What more liberal lies, Carbon pricing to almost double....

[Army Guy]

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Earlier this week, The Globe and Mail reported that Environment Minister Catherine McKenna had backed off her prior pledge that the Liberals, if re-elected, would not hike the federal carbon tax above the current ceiling of $50 a ton (the tax is rising at $10 a year and will hit $50 by 2022). Several months ago, McKenna had been clear that the Liberals would hold the line at $50. She was asked because her own ministry’s numbers showed that the Liberals’ current plan was going to miss, by a huge margin, the Paris Agreement goals Canada is committed to, and that it would require a major boost in the carbon tax to close the gap. How major? Slightly more than doubling it, from $50 to $102. As it is, Canada was on track to miss our Paris target by as much carbon as Saskatchewan or Quebec emit in a year. Without a much higher tax, we’re not even close.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/elections/matt-gurney-for-a-moment-i-dared-hope-our-climate-policy-debate-would-be-less-stupid/ar-AAGpdlB?ocid=spartanntp

The liberals have known for months that the version of carbon taxes they tried to sell us would only get us 50 % of the way to our agreed Paris accord goals....we will just chalk all this up as another lie , I mean what is one more right, I can't even remember them all, ....This is not something new is it, we also signed an agreement to meet NATO's request to spend 2 % or more of our GDP, and once we are pressured we change our minds....nope we decided we are only going to spend 1.5 %....whats 1/2 percentage point between allied…  

This coming from a government that did declare a climate emergency right, one would think they would atleast take it seriously , punch up all the numbers , check it twice before declaring to the country and the world we are in a climate emergency...No instead they decided to cover it up, that is until climate Barbie spilled the beans oooppppssss ….. perhaps it was she never yelled it loud enough and often enough for us to believe it....So when is it they planed to let us know how much all of this is going to cost us....well not before the election....might be one or two liberals with half decent morals and values....and decide to vote against them....The liberals are on track for telling the most lies, set by a male porn star...."i'm allergenic to rubber baby, it will be all right...you'll see".

 

 

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That’s what was so exciting about the Globe reporting that McKenna was backing off, even a little bit, her previously clear statement. “Environment Minister Catherine McKenna has backed off a pledge to freeze the carbon tax at $50 a tonne after 2022,” the Globe story began, “saying a re-elected Liberal government would review the levy with provinces before deciding how to proceed.” The Globe story continued: “(McKenna) said the government had no plan to increase the tax, but would make a decision on future levels toward the end of the next mandate after consultations with provinces, territories, businesses and Canadians more broadly.”

 

[Dougie93]

The real crisis in Canada, the cost of living crisis.

Whatevs, I can afford it, the trick to living in a country run by elites, is to amass capital to afford the rates.

Accelerationism ftw.

The Cons tax is no better, there is no escape from the Elite Consensus..

Doesn't matter who you vote for there will be a carbon tax of one sort or another.

It's like tickets to heaven, you are purchasing your virtue, Climate Barbie just wants to save your soul.

Repent, sinners.

Edited August 31, 2019 by Dougie93

[egghead]

15 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

The real crisis in Canada, the cost of living crisis.

Whatevs, I can afford it, the trick to living in a country run by elites, is to amass capital to afford the rates.

Accelerationism ftw.

The Cons tax is no better, there is no escape from the Elite Consensus..

Doesn't matter who you vote for there will be a carbon tax of one sort or another.

It's like tickets to heaven, you are purchasing your virtue, Climate Barbie just wants to save your soul.

Repent, sinners.

ya, you are right. Libs completely forget the trickle down effect of the carbon tax, may be they all skipped the arithmetic progression class in school.

Now, Libs are killing the middle class, and Canada is moving to a 'M' society. Before long, we will see rich people flying carbon neutral and normal people walking few miles to work. 

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, egghead said:

ya, you are right. Libs completely forget the trickle down effect of the carbon tax, may be they all skipped the arithmetic progression class in school.

Now, Libs are killing the middle class, and Canada is moving to a 'M' society. Before long, we will see rich people flying carbon neutral and normal people walking few miles to work. 

Trudeau is the Papists selling Tickets to Heaven which Canadians must go ever deeper into debt to afford.

The Liberals of Quebec are the last Remnants of the House of Bourbon.

The House of Bourbon was the Empire of the Papists, Tickets to Heaven is how the Bourbon Kings would pay their way in.

Climate Barbie is Trudeau's Marie Antoinette.

What does she say to Canadians who cannot afford the Tickets to Heaven? 

What she always says; "Let Them Eat Cake"

[taxme]

7 minutes ago, egghead said:

ya, you are right. Libs completely forget the trickle down effect of the carbon tax, may be they all skipped the arithmetic progression class in school.

Now, Libs are killing the middle class, and Canada is moving to a 'M' society. Before long, we will see rich people flying carbon neutral and normal people walking few miles to work. 

When we all see that global warming pushers like Al Gore and David Suzuki and Leo De"crap"io start practicing what they preach, then maybe the fools could believe them if they so choose. Just those three misfits alone contribute and who have many houses between them, fly around in private airplanes, drive around in big gas guzzling vehicles, and would never dare give up their air conditioners in the summer time. But they believe that the rest of us peons should do as they say and not as they do. 

The leftist lieberal Canadian globalists are killing Canada, period and could careless as to what it will cost the average Canadian taxpayer will have to pay. Want more new taxes, more government, and more red tape, and more attacks on freedom of expression than vote for globalists like Trudeau, Scheer, May or Singh. They will give you plenty more of what I mentioned above. They all are in favor of more carbon taxes, government and less freedom. Maxine Bernier is Canada's last hope and saviour.  Believe it or not. 

[Dougie93]

Obviously as an United Empire Loyalist Orangeman of Upper Canada, I Protest.

Confederation however is a failed state which allows the Liberals to maintain an asymmetrical dictatorship, otherwise known as the Elite Consensus, which is a deep state entrenched.

Jeffery Simpson called it the Benign Dictatorship, but I reject the notion that it is benign, rather it is revolutionary to the rule of the British Crown, they are pretenders to the throne.

But since I am simply one man, I cannot save Canada from itself, all I can do is look out for my own interests as a free individual which are no longer the interests of this state.

This includes getting out of the Fake Work Make Work is Bullshit Jobs are Jails.   

Reason being, you can't make the capital required to keep up with the cost of living crisis, you can't get far enough ahead working for them man, even the middle class cannot keep up now.

[taxme]

16 hours ago, Army Guy said:

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/elections/matt-gurney-for-a-moment-i-dared-hope-our-climate-policy-debate-would-be-less-stupid/ar-AAGpdlB?ocid=spartanntp

The liberals have known for months that the version of carbon taxes they tried to sell us would only get us 50 % of the way to our agreed Paris accord goals....we will just chalk all this up as another lie , I mean what is one more right, I can't even remember them all, ....This is not something new is it, we also signed an agreement to meet NATO's request to spend 2 % or more of our GDP, and once we are pressured we change our minds....nope we decided we are only going to spend 1.5 %....whats 1/2 percentage point between allied…  

This coming from a government that did declare a climate emergency right, one would think they would atleast take it seriously , punch up all the numbers , check it twice before declaring to the country and the world we are in a climate emergency...No instead they decided to cover it up, that is until climate Barbie spilled the beans oooppppssss ….. perhaps it was she never yelled it loud enough and often enough for us to believe it....So when is it they planed to let us know how much all of this is going to cost us....well not before the election....might be one or two liberals with half decent morals and values....and decide to vote against them....The liberals are on track for telling the most lies, set by a male porn star...."i'm allergenic to rubber baby, it will be all right...you'll see".

 

 

 

There is no climate emergency, just a made up bull chit climate emergency that appears to have millions of fools all up in arms over it. My grand kids are being fed this global climate crises crap in school by a bunch of leftist liberal pro globalist teachers. The forests fires in the Amazon happen every year and is nothing new just like the forests fires in Australia and California every year is nothing new. These natural disasters have been happening for centuries and we are all still alive.

This panic over a 1.5 degree warm up hike in temperature in the next decade is not something that anyone should get their knickers all wet. So, the temperature in the Arctic will be 28 below today instead of being 30 below yesterday is of no real big concern. The pictures that we are shown on propaganda TV are pictures taken of natural occurrences that happen every year somewhere on planet earth every summer. The only climate concern that we will all see will be a big concern for those who profit from this global warming so called bs crises like Suzuki, Gore and De"crap"io. Those three plus so many others will never give up their flying or driving around in their gas guzzling machines, nor will they ever give up their air conditioners in the hot humid summer days of summer nor sell off all their several mansions that they all have. The earth has been ravished forever since time began and the earth has survived up too today. Relax people and chill out. There is no climate crises. It's all made up bull chit that is being dumped on you by a bunch of globalist liars. My opinion. What is yours? 

[Dougie93]

There is no Climate Emergency, this is a Big Lie told.   But the emergency rubric is to bum rush Canadians into clambering to buy their Tickets to Heaven, before it's too late.

The Church of Climate Doom is the Whore of Babylon still.

Thus why I cannot even self identify as Canadian anymore, as Canadian is nothing more than the totalitarian dogma of the Elite Consensus.

I don't actually report to them tho, Julie Payette is not Empress, Justin Trudeau is not King.

Canada is a dynastic monarchy still, Mother Canada is VRI: Victoria Queen and Empress, heirs and successors, Elizabeth Windsor is an Hanoverian.

God save the Queen, Julie Payette is a seat warmer, she can be hired and fired by the Prime Minister, so obviously is ceremonial and not Callsign Constitutional Monarch Actual.

[taxme]

19 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Obviously as an United Empire Loyalist Orangeman of Upper Canada, I Protest.

Confederation however is a failed state which allows the Liberals to maintain an asymmetrical dictatorship, otherwise known as the Elite Consensus, which is a deep state entrenched.

Jeffery Simpson called it the Benign Dictatorship, but I reject the notion that it is benign, rather it is revolutionary to the rule of the British Crown, they are pretenders to the throne.

But since I am simply one man, I cannot save Canada from itself, all I can do is look out for my own interests as a free individual which are no longer the interests of this state.

This includes getting out of the Fake Work Make Work is Bullshit Jobs are Jails.   

Reason being, you can't make the capital required to keep up with the cost of living crisis, you can't get far enough ahead working for them man, even the middle class cannot keep up now.

As long as Canadians keep accepting and keep playing the docile game then there will be more new taxes, more government/red tape, and more attacks on their freedom of expression. They will never get anywhere except maybe towards bankruptcy as so many have. They cannot keep allowing their globalist leftist leaders to keep spending their tax dollars on so many useless leftist globalist programs and agendas that are doing nothing for them. They have to start getting involved.  

[Dougie93]

The Elite Consensus cannot be brought down by voting, Canada is not a republic, that's not how British Westminster Parliamentary Supremacy works.

You elect an MP,  that MP swears an oath to the Queen,

To prevent things going off the rails into tyranny and totalitarianism, those MP's must hold to their oaths to HM not the PM.

Jody Raybould Wilson and the other broad, what's her face, they did the job, they did what they swore to do.

Most MP's however, are cronies.  But that is who Canadians choose to elect.  It's still a free country in theory, so you can in practice vote for a tyranny at your leisure,

The MP's however are supposed to save your from yourselves, by tempering that with the authority of the Queen, in defence of Her rule.

The Liberals however are totally Americanized, they are de facto republicans, that's the nature of their Potemkin Village Post National State facade.

The Liberals are simply the farm team for the Democrat Party.

Canada is like America, if the Democrat Party had carte blanche and no American constitution to stop them.

The Liberals alone wrote the Charter, the Charter is not like the American constitution, the Liberals have the power of the Queen, without actually being loyal to Her.

The Liberals weaponized the Charter with poison pills which make  it not into a shield for the individual, but rather a sword for the far left extremist kooks and virtue signalling priggish moral panic monkeys.

Edited August 31, 2019 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

It's all of a piece, all roads on the left now and most on the right, lead to the same place.

Climate Doom.

Speech Banning.

Gun Grabbing.

Virtue Signalling.

Purity Spiraling.

Gay Bashing.

Gay Hugging.

Terrorist Panicking.

Terrorist Hugging.

Freedom Hating. 

Recoiling from freedom.

Fear and loathing of it.

It's all the same thing.  

It's called Moral Panic. 

 

[Dougie93]

Enter the greatest Canadian of them all,  the Prophet of the Information Age, marching side by side with Alan Turing.

He predicted this war, this is exactly where he theorized we were going.

This is the Information War.

The Westphalian Nation State itself is starting to fade, while everyone self selects to their sovereign of choice, Virtual Nation States.

This is now starting to tear the failed state Confederation apart at the seams.

Alberta is part of one Virtual Nation State, Eastern Canada is part of another, the Dutch Disease is becoming a cancer in the bones of Canada, which already has weak bones to start off with.

This is why things are going totalitarian, the Elite Consensus is starting to panic in the face of the Information Age Revolution now, this is Canada's version of Return to Normalcy.

The dislocation people are feeling is the onset of the Marshall McLuhan future, none the less, it's frightening, that is what is inciting the Moral Panic,

Just as he prophecized it would, back when we didn't really get what he was talking about.

That's why he's Canada's Einstein, so far ahead of us, we couldn't even envision what it was going to be like back then.

It's like tv except we're all on tv and tv is just an ocean we all swim in, what?  Come again?

From Orwell we understood what Telescreen looked like, they watch you, you watch them, but the idea that you could go into the Telescreen and be everywhere at once, that was so new we couldn't grasp how that would work.

Edited August 31, 2019 by Dougie93

[egghead]

20 hours ago, taxme said:

There is no climate emergency, just a made up bull chit climate emergency that appears to have millions of fools all up in arms over it. My grand kids are being fed this global climate crises crap in school by a bunch of leftist liberal pro globalist teachers. The forests fires in the Amazon happen every year and is nothing new just like the forests fires in Australia and California every year is nothing new. These natural disasters have been happening for centuries and we are all still alive.

This panic over a 1.5 degree warm up hike in temperature in the next decade is not something that anyone should get their knickers all wet. So, the temperature in the Arctic will be 28 below today instead of being 30 below yesterday is of no real big concern. The pictures that we are shown on propaganda TV are pictures taken of natural occurrences that happen every year somewhere on planet earth every summer. The only climate concern that we will all see will be a big concern for those who profit from this global warming so called bs crises like Suzuki, Gore and De"crap"io. Those three plus so many others will never give up their flying or driving around in their gas guzzling machines, nor will they ever give up their air conditioners in the hot humid summer days of summer nor sell off all their several mansions that they all have. The earth has been ravished forever since time began and the earth has survived up too today. Relax people and chill out. There is no climate crises. It's all made up bull chit that is being dumped on you by a bunch of globalist liars. My opinion. What is yours? 

Ask your grand kids this how may leftist liberal pro are promoting planning tree in their school? The truth is that no one really understands the whole earth system, and we are just throwing darts in the dark ride.

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They have this kind of news, completely don't make sense

Human civilisation could end by 2050 as experts warn climate change will cause ecological collapse followed by disease pandemics, nuclear war and lethal heatwaves

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7103089/Human-civilisation-end-2050.html

or,

The EIGHT ways the world could END! How asteroids, supervolcanoes, killer robots and even ALIENS could trigger the apocalypse (noted: one of ways is Climate change)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7411463/EIGHT-ways-world-END-supervolcanoes-robots-ALIENS-trigger-apocalypse.html

 

BTW, That Amazon fires is a man made fire.

[taxme]

4 hours ago, egghead said:

Ask your grand kids this how may leftist liberal pro are promoting planning tree in their school? The truth is that no one really understands the whole earth system, and we are just throwing darts in the dark ride.

 

BTW, That Amazon fires is a man made fire.

Our grand kids should be thankful for carbon in the air. They are alive because of it. But not all fires that have gone on in the Amazon over the eons were created by someone. Some were for real. According to some scientists there are more trees being grown on earth today than decades ago because of global warming. You see, more so called greenhouse gases in the atmosphere means more trees will be born. Trees survive on the carbon in the air. Without carbon there would be no trees and no you.

So, it makes no sense to me as to why anyone would want to cut back on carbon. Do you want to stop breathing? The earth has been pretty much mean to itself over the millions of years that earth has been around, from fires, floods, hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, and so much more, but yet the earth is still around. 

There are some people who do understand the whole earth system. And then there are others who try to make money off of it by promoting scare tactics like the world is going to come to an end in 10 years if people do not cut back on their use of fossil fuels. It's funny though that the ones telling the people to give up their lifestyle are the ones who do not practice what they preach. This alone should make everyone skeptical about this so called global warming nonsense.  

[egghead]

 

1 hour ago, taxme said:

Our grand kids should be thankful for carbon in the air. They are alive because of it. But not all fires that have gone on in the Amazon over the eons were created by someone. Some were for real. According to some scientists there are more trees being grown on earth today than decades ago because of global warming. You see, more so called greenhouse gases in the atmosphere means more trees will be born. Trees survive on the carbon in the air. Without carbon there would be no trees and no you.

So, it makes no sense to me as to why anyone would want to cut back on carbon. Do you want to stop breathing? The earth has been pretty much mean to itself over the millions of years that earth has been around, from fires, floods, hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, and so much more, but yet the earth is still around. 

There are some people who do understand the whole earth system. And then there are others who try to make money off of it by promoting scare tactics like the world is going to come to an end in 10 years if people do not cut back on their use of fossil fuels. It's funny though that the ones telling the people to give up their lifestyle are the ones who do not practice what they preach. This alone should make everyone skeptical about this so called global warming nonsense.  

 

Ya, globlal warming helps the plant growth (just learn that  few weeks ago). When I say "asking about tree planning" (trees may help CO2 ), I mean trees can absorb CO2 too. Why we must have green new deal, not trees new deal?

[OftenWrong]

Use of the term "Climate Emergency" at this early stage is disingenuous. Ordinary people are not that stupid. Sure, we may react with concern right away at such an announcement, but let's face it, the weather was damned fine all summer. Ordinary people are going to notice this as a form of virtue-signalling that demonstrates a level of hype surrounding the issue of climate change, breeding suspicion and giving fuel to the notion, this climate change stuff is all pure bullshit.

[Michael Hardner]

12 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Use of the term "Climate Emergency" at this early stage is disingenuous.

Sure, let's have rules and norms about exaggerating... but 'the other side' is always expected to go first.  

[OftenWrong]

3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Sure, let's have rules and norms about exaggerating... but 'the other side' is always expected to go first.  

Former finance minister Joe Oliver was on Global News TV last night, openly saying that Canada can benefit from climate change. Said it will be good for Canada, propel us to be world leaders in food production. He went on to say that the 12 year deadline thing being floated around the media as if it were a fact is a complete lie intended to scare people, that should not be repeated.

I watched it aghast as he continued on and on. Nobody cut the microphone. Expect this man to be vilified as a complete ungeheuer (monstrosity).

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This matters to me, as I recently had to tell my in-laws that the science says there will not be a noticeable impact from global warming for about 100 to 150 years. Not right now.

[Michael Hardner]

16 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

 I watched it aghast as he continued on and on. Nobody cut the microphone. Expect this man to be vilified as a complete ungeheuer (monstrosity).

Yeah - you replied but said nothing about my point.  I guess we can just call this discussion over then.

[scribblet]

16 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Former finance minister Joe Oliver was on Global News TV last night, openly saying that Canada can benefit from climate change. Said it will be good for Canada, propel us to be world leaders in food production. He went on to say that the 12 year deadline thing being floated around the media as if it were a fact is a complete lie intended to scare people, that should not be repeated.

I watched it aghast as he continued on and on. Nobody cut the microphone. Expect this man to be vilified as a complete ungeheuer (monstrosity).

Link

This matters to me, as I recently had to tell my in-laws that the science says there will not be a noticeable impact from global warming for about 100 to 150 years. Not right now.

There are some people who would like to see people who aren't hysterical over our impending doom be criminally charged, that's how loony they are becoming.

[OftenWrong]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Yeah - you replied but said nothing about my point.  I guess we can just call this discussion over then.

Wait, don't leave yet. You seem a bit agitated. Humour the first casualty of leftism. 

 

[OftenWrong]

38 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Sure, let's have rules and norms about exaggerating... but 'the other side' is always expected to go first.  

We can't easily have "rules" or it becomes the same thing as suppression. I think normal people should get tired of the hype and BS and reject it outright. But, there is no alternative to turn to that sounds rational, that doesn't make us stressed and afraid. People want a leader who brings them re-assurance and restores normalcy. Can you see where this point is going?

[Nefarious Banana]

48 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Sure, let's have rules and norms about exaggerating... but 'the other side' is always expected to go first.  

Careful now Michael . . . you're risking the 'Wrath of Chuckie' with your reply above.  Sarcasm, humour, and the 'give & take' comments between concerned Canadians is strictly forbidden.

Would have put a few emoji faces in this post, but that would imply that this post was in fact meant to be humorous . . . . and thus another suspension.

Happy Labour Day to my fellow Canadians . . . be safe, and have fun.

October 21st is fast approaching . . . be involved, please vote !

[Michael Hardner]

23 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Wait, don't leave yet. You seem a bit agitated. Humour the first casualty of leftism. 

I'm not agitated.  

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We can't easily have "rules" or it becomes the same thing as suppression. I think normal people should get tired of the hype and BS and reject it outright.

No 'normal person' seems dissatisfied with the bullshit on both sides.   

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But, there is no alternative to turn to that sounds rational, that doesn't make us stressed and afraid. People want a leader who brings them re-assurance and restores normalcy. Can you see where this point is going?

I dunno.  Totalitarianism ?  All that is required for this to get fixed is for people like you to call out FOX for bullshit memes and people like me to call out extreme Climate Change claims.

I recognize that extreme Climate Change claims happen regularly and that few people see them.  I also see denial out there, in at least equal numbers.  I see FOX screaming that there's no freedom of speech and that if you say something racist by accident the establishment will end your life.

Meanwhile I just heard a racist joke about bad Asian drivers... on the CBC.

[OftenWrong]

37 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

No 'normal person' seems dissatisfied with the bullshit on both sides.   

People DO see through lies eventually, even those who don't follow the news every day. That is why there is a backlash to leftist liberalism today, and it is rising at a grass roots level. The seed of the idea is already growing in people's minds - "Trudeau sucks" is their meme. As long as there is an outcry and the voice of dissent is allowed, the truth has a chance.

So would you deny us that right to speak the truth, Michael Hardener?

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I dunno.  Totalitarianism ?

Yatzee...

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All that is required for this to get fixed is for people like you to call out FOX for bullshit memes and people like me to call out extreme Climate Change claims.

I recognize that extreme Climate Change claims happen regularly and that few people see them.  I also see denial out there, in at least equal numbers.  I see FOX screaming that there's no freedom of speech and that if you say something racist by accident the establishment will end your life.

I do not use FOX because it gives leverage to people who are biased against them outright. On the other hand it is easy enough to find the same information elsewhere, thus you cannot hold this stupid argument over me. The link provided above was GlobalNews.ca

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I watched it aghast as he continued on and on. Nobody cut the microphone. Expect this man to be vilified as a complete ungeheuer (monstrosity).

Link

 

It seems you are not paying attention today Michael Hardener, and you are lashing out without understanding. You have made the same mistake twice today. You came in here full of bravado and bluster, but have now had your balls excised. Back to your safe space, fella.

Edited September 2, 2019 by OftenWrong