Doug Ford nixes Wynne's sex education program in Ontario schools.

[Michael Hardner]

5 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

1. One has to remember these people were sugfesting educators we're sick pedophiles for supporting the implementation of this curriculum.

2. They don't care about the people they hurt with their language and we certainly could never expect an apology from them now that they have been proven wrong.

1. OMG you are right, I forgot !  Ha ha ha ha ha ha.  Doug's government keeps on delighting me

2. It's all beside the point.  There's no pragmatism to any of this.  They have Jesus as their trump card if logic ever starts to make them uncomfortable...

Anyway, unfortunately for Ford he has to govern in reality and campaign speeches are a distant memory.  I wouldn't be surprised if he quit soon.

[OftenWrong]

On 8/29/2019 at 6:38 AM, Michael Hardner said:

Of course, pointing out that Ford's new program is basically identical to Wynne's gives the zealots an impossible dilemma:

Was Wynne right ?  Or is Ford now wrong ?

The third dilemma, which Betsy has chosen, is to deny reality.

Oh well... this is the 6% I was referring to above.

Although I do not like Doug Ford for several reasons, there is nothing to deny in this. Ford did what he said, more or less, to repeal the curriculum and re-introduce it after consultation with concerned parents.

https://globalnews.ca/news/5789997/ford-government-new-sex-ed/

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The Ford government is set to announce a new sex-ed curriculum on Wednesday after the controversial repeal of the previous curriculum last year, sources tell Global News.

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It will come as part of an overhaul of the wider physical education and health curriculum, which will include new mental health lessons for Grades 1 to 8, a government source said.

New and improved curriculum, sounds alright. Here's more-

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The 2015 curriculum was controversial in itself and led to protests from some parents who did not want some of the new content taught in schools. During the campaign, Doug Ford promised to repeal it and conduct public consultations before implementing a new curriculum.

I don't see any backsliding in this, to me it looks like normal democratic process.

 

[betsy]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. OMG you are right, I forgot !  Ha ha ha ha ha ha.  Doug's government keeps on delighting me

2. It's all beside the point.  There's no pragmatism to any of this.  They have Jesus as their trump card if logic ever starts to make them uncomfortable...

Anyway, unfortunately for Ford he has to govern in reality and campaign speeches are a distant memory.  I wouldn't be surprised if he quit soon.

 

Hahahaha...... Here comes the Jesus-card!  hahaha

He's booted Wynne out - that's all that matters! 

[dialamah]

16 hours ago, betsy said:

I'm not deluded enough to expect politicians to deliver everything they promise

That's only true if it's a politician you support; they can do no wrong in your eyes, whether its breaking campaign promises, grabbing women by the pussy, hiring family members to fill political posts, insulting allies or lying every other day. Politicians you don't support are attacked and criticized for every little misstep, real or imagined.

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

 I don't see any backsliding in this, to me it looks like normal democratic process.

Well you did the research and it seems so.  I have no strong opinion on this, as long as we see it as politics as usual.

In my defense, I did hear some inflammatory quote from Ford denigrating the previous program.  To bring it back in much the same form, while admirable on some levels, is a betrayal to the religious mouth-frothers who see Dougie as some kind of fat Etobicoke Jesus.

[betsy]

2 hours ago, dialamah said:

That's only true if it's a politician you support; they can do no wrong in your eyes, whether its breaking campaign promises, grabbing women by the pussy, hiring family members to fill political posts, insulting allies or lying every other day. Politicians you don't support are attacked and criticized for every little misstep, real or imagined.

As long as they don't campaign on the promise to be different from other politicians, especially when they compare themselves with someone specific - like the way Trudeau compared himself to Harper!  Openness and transparency - sunnyways bull s###!

 

Btw I'm curious, who grabbed women by the pussy? 

The difference between conservatives and Liberals - Liberals  dug up 2005 video of Scheer!  

Lol - does that ring a bell?   Shades of that decades-old Trump recording that was dug up too! 

 

 

[OftenWrong]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

In my defense, I did hear some inflammatory quote from Ford denigrating the previous program.  To bring it back in much the same form, while admirable on some levels, is a betrayal to the religious mouth-frothers who see Dougie as some kind of fat Etobicoke Jesus.

We know why they use these populist techniques, to get the headline, any news is good publicity, even and sometimes especially when it generates outrage. We may as well ignore it. Or better yet, call it out as bullshit, because we know, that is what it is. People used to be held accountable for issuing bullshit, but seems today we have softened our attitude. The politicos use populist statements, so that we get excited about unimportant issues, meanwhile the machinery churns on, money-makers for the e-lite, carry on. Politics...

 

Edited August 30, 2019 by OftenWrong

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

We may as well ignore it. Or better yet, call it out as bullshit, because we know, that is what it is.  

 

"We" do.  As I say, the true believers are drunk on Kool Aid... all the time.

[OftenWrong]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

As I say, the true believers are drunk on Kool Aid... all the time.

We are all true believers.

[Guest ProudConservative]

Ok, I'm just hearing about this for the first time. This issue needs to be taken to the Supreme court of Canada, because a convicted pedophilia, who produced child pornography, co-wrote that sex curriculum. This should be a cause for concern for liberals, and not just conservatives. If Ford hasn't completely thrown it out, than it could be taken up as a legal case, suggesting undue influence over the design of that curriculum. Nah lawyers could of argued, that sex Ed needs to modernized, I agree. Maybe they should be warning students about internet safety. But the curriculum needs to be created by consulting the public, and have checks and balances.

CBC and the left wing media outlets, refused to report on Benjamin Levin trial, or if they did, I never heard about it. I only heard about it on Rebel news, yet they're called "Unaccredited". Well if we don't have a mainstream conservative outlet in Canada, where else are we going to get out news?

So I don't know what is going on in the schools these day. We only know what the news reports. I do know my dad has a friend whos grandaughter became a man, just because she saw some posters in her high school.

Edited December 9, 2019 by ProudConservative

[Michael Hardner]

41 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

 This issue needs to be taken to the Supreme court of Canada, because a convicted pedophilia, who produced child pornography, co-wrote that sex curriculum.  

Disagree.  The curriculum is there for you to read and disagree with.... 

[dialamah]

4 hours ago, ProudConservative said:

I do know my dad has a friend whos grandaughter became a man, just because she saw some posters in her high school.

So, here is a news story about a Kenyan official claiming that lions were learning to be gay because ... gay tourists. 

This claim, that a girl decided to become a boy because she saw some posters at school, sounds about the same level of cluelessness about sexuality.

 

Edited December 10, 2019 by dialamah
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[Guest ProudConservative]

4 hours ago, dialamah said:

So, here is a news story about a Kenyan official claiming that lions were learning to be gay because ... gay tourists. 

This claim, that a girl decided to become a boy because she saw some posters at school, sounds about the same level of cluelessness about sexuality.

 

You're too old to know what's going on. You're not around the schools are ya.

[Rue]

13 hours ago, dialamah said:

So, here is a news story about a Kenyan official claiming that lions were learning to be gay because ... gay tourists. 

This claim, that a girl decided to become a boy because she saw some posters at school, sounds about the same level of cluelessness about sexuality.

 

..and you show precisely what the problem is. You discuss an adult's ignorance as to sexuality not a child's. The issue is not the ignorance of children but the ignorance of adults and in this debate we project onto children agendas trying to deal with adult thoughts we question assuming children have them as well. That's precisely the problem. Children do not think this way. at 4, 5, 6, 7, the target age of the curriculum in question. 

As for the above, should I accuse you of being racist? Why did you single out Kenyans? Is it because they are Africans? Why did you not single out a white government official? Think I am joking? I am not-the same people you think are part of your enlightened approach want Afro-centric schools that would criticize you exactly as I have done. In your zeal to be enlightened about gays you demonstrate any issue can be twisted to be something with an IST or ISM at the end of it.

[Rue]

8 hours ago, ProudConservative said:

You're too old to know what's going on. You're not around the schools are ya.

Hey I am 63 and my prostate is 80. Stop that. Also you do not want me hanging around schools. Dia by the way as much as I disagree with her I defend and respect to my death.  She is very supportive of young people and is far more open minded and creative than you or I. Trust me on that. I would be quite happy to have daughters like her. Nothing wrong with her approach to life. Her tolerance is up high in my books and I wish all children could learn that.

[dialamah]

36 minutes ago, Rue said:

1.  ..and you show precisely what the problem is. You discuss an adult's ignorance as to sexuality not a child's.

2.  The issue is not the ignorance of children but the ignorance of adults and in this debate we project onto children agendas trying to deal with adult thoughts we question assuming children have them as well. That's precisely the problem.

3.  Children do not think this way. at 4, 5, 6, 7, the target age of the curriculum in question. 

1.  That an adult could think a few posters are so powerful that they could persuade a high-schooler to change their gender is a problem equal to the problem of forcing gender on a young child.  

2.  What?

3.  They do, actually.  Children categorize gender between 18 and 24 months and as young as 3 will claim a gender for themselves.  I don't support parents or the medical establishment rushing such a young child into reassignment surgery, that should wait till adulthood, imo.  However, non-judgemental support and education are things I fully support, even at a young age.  Else we end up with teens who beat down other teens who are "different" and adults who think posters can change a fundamental aspect of a person's sexuality.  

Edited December 10, 2019 by dialamah

[taxme]

On 8/30/2019 at 6:47 AM, Michael Hardner said:

1. OMG you are right, I forgot !  Ha ha ha ha ha ha.  Doug's government keeps on delighting me

2. It's all beside the point.  There's no pragmatism to any of this.  They have Jesus as their trump card if logic ever starts to make them uncomfortable...

Anyway, unfortunately for Ford he has to govern in reality and campaign speeches are a distant memory.  I wouldn't be surprised if he quit soon.

Somehow, I get the terrible feeling that you are one of those people that has the Toronto Star delivered to your door every day. Am I right on this? Just asking. 

[taxme]

On 8/30/2019 at 8:10 AM, betsy said:

 

Hahahaha...... Here comes the Jesus-card!  hahaha

He's booted Wynne out - that's all that matters! 

I can be pretty certain that MH has the Toronto Star delivered to his front door every day. That commie rag despises anything that has to do with Christianity. The Star has no problem with the Islamic archaic tenth century religion though. They appear to want to be the protectors of Muslims in Canada today. One can always tell a alt-left liberal alright. They alwayslike to mock and attack the Christian religion while leaving other non-Christian religions alone. Two-faced buffoons. 

[Guest ProudConservative]

Taxme I find everything you say entertaining and all, but maybe tone it down from time to time. Calling another member on this forum a commie rag is an example of when conservatives shoot themselves in the foot.

I've meet a reporter from the Toronto star. I gave her a really good lead, and she never gave me an update on her story. Well I wanted to talk about all the cosumer scams going on in Toronto, because one company tried to hire me... to do some dirty work.

Now maybe there wasn't enoguh for the story... But she could of thanked me for having a serius debate about temporary workers being hired to run scams in Toronto. She these unemployeed people are being manipulated to do some illegal advertising and not paid.

I gave her a really good idea for a story, but they couldn't be bothered. They admited, they're manly interested in finding scandles about politicians.... The Toronto Star needs to diversify, and not just stir up peoples emotions, by talking about political corruption all the time.

People want something positive to read. They want to learn about travel, science, what's going on with world research. It's fun to trash politicians on the internet, but I think news papers have to hold themselves to a hire standard... Otherwize they're just tabloids.

When I think of good Journalism. I think of PBS in the states. They have a liberal-bias, but theres no mind control. CNN on the otherhand, is emotional manipulation.

Edited December 11, 2019 by ProudConservative

[Guest ProudConservative]

I think the whole transgender reasisment surgery... Should be outlawed banned. We never consider the rights of people who want to know the real gender of the person they're talking too. A male shouldn't by mistake pickup a transgender women, or a female a transgender man. It's a hudge invasion on their traditional moral values

A transgender person is going to make at least 75% of the people they meet in their lives uncomfortable, and that disconfort causes more harm, than the disconfort of gender disphoria. If thousands of people are going to be bothered by it, why should that individual be allowed to get a sex change.

If they want to dress as a female in their private room, and have transgender fantasy sex... that's none of the governments business... But people are uncomfortable with transgender bodies in society.

Why all of a sudden, are we so worried about gender dysforia... If it caused very little harm in the 90's? Why because it's being promoted... It's a manufacured phenomenon. People are becoming trans, because it's the cool thing to do... even if they suffer for it.

[Dougie93]

11 hours ago, ProudConservative said:

Taxme I find everything you say entertaining and all, but maybe tone it down from time to time. Calling another member on this forum a commie rag is an example of when conservatives shoot themselves in the foot.

Go ahead and try to appease your leftist cohorts, no doubt they'll award you another participation trophy for your collection.

Edited December 11, 2019 by Dougie93

[Michael Hardner]

That's unintentionally hilarious.  Someone feels uncomfortable or offended so they want someone else to have their rights restricted.

Cherry on the cake: when I pick someone up for a one night stand but find out later there is a penis under the boobs MY TRADITIONAL MORALITY SUFFERS A HUDGE INVASION.

[dialamah]

9 hours ago, ProudConservative said:

If it caused very little harm in the 90's?

People kill themselves because of gender dysphoria.  Just because hardly anybody talked about it in the 90s doesn't mean it didn't exist.  Are you really sure that young people killing themselves is a better outcome than making other people "uncomfortable"?

[Teena]

They are normalizing same sex relationship/trans. While I have nothing against being gay I feel it should not be advertised. I think of when I was back in school. Had I seen females kissing, males arm in arm, I think as a young person I probably would have experimented? How would those experiences changed my life? My daughter has a few school friends that are bi-sexual. They go where the going is good. Dating both male and female. Personally I don't think the new sex ed is good for the young generation. But it's on our TVs and Intranet. I see so many TV series with same sex getting it on. I guess as a parent you have to do a lot of talking at home. It is out of our control.

[dialamah]

9 minutes ago, Teena said:

But it's on our TVs and Intranet. I see so many TV series with same sex getting it on. I guess as a parent you have to do a lot of talking at home. It is out of our control.

Yes, making kids feel ashamed of their sexuality should be out of parent's control.  Normalizing normal human behavior through media us a good thing imo.  Instead of having kids grow up loathing themselves and hiding a huge part of themselves from family and friends, they can now look forward to acceptance within Western society, even if some people are still stuck in the dark ages.

9 minutes ago, Teena said:

I hink of when I was back in school. Had I seen females kissing, males arm in arm, I think as a young person I probably would have experimented?

Kids I knew experimented, even without media portraying same-sex relationships.  We didn't even know what homosexual meant: merely practicing with each other to be ready for boyfriends in a few years time.  Or, in the case of one girl, practicing what her daddy taught her.  

Edited December 11, 2019 by dialamah