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Is climate change important to canadians   

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  1. 1. How much would you be willing to give or contribute through taxes or donation to climate change

    • Nothing, either you don't care or are not convinced yet
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    • more than $100.00, but less than $ 200.00, i care but it is not a top priority
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    • more than $ 200.00 but less than 500.00 , I do care
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    • Anything it takes as we are in a climate emergancy...
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2 minutes ago, PPC2019 said:

That you build refineries that can upgrade bitumen. That means thousands of jobs. I don't even care if it's an expensive process. That just means more jobs for Canadians!

 

Of course, but many partisan Canadians would rather fight over pipelines and climate change.   And Trudeau doesn't have the balls to force a national directive for pipeline or refinery infrastructure.     So it still goes to the Americans...at a steep discount.  

 

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We in Finland are told by the greenie-lefties how we would need 3 extra-planets if all the people in the world consumed like we in Finland do. The sensible people reply to that if the rest of the world reproduced at the rate how the Finns reproduce we would need half a planet. 

In Northern countries such as Finland, and surely Canada too, unless you go live in a cave and eat snow in winter you are unlikely to come at the top of the calculations  low your carbon-footprint is.

I don't drive, I have given up flying a long time ago and I haven't produced children to this world. Yet I assume my carbon footprint is higher than almost anyone living more to the south who has done all those things.

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3 minutes ago, PPC2019 said:

That you build refineries that can upgrade bitumen. That means thousands of jobs. I don't even care if it's an expensive process. That just means more jobs for Canadians!

It should be all about all Canadians, and not just a minority of Canadians. 

 

6 minutes ago, PPC2019 said:

That you build refineries that can upgrade bitumen. That means thousands of jobs. I don't even care if it's an expensive process. That just means more jobs for Canadians!

If our dear leaders did not have a problem blowing our tax dollars on the rest of the world and new legal and illegal refugees, than they should be able to find plenty of tax dollars to deploy and spread around in Canada and for Canadians also. Think about all those hundreds of billions of our tax dollars that are being blown on refugees and foreign aid. That money alone could help create thousands of new jobs in Canada for Canadians. Gesus, when are we ever going to get our politicians to start thinking about Canada and it's citizen's first, and not the rest of the bloody third world? Why are my taxes being wasted on criminal illegals and handing my tax dollars over to some foreign country? Money collected in taxes in Canada should stay in Canada for Canadians benefit, not giving away to a bunch of foreigners who mean nothing to Canada. If anyone wants to donate their own money to other countries in the form of foreign aid then go ahead make your day. Just leave my tax dollars at home for me. This is rant number 263.:D

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5 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

We in Finland are told by the greenie-lefties how we would need 3 extra-planets if all the people in the world consumed like we in Finland do. The sensible people reply to that if the rest of the world reproduced at the rate how the Finns reproduce we would need half a planet. 

In Northern countries such as Finland, and surely Canada too, unless you go live in a cave and eat snow in winter you are unlikely to come at the top of the calculations  low your carbon-footprint is.

I don't drive, I have given up flying a long time ago and I haven't produced children to this world. Yet I assume my carbon footprint is higher than almost anyone living more to the south who has done all those things.

I am a big contributor to global warming/climate change and I could careless about it. Mainly because I do not believe in climate change at all. How dare of me to say this? :lol:

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6 minutes ago, taxme said:

I am a big contributor to global warming/climate change and I could careless about it. Mainly because I do not believe in climate change at all. How dare of me to say this? :lol:

Well I believe man made climate change is real, but I don't give lip service to it... Because I don't want it used as a Trojan Horse, so the globalist can have an excuse to drive down wages.

I also think the climate system is like an elastic band, there more we push it... the more it will auto-correct itself.

The oceans might rise a foot or so.... Manitoba might get to grow wine. The sky's not going on fire.

 

Also this falls been pretty damn cold in Ontario. We had snow in the end of October... 10 years ago we didn't get snow until mid December.

It might be that the early 2000's were hotter than the 2010's. Maybe there is a 50 year cycle?

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21 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

We in Finland are told by the greenie-lefties how we would need 3 extra-planets if all the people in the world consumed like we in Finland do. The sensible people reply to that if the rest of the world reproduced at the rate how the Finns reproduce we would need half a planet. 

In Northern countries such as Finland, and surely Canada too, unless you go live in a cave and eat snow in winter you are unlikely to come at the top of the calculations  low your carbon-footprint is.

I don't drive, I have given up flying a long time ago and I haven't produced children to this world. Yet I assume my carbon footprint is higher than almost anyone living more to the south who has done all those things.

Well I was told we would need 7 planets, if everyone live like a Canadian.

 

This is basically the globalist saying... We think we should reduce your wages by 7 times....

 

But everyone's missing the big picture... If we reduced the worlds population by 7 times, wouldn't that end that argument?

Gradual depopulation is the answer, than you don't have to pick winners and losers.

 

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Meanwhile, back at the Climate Change Alarmist ranch:

 

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Canada, South Korea and Australia are the farthest from meeting targets to cut emissions in line with their Paris Agreement commitments, but those commitments are nowhere close to enough, the report says. Canada's per-capita emissions, the greenhouse gases it releases divided by the number of people who live here, are the second-highest in the G20, behind only Australia.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/canada-climate-action-1.5355517

 

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1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Meanwhile, back at the Climate Change Alarmist ranch:

 

 

Maybe it's time to Study climate change for real? Did the scientist fake numbers?

All I know is what I can see with my eyes... And it's been Colder than normal for the last 4 weeks.

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3 hours ago, PPC2019 said:

Maybe it's time to Study climate change for real? Did the scientist fake numbers?

All I know is what I can see with my eyes... And it's been Colder than normal for the last 4 weeks.

Is this how you formulate your opinion? That's kind of sad.

In case you were interested in real information:

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17 hours ago, Argus said:

Countries that are screwed up are screwed up because of their ignorance, corruption and ultimately, their values.

That the far left constantly looks for some white guy to blame for all the developing world's problems is due to the inherent bigotry of the Left in emotionally equating non-whites to ignorant, helpless, innocent children incapable of taking care of themselves or making their own decisions.

If by "some white guy" you mean the US of Asshole, you're approaching reality. 

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On 11/8/2019 at 4:13 PM, cougar said:

I was trying to figure out how exactly you meaningfully reduced your carbon footprint , reading your statements above, but could not.

All you did was point a finger at me, but no legitimate arguments to disprove what I said were made.

I will repeat again:

PAYING MORE TAXES HAS NO POSITIVE IMPACT TO OUR ENVIRONMENT!

You pay what you want, or what you can, but do not try to sell me a tax collection scam!

That was an anecdotal example of things that are being done.

I did not say raise my taxes and everything will be ok, I said that if I could be shown  realistic, pragmatic policy to actually deal with the problem, I would gladly help pay for it.

I was also offering up other real world solutions outside of gov't. If memory serves me the NGO we dealt with primarily rehabed manufacturing plants to be more energy efficient and helped in the construction of new plants for the same purposes. My company donated to them out of pocket, check out the business concept PPP (people, planet, profit) in a nut shell , impact on community and the environment are part of the bottom line.

Do you have any actual ideas, proposals, or solutions? because so far all you're saying is gov't bad, business bad. How does that help move us forward?

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On 11/7/2019 at 9:03 PM, Army Guy said:

Please , Lets be honest here we all are concerned with how much taxes we pay and where it goes, and we are already paying higher taxes that are not going to producing any viable results, we also found out that the carbon tax is not fully costed out to meet Paris accord agreed upon numbers , to do that we are going to pay out double of what the max figure was … according to Barbie.... so this is going to cost more than a few thousand dollars....and for the same result ….nothing...

If Canadians wanted this climate emergency seriously they would have looked to the green party for results...but they did not, because it involves more sacrifice than they are willing to pay out..... I aware of what the above poll points to, but in reality that did not happen....the fact that the greens only have 3 seats is telling....or should I say the party with the best platform to fight climate change ""if this was a climate emergency" which it is not, life will be on this planet in 10 , 20, 30 years from now..

Until the current governments federal and provincial  take climate change seriously , how can we expect the population to.. lets not even talk about all the other countries, that are not interested in doing the same sacrificing their current standard of living. How do you suggest we change minds when there is NO plan of attack, at any level of government there is no incentives for companies to produce in mass qty green tech...What we lack is leadership.... to deliver that incentive for everyone to jump in board....thats not defeatist attitude that is todays reality.  what is it that my mother used to say actions speak louder than words, Canadians put their votes into action and quit clearly voted for Barbies climate plan, which does little for anybody.... 

Agreed, gov't apathy on any particular issue is directly related to voter apathy on the same issue. However, this is par for the course, up and until we decide that any single issue is important enough that a majority of Canadians want it, gov't won't act against the status quo. Therfore we must force gov't to act like we've done many times before (health care, right to vote, civil unions between same sex couples etc.) but in the mean time each individual should do what they can.

My mom told me " Think global, act local"

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On 11/11/2019 at 11:31 AM, PPC2019 said:

I want a future, where humans don't feel like capitalism is immoral, or their wealth is a burden on the planet.

Unfortunately, were going in the direction, where more and more people are freaking out... hating capitalism... terrified of over consuming.

Then you need a future where humans can trust their governments.  I fear capitalism because of the ease by which governments allow immoral influences to bear on just about anything lobbyists and politicians want. I'm terrified by the newfound respectability being afforded dictators and tyrants by governments that should know better.

I hate the way we let our governments get away with it.

 

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We're playing Russian roulette with endangered species... I don't want to pick sides... So I want to lower our numbers to shrink the system. I want the tension to stop.

We're playing it with ourselves, other species are collateral damage. You have no choice but to pick a side.  You need to make the the system accountable to a degree that would make Orwell blush.  I'd start by outlawing in-camera lobbying and I suspect it might be the only reform we really need.

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I don't want to become an extremist to save the environment... I want the system to stop growing, so we have a fair chance at managing it.

I think getting people to have 2 kids is far less serious than future generations living under eco-tyranny with high unemployment.

Blocking resource development is eco-tyranny, it it's creating massive deficits, and huge unemployment in Alberta.

If they had stopped population growth, a long time ago. We could all the resource development want, and not worry about tipping the scale, or runaway feedback loops causing ecological collapse.

What we're seeing in Canada is the consequences of overpopulation, and we have allowed ourselves to become the scapegoat for the world's carbon emissions.

The only side i'm picking is ethical downsizing, and the localization of supply chains.

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On 11/11/2019 at 5:07 PM, PPC2019 said:

Well I believe man made climate change is real, but I don't give lip service to it... Because I don't want it used as a Trojan Horse, so the globalist can have an excuse to drive down wages.

I also think the climate system is like an elastic band, there more we push it... the more it will auto-correct itself.

The oceans might rise a foot or so.... Manitoba might get to grow wine. The sky's not going on fire.

 

Also this falls been pretty damn cold in Ontario. We had snow in the end of October... 10 years ago we didn't get snow until mid December.

It might be that the early 2000's were hotter than the 2010's. Maybe there is a 50 year cycle?

Mother nature at work. The earth has gone thru many cycles. IMHO, all mother is doing is rearranging the earths geography/weather furniture which she has been doing for millions of years. I believe it was about 15,000 years ago that pretty much all of North America was buried under 100's of feet of ice and snow. It all eventually melted away, and we are none the worse for it. The earth has gone thru probably hundreds of thousands of hurricanes, fires, flooding's, tornadoes, landslides, cyclones, volcanic eruptions, tsunamis, and so much more, but yet, the earth is still around, and so are we.

More carbon in the air means more greenier and more trees. Humans need carbon in the air to grow their foods and to be able to breath thanks to the trees. Sure there are some changes happening in the world but I am not about to get all panicky over those changes. If they happen, they happen, and there is not a dam thing that man/woman can do about it other than maybe cut back on world population. But the environ"mental"ists want more population to be able to keep pushing their not so scary prediction agendas that we only have twelve years left. Better start enjoying life now. 12 years can go by very fast. I have found that out. ;) 

We have to look at the bright side of things that maybe one day soon Canada will become snow less. We could be on a beach somewhere in Canada in January one day. Hey, you never know, eh? Lucky grandchildren, and great grandchildren. I can hear Greta Thornburg now? "How dare you" talk like this, taxme. Oh pizz off. Lol. 

 

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3 hours ago, PPC2019 said:

I don't want to become an extremist to save the environment... I want the system to stop growing, so we have a fair chance at managing it.

I think getting people to have 2 kids is far less serious than future generations living under eco-tyranny with high unemployment.

Blocking resource development is eco-tyranny, it it's creating massive deficits, and huge unemployment in Alberta.

If they had stopped population growth, a long time ago. We could all the resource development want, and not worry about tipping the scale, or runaway feedback loops causing ecological collapse.

What we're seeing in Canada is the consequences of overpopulation, and we have allowed ourselves to become the scapegoat for the world's carbon emissions.

The only side i'm picking is ethical downsizing, and the localization of supply chains.

What is needed is to knock off the a few billions of the worlds population, and start in the third world. I am told here many times that Canada needs more immigration because our population is too low. But all I can see is the Canadian population growing every year by the hundreds of thousands. The bigger our population gets the more carbon emissions will be created. These pro-immigration people want to make things worse in Canada rather than better. Does anybody in this country know as to what the hell they want or what they are talking about? Canadians? An exercise in futility. :unsure:

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23 hours ago, PPC2019 said:

Maybe it's time to Study climate change for real? Did the scientist fake numbers?

All I know is what I can see with my eyes... And it's been Colder than normal for the last 4 weeks.

Maybe those scientists were paid off to try and make things appear as though they are getting worse than what they really are? When you get an idiot like democrat socialist AOC saying that if we do nothing now, in 12 years it will be too late. Hopefully, in one year, Trump will be able to put AOC out of her misery and out to pasture with some of those flatulent producing cows out there. :lol:

So true. Believe what you see. I do. I wonder how many Canadians have been hurt by this so called global warming/climate change nonsense? Maybe some of them here can tell me as to how things have got worse for them? I am ready to hear from them. 

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5 minutes ago, taxme said:

Maybe those scientists were paid off to try and make things appear as though they are getting worse than what they really are? When you get an idiot like democrat socialist AOC saying that if we do nothing now, in 12 years it will be too late. Hopefully, in one year, Trump will be able to put AOC out of her misery and out to pasture with some of those flatulent producing cows out there. :lol:

So true. Believe what you see. I do. I wonder how many Canadians have been hurt by this so called global warming/climate change nonsense? Maybe some of them here can tell me as to how things have got worse for them? I am ready to hear from them. 

It's very hard to imagine how they could pay off 3500 scientists working for the IPCC in the 2000's. I tend to think climate change is real, because how do you convince every scientist to lie?

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7 minutes ago, PPC2019 said:

It's very hard to imagine how they could pay off 3500 scientists working for the IPCC in the 2000's. I tend to think climate change is real, because how do you convince every scientist to lie?

But does all those 3500 scientists believe that there is a real problem, or is it just a few, and those few were given credibility by the climate change promoters, and paid off too lie? Many scientists have already said that they did not believe that climate change is as bad as we are all told. Maybe they were paid off too? Who knows, but I will never believe any of it because I do not see any real global warming/climate change happening outside my front door nor effecting me in anyway. I may start to pay attention when I see ocean water lapping at my front door. I am four floors up living in a condo. Lol. And according to some scientists, the temperature could possibly go as high as 2 degrees by the end of the century which is another 81 years away. 2 degrees warmer is no big deal. Instead of it being 30 below zero in the Arctic today, it will now be 28 below zero by 2100. No need to panic today. 

I always keep saying to those climate fear mongering people that I know that when I see all the ice and snow on the top of Mt. Baker in Washington state melt away I may then start to believe in some global warming going on, not that I have anything against the planet warming up. But why does no one in the science world or in the fake MSM say the words global warming anymore? Is it because today in Chicago it was 10 F, and not 50 F, like it should be, and that there does not appear to be any kind of global warming going on in Chicago these days? All you need is to get a few scientists to lie, give them some publicity, and voila they will thus spread the climate change bull chit. I think that I am smart enough to know and realize today that this world is made up mostly of lies and bull chit. I do not believe anything all that much anymore especially what is told to me by the media, politicians or scientists. just saying. 

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41 minutes ago, taxme said:

But does all those 3500 scientists believe that there is a real problem, or is it just a few, and those few were given credibility by the climate change promoters, and paid off too lie? Many scientists have already said that they did not believe that climate change is as bad as we are all told. Maybe they were paid off too? Who knows, but I will never believe any of it because I do not see any real global warming/climate change happening outside my front door nor effecting me in anyway. I may start to pay attention when I see ocean water lapping at my front door. I am four floors up living in a condo. Lol. And according to some scientists, the temperature could possibly go as high as 2 degrees by the end of the century which is another 81 years away. 2 degrees warmer is no big deal. Instead of it being 30 below zero in the Arctic today, it will now be 28 below zero by 2100. No need to panic today. 

I always keep saying to those climate fear mongering people that I know that when I see all the ice and snow on the top of Mt. Baker in Washington state melt away I may then start to believe in some global warming going on, not that I have anything against the planet warming up. But why does no one in the science world or in the fake MSM say the words global warming anymore? Is it because today in Chicago it was 10 F, and not 50 F, like it should be, and that there does not appear to be any kind of global warming going on in Chicago these days? All you need is to get a few scientists to lie, give them some publicity, and voila they will thus spread the climate change bull chit. I think that I am smart enough to know and realize today that this world is made up mostly of lies and bull chit. I do not believe anything all that much anymore especially what is told to me by the media, politicians or scientists. just saying. 

I wanna know for certain. How bad is climate change going to be, my biggest fear is sea level rise... 5 feet would destroy all the worlds beaches. It would be a total disaster for tourism.

I still think we are killing ourselves arguing over things that we can only improve 5 or 10%,

I mean if we really headed towards climate Armageddon, wouldn't thermonuclear war be necessary to block out the sun?

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I mean I've told people my biggest fears because of my environmental background. I think people get what i'm saying they are just afraid to accept it. I haven't been ridiculed about it as I have on other forums.

They usually lose the argument when they say.... The world has plenty of food, and everyone is eating or they be dead.

They say Malthus was wrong... People didn't starve to death, but I don't define overpopulation by weather or not people can eat.

What they don't take into consideration is the massive amounts of land were using for Agriculture.

If BC didn't have mountains, all you see would be endless farms, like we have in south western Ontario. Those early pioneers decimated entire ecosystems, and never thought about saving some of that land for future generations.

We don't have beautiful wilderness surrounding Toronto. You have to drive to the Canadian shield before you see any decent forests.

Southern Ontario use to have forests surrounding them like BC. Look at that massive hole in the middle. Now why on earth do the globalist want to push Toronto up to 20 million by the end of the century?

Will never get that land back, because how can we afford to buy back farms, and replant ecosystem? Private owners would have to agree to donate land in a 100 years or so. I'm going to sound like a lefty for a second, but settle culture was incredibly wasteful. We didn't need to scorch the earth in southern Ontario.

Food costs are going to soar if we continue to bring in mass immigration, just because we're jealous of New York City. The whole world needs to wake up and take personal responsibility. Make sure not to have more than 2 kids, or there will be nothing left.

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59 minutes ago, PPC2019 said:

I wanna know for certain. How bad is climate change going to be, my biggest fear is sea level rise... 5 feet would destroy all the worlds beaches. It would be a total disaster for tourism.

I still think we are killing ourselves arguing over things that we can only improve 5 or 10%,

I mean if we really headed towards climate Armageddon, wouldn't thermonuclear war be necessary to block out the sun?

By the time the sea levels rise by 5 feet, you will be dead and gone and long forgotten. I was watching a video on Youtube the other day, and in that video this climate scientist fellow was saying that wherever the glaciers have melted, the land that was underneath those glaciers started to rise up. So, as we can see, wherever glaciers melt land rises up. so, we may lose land, but it would appear as though we gain it back. This just shows us all as to how much those glaciers can weigh. Interesting indeed. 

You only need to start worrying about climate change and flooding when there is water lying on the front steps of your house. As I said already, when the water level reaches the fourth floor of my condo, I will then really start to worry. Lol. 

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7 hours ago, taxme said:

By the time the sea levels rise by 5 feet, you will be dead and gone and long forgotten. I was watching a video on Youtube the other day, and in that video this climate scientist fellow was saying that wherever the glaciers have melted, the land that was underneath those glaciers started to rise up. So, as we can see, wherever glaciers melt land rises up. so, we may lose land, but it would appear as though we gain it back. This just shows us all as to how much those glaciers can weigh. Interesting indeed. 

You only need to start worrying about climate change and flooding when there is water lying on the front steps of your house. As I said already, when the water level reaches the fourth floor of my condo, I will then really start to worry. Lol. 

No, you'll start to worry when those on the third floor kick your door in.

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