago, marcus said:

Don Cherry being fired by SN on Rememberance Day - that's tough to watch. Despite an obvious shortsightedness on an issue he should have been better educated about - he's done so much for Canadian veterans. Fact this came out on November 11t is sad. Right decision, wrong day.

It is sad seeing Cherry go down in flames. There are ways to have difficult conversations about our society and what we should value without sowing divisiness.

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Here is an article from a brown sportswriter which I believe shows an interesting angle and perspective:

https://theathletic.com/1369550/2019/11/11/basu-don-cherry-was-always-a-problem-why-it-took-canada-so-long-to-see-it/

Here is a part of it:

The reason I decided to express an opinion on this man I spend most of my time trying to forget is that I felt an important nuance of what he said Saturday night was being lost. And it was being lost because in order to hear it, you need a bit of a trained ear. And frankly, in the Canadian sports media, there is a decided lack of trained ears.

When Ron MacLean began Sunday night’s “Hometown Hockey” broadcast with an apology, one I took as sincere, he said something that sums up the problem. If you watch the segment of “Coach’s Corner” in question (I will not link to it, you can find it yourself at this point), you will note that MacLean did not even flinch when Cherry mentioned the words “you people” in reference to people who are new to Canada.

There are all sorts of reasons why MacLean should not only have flinched, but pounced. How did Cherry know the people he saw walking around downtown Toronto and Mississauga without poppies were immigrants? Were they wearing signs? Or did they look a certain way and he, in his infinite wisdom, assumed that to be the case?

Well said.  I agree, there are definitely better ways to address the issue that he was trying to express.

[Rue]

14 hours ago, PPC2019 said:

O wow.... A university professor? You could be a great asset. I didn't think the professors spent time on the forums.

I've been kicked off twitter trying to wake up the professors.

I do other shit too. Lol.  By the way "you people" the way he said it meant anyone not just new Canadians which is the actual point. People hear and take things in the context they want it to, to become outraged. I have students claiming I am racist for saying things like "new Canadians pay higher premium rates because they are not considered to have a a sufficient Canadian driving history" which I went on to explain very clearly and I was still accused of being racist by 5 students. I was also accused by them of being a pervert because I used the word  "naked" top describe a case of nuisance in a real case where a neighbour complained about his neighbour being naked in the back yard and I explained he was allowed. I have taught 18 years and been accused of every ism and then some when a mark is too low, etc. Free debate in universities and colleges is censored by administrations who want their cash from international students which amounts to 7 billion a year in Canada. So we cater. We cater to illiteracy, ignorance, closed minds, so that we can fill schools now with international students. Some will go on to do great and wonderful things, others will be a drain on our society because we kiss their asses. Does that make me evil to say? We all say it like it is including you who I disagree with at times. So fking what right? We are supposed to be able to disagree and have opinions. If we say hateful things call us on it sure. He said "you people" as in all Canadians and righteous people recontextualized the word to mean only immigrants.  Well many new Canadians particularly my students do not know Canadian history and ask about poppies and tell me they will never wear them and do not care. It is what it is. Its a fact. Poppies and Canadian history of WW2 or other wars does not resonate with many new Canadians who do not like the Queen, monarchy or are much interested in our past. It is a  fact. It doesn't give me the right to hate any immigrants. My friggin parents were refugees. However I have the right to agree with Cherry because my father was a WW2 vet and he's 95 and I am angry at how so many of "you people" don't give a damn about such sacrifices.

 

[Teena]

4 hours ago, marcus said:

There is a reason why they have punjabi commentary. There is a huge fanbase.

I live in Vancouver and I see Indians, Filipinos, Middle Easterns, Chinese, etc. Canucks fans everywhere. 

Hopefully this won't make your head blow up:

 

Why would it make my head blow up? I was just stating a true fact. I have never seen the show you posted above. It's not broadcasted on the channels on my TV? Nor have I ever witnessed attending a game. Maybe it's weird but it's true. 

[QuebecOverCanada]

I find it disgusting he was fired for saying something a majority of people think. 

[Teena]

25 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

I find it disgusting he was fired for saying something a majority of people think. 

If you read the comment sections on Yahoo, Huff Post, etc. most show overwhelming support for Don Cherry and respect him.

Check it out :

https://ca.yahoo.com/sports/news/report-don-cherry-fired-after-coachs-corner-rant-194524744.html?bcmt=1

[scribblet]

Welcome to Canada where repeatedly wearing blackface gets you elected as PM but where having strong opinions on wearing a poppy gets you fired ... on Remembrance Day yet. 

[Nefarious Banana]

8 hours ago, PPC2019 said:

They take thread drift way to seriously. What fun is always staying on topic? If no one can be themselves, no one wants to be here. If they want more members to join, then let people have their own conversations. It's the middle of the night and I don't see anyone else joining this chat.

This site is over-moderated . . .. .  the ebb and flow of conversation is stifled.  Time-outs, demerit points, deletions, e-mail conformations, constant chiding, etc. make this site a ponderous proposition.

[betsy]

How do you vote?  It won't let me.  I vote NO!

"You people," means new immigrants!  Are new immigrants all visible minorities?  You tell me there are no new white immigrants?

 

Even if he was wrong in making assumptions that people he saw were all new immigrants - can't we give the guy a break for obviously being emotional about Remembrance Day?

Looks like a lot of people are more into policing what other people say - lol, our Canadian soldiers had died for the right to express ourselves!

 

Edited November 12, 2019 by betsy

[Boges]

1 hour ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

I find it disgusting he was fired for saying something a majority of people think. 

A majority of people think Immigrants that don't wear a poppy is a problem? Cite. 

[Boges]

Don Cherry had the chance to apologize, he choose not to. Therefore he can be fired with cause. 

Saying "You People . . . Come Here to the Land of Milk and Honey" is clearly identifying immigrants, and therefore xenophobic. 

If he really wasn't singling out immigrants he could have clarified his statements. But he didn't. 

As noble as the Poppy is, it shouldn't be used a litmus test to how much you love Canada. Those people died for the freedom to wear the poppy, or not to. 

Edited November 12, 2019 by Boges

[Boges]

48 minutes ago, scribblet said:

Welcome to Canada where repeatedly wearing blackface gets you elected as PM but where having strong opinions on wearing a poppy gets you fired ... on Remembrance Day yet. 

JT apologized, Cherry didn't. 

Had JT come out and said Blackface isn't racist and you guys should get over it, then I suspect the election would have gone down much differently. 

[Yzermandius19]

5 minutes ago, Boges said:

Don Cherry had the chance to apologize, he choose not to. Therefore he can be fired with cause. 

Saying "You People . . . Come Here" is clearly identifying immigrants, and therefore xenophobic. 

If he really wasn't singling out immigrants he could have clarified his statements. But he didn't. 

As noble as the Poppy is, it shouldn't be used a litmus test to how much you love Canada. Those people died for the freedom to wear the poppy, or not to. 

He did clarify. Still fired. He said all Canadians should wear poppies, you just ignore it.

Don Cherry is an equal opportunity slammer of Canadians he finds to be unpatriotic and not supportive enough of the troops. Pretending he only slams the immigrants for this is clear cut case of never having actually listened to Don Cherry. He has done this for decades, fyi.

Edited November 12, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

JT apologized, Cherry didn't. 

Had JT come out and said Blackface isn't racist and you guys should get over it, then I suspect the election would have gone down much differently. 

You suspect incorrectly, apologizing simply empowers the cancel culture, but they have a double standard for people whose politics they like versus those they don't like, just like you.