Doug Ford nixes Wynne's sex education program in Ontario schools.

[taxme]

I heard the other day that Premier Doug Ford has decided to not nix the liberal/socialist Wynne's sex education programs that is being taught to our young children in Ontario schools today. Why? Why is he backing off of this? One of his promises was to get rid of all of this nonsense sex education stuff being taught to our young children in the Ontario public school system. One of the reasons why Ford got elected was that he was going to get rid of that perverted Wynne and her perverted sex programs and agendas for young children. What has happened to Ford that has made him change his mind on this?

Is there something going on behind closed doors that we the people are not privy too, and that maybe someone or some group has met with Ford and got Ford to change his mind? Personally, it would appear to me as though, like immigration and multiculturalism, sex education in school is now a must and a right for young children to know and learn about, and those three alone are now considered to be taboo and sacred cows that must never be challenged or questioned. Isn't sex education supposed to be left up to the parents as it always was in the past long before old man Trudeau liberalism came along and changed the whole story. Something is not right about this picture. Any guess here as to what or who may have changed Ford's mind on this? Over.  

 

Edited August 24, 2019 by taxme

[BubberMiley]

Why? Because they lied to you when they said it was wrong and perverted so that you would get all up in arms against the Wynne government. You were manipulated. Now that they have power, they will continue with it as planned because it was always reasonable and necessary.

Next time don't get fooled so easily.

[Dougie93]

I'd say Bubber is right, Ford talked a big game to all, including Social Conservatives, but now that he's in office he's basically cowering in the face of the Liberal media machine, he just doesn't have the spine to go to war with the left, which is what it would take to force any change at all.

The only limiting factor left is that Ontario will in essence go broke by handouts to special interests and then the bond markets will impose change from above.

Nobody is willing to have their ox gored now, nobody is willing to stand up to the hysterical screeching because they don't want to be shot as the messenger, so all the oxen wil be gored at once in the not too distant future,

I would bet that it will have to be the Liberals themselves who end up imposing austerity; only Nixon can go to China.

Edited August 25, 2019 by Dougie93

[Michael Hardner]

Another way to look at it is... 

When a politician is running, they need the 6% religious zealot and/or far right racist vote.  When they are trying to stay popular, the moderate vote actually matters more.  

And who are the zealots going to vote for anyway ?  The Liberals ?

 

[Dougie93]

Might work if Ford wasn't throwing all the other conservatives under the bus too because all conservatives are invoked as "far right racists" by the Liberals.

He has no friends on the left, trying to appeal to them is political suicide, if you're going to be a right wing populist, you have to go all the way, Liberals be damned.

Trump knows the score.

[Dougie93]

My preferred model for that is not Trump but rather Margaret Thatcher, you don't have to be a vulgarian, you don't have to be volatile.

You just have to be an Iron Lady who is not for turning, but can also beat the left head to head in a debate.

Maggie Thatcher was undefeated against Labour, she mopped the floor with them.

She was so invincible that it had to be Maggie Thatcher who took Maggie Thatcher down,  when she went against her own doctrine with the Poll Tax.

Edited August 26, 2019 by Dougie93

[taxme]

18 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Another way to look at it is... 

When a politician is running, they need the 6% religious zealot and/or far right racist vote.  When they are trying to stay popular, the moderate vote actually matters more.  

And who are the zealots going to vote for anyway ?  The Liberals ?

 

I guess that this is what all conservatives will have to just get use to and learn to accept from the fascist lieberal establishment elite and the fascist liberal Pravda bought off Canadian media that they are all just a bunch of "far right racists". "Another way to look at it is" that If one is a conservative than they are all evil racists. If they are lieberal, well they are just a bunch of SJW's out to get those terrible evil conservative racists. A vote for fascist liberals is a vote for fascism. A vote for conservatism is a vote for freedom. Go, Bernier, go. 

[taxme]

On 8/25/2019 at 11:05 AM, BubberMiley said:

Why? Because they lied to you when they said it was wrong and perverted so that you would get all up in arms against the Wynne government. You were manipulated. Now that they have power, they will continue with it as planned because it was always reasonable and necessary.

Next time don't get fooled so easily.

I never got fooled at all because I am not an Ontario voter. The conservative voters appear now to have been betrayed by Ford. Now Ford is not only the enemy of the left but now he has made new enemies on the right. Ford thinks that by kissing the butts of the fascist liberal establishment that they will leave him alone. On the contrary. No conservative is safe from the fascist liberals or their lapdogs in the fascist media in Canada. It seems that most conservative party's would prefer to take flight rather than stay and fight. The traitors are everywhere in politics in Canada. The losers are the fools who vote for lieberals like comrade Trudeau and who vote for progressive liberal conservatives like Scheer.

Teaching children all about sexual perversions at such a young early age in schools is deplorable. I guess the next step will be for some teacher to have a young ten year old boy and girl in the class, and have them come up to the front of the class, and have them take off all their clothes, and then the teacher can show the rest of the ten year old kids in class to watch and see as to how to make a baby. Hey, you never know anymore here in Canada as to what the comrade teachers in schools will do next. This is Canada, don't you know. Anything goes now. 

[Dougie93]

21 minutes ago, taxme said:

I never got fooled at all because I am not an Ontario voter.

Nobody ever votes anybody in, they only vote the bums out, Kathleen Wynnederp simply ran out of wriggle room.

Mind you, I'd rather have Dougie Ford than the commie kooks who are running BC.

[taxme]

Believe me when I say that BC does have quite a few commie kooks around, and sadly, they are getting their way. BC is one big socialist province now. There is no doubt about it. 

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Nobody ever votes anybody in, they only vote the bums out, Kathleen Wynnederp simply ran out of wriggle room.

Mind you, I'd rather have Dougie Ford than the commie kooks who are running BC.

 

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, taxme said:

Believe me when I say that BC does have quite a few commie kooks around, and sadly, they are getting their way. BC is one big socialist province now. There is no doubt about it. 

The fault of Dougie Ford is that he's not doing anything. 

But at least he's stopped digging the hole any deeper at this point, unlike the commie kooks in BC

[taxme]

23 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

The fault of Dougie Ford is that he's not doing anything. 

But at least he's stopped digging the hole any deeper at this point, unlike the commie kooks in BC

The NDP communists just revived the old Human Rights(communist)Commission that was abolished by the liberal government years ago. Now, how is that going to work for freedom loving people in BC? Ontario looks like a lot better place today to live in than BC does. Ontario got rid of their commies. BC got their commies back. I wonder if Ford will get rid of the Ontario Human Rights Commission? It would be a smart move on his part to do so now. Although if Ford has already backed out of stopping sex education in schools, I don't know? 

[Dougie93]

9 minutes ago, taxme said:

The NDP communists just revived the old Human Rights(communist)Commission that was abolished by the liberal government years ago. Now, how is that going to work for freedom loving people in BC? Ontario looks like a lot better place today to live in than BC does. Ontario got rid of their commies. BC got their commies back. I wonder if Ford will get rid of the Ontario Human Rights Commission? It would be a smart move on his part to do so now. Although if Ford has already backed out of stopping sex education in schools, I don't know? 

There's no escape anywhere in Canada from the Eastern Elites, they rule over all as their colonies from their Ivory Towers in Toronto.

Confederation itself is simply a failed zombie legacy project of the elites by the elites for the elites.

No matter who you vote for, you can't vote their Elite Consensus out.  It's an asymmetrical dictatorship.

The politicians are not the government, the government is the bureaucracy.

That bureaucracy itself is a narrow entrenched interest of the elites,  which can and will protect itself by any means necessary, against any MP's who try to waylay it.

Including the RCMP senior brass who can take people down for the elites if need be, like Vice Admiral Norman for example, even the Public Prosecution Service is at the disposal of the elites, Jody Raybould Wilson outed that criminality, and even then the criminal elites will not be arrested by their own RCMP praetorian guard.

So the Government of Canada is in fact lawless, totalitarian, and completely out of control at this point, the Liberals are inciting chaos in their attempts to prevent their de facto one party rule from being brought down,

Edited August 27, 2019 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

Now in case of Doug Ford, in addition to him simply being craven and overly concerned about what shrieking and booing leftists have to say about him, he also made a catastrophic strategic mistake right out of the gate.

Being the spineless worm that he apparently is, instead of just going big right out of the gate, do it all at once, one omnibus bill after the next, he instead tried to run his platform out one thing at a time, drip, drip, drip.

So with each drip another pack of shrieking entrenched interests come out of the woodwork, so it's just slogging through each defensive position, linear, one after the next, so he was ground to a halt.

The way to do it is a coup de main, all at once, one fell swoop, then just let all the entrenched interests shriek at once, so it becomes a cacophony and people tune it out.

Four years later when the books are in order and the situation has stabilized, you can run on your record.  But you never get if you roll it out drip, drip, drip, because friction causes your own MP's to chicken out and abandon you.

Edited August 27, 2019 by Dougie93

[betsy]

On 8/24/2019 at 3:13 PM, taxme said:

I heard the other day that Premier Doug Ford has decided to not nix the liberal/socialist Wynne's sex education programs that is being taught to our young children in Ontario schools today. Why? Why is he backing off of this? One of his promises was to get rid of all of this nonsense sex education stuff being taught to our young children in the Ontario public school system. One of the reasons why Ford got elected was that he was going to get rid of that perverted Wynne and her perverted sex programs and agendas for young children. What has happened to Ford that has made him change his mind on this?

Is there something going on behind closed doors that we the people are not privy too, and that maybe someone or some group has met with Ford and got Ford to change his mind? Personally, it would appear to me as though, like immigration and multiculturalism, sex education in school is now a must and a right for young children to know and learn about, and those three alone are now considered to be taboo and sacred cows that must never be challenged or questioned. Isn't sex education supposed to be left up to the parents as it always was in the past long before old man Trudeau liberalism came along and changed the whole story. Something is not right about this picture. Any guess here as to what or who may have changed Ford's mind on this? Over.  

 

 

He did change an important part of it:   parents can now pull out their children.

 

Edited August 29, 2019 by betsy

[Michael Hardner]

Why is the rigiht-wing so horribly informed ?

[Wynne's Program] Ontario will allow parents opposed to sex-ed curriculum to pull kids from class

 

https://globalnews.ca/news/2208213/ontario-will-allow-parents-opposed-to-sex-ed-curriculum-to-pull-kids-from-class/

[Michael Hardner]

Of course, pointing out that Ford's new program is basically identical to Wynne's gives the zealots an impossible dilemma:

Was Wynne right ?  Or is Ford now wrong ?

The third dilemma, which Betsy has chosen, is to deny reality.

Oh well... this is the 6% I was referring to above.

[Boges]

The problem with Canadian Conservatives these days is they HAVE to pander to this Social Conservative faction of their party to win leadership of the party, even though they can't govern that way. 

I'm convinced Patrick Brown was MeToo'd because he refused to change the Sex Ed Curriculum. 

[Dougie93]

The Cons are just the Liberals with a Social Conservative faction which is not actually conservative,  it's simply the nanny prohibitionist wing of the Liberal one party state.

[taxme]

6 hours ago, Boges said:

The problem with Canadian Conservatives these days is they HAVE to pander to this Social Conservative faction of their party to win leadership of the party, even though they can't govern that way. 

I'm convinced Patrick Brown was MeToo'd because he refused to change the Sex Ed Curriculum. 

If you think that Scheer is a real conservative, then you are really are out of step. Scheer is a liberal in conservative clothing. Scheer never attacks any liberal globalist communist programs and agendas that have made Canada not so great anymore. A real and true conservative would be exposing all the lies and bs that the leftists liberals have been throwing around and been allowed to get away with in this country for years now without question.

The only real and true conservative party in Canada is Maxine Bernier's the PPC. A vote for any other but the PPC is a vote for more of comrade Trudeau's globalist, communist agenda for destroying this once great British/European nation that they did discover, built up and created and made it a once great nation. Canada has become a huge leftist liberal joke and there are some here who appear to think that this is oh so great. Let them win in the next election and we can all kiss the old Canada goodbye. As old man comrade Trudeau once said when he won the election back in 1980 was "welcome to the new Canada". And we see today what he meant when he said "welcome to the new Canada". The old man destroyed Canada. My opinion. 

[betsy]

10 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Why is the rigiht-wing so horribly informed ?

[Wynne's Program] Ontario will allow parents opposed to sex-ed curriculum to pull kids from class

 

https://globalnews.ca/news/2208213/ontario-will-allow-parents-opposed-to-sex-ed-curriculum-to-pull-kids-from-class/

 

Your source says:

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Liz Sandals says each board has its own policies about withdrawing kids from certain classes,

 

I have not been following but I suppose, all boards will now respect and adhere to this new policy.

 

 

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The third dilemma, which Betsy has chosen, is to deny reality.

Oh well... this is the 6% I was referring to above.

 

 

No, I'm not denying reality - just that you and I seem to have two differing "realities!"  

Your source indicate:  "Each board has its own policy.....," what exactly does that mean?

Edited August 29, 2019 by betsy

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, betsy said:

 No, I'm not denying reality - just that you and I seem to have two differing "realities!"  

Oh my... you are reduced to wordsmithing to try and prove you weren't wrong.  The fact is in the headlines.  Sorry for your luck with Ford.

[betsy]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Oh my... you are reduced to wordsmithing to try and prove you weren't wrong.

You may call it "wordsmithing".......but in my book, that's called, "careful reading and analyzing what is actually being said."

 

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The fact is in the headlines. 

But that's the problem.   The headline does not add up with Sandal's comment.

Like I've said, your source indicate: 

 

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TORONTO – Ontario’s education minister says those parents who are still opposed to the province’s new sex-ed curriculum being taught in public schools this year can pull their kids from class.

Liz Sandals says each board has its own policies about withdrawing kids from certain classes, but she hopes parents first talk to teachers and principals about the curriculum because a lot of “misinformation” is still being circulated.

 

https://globalnews.ca/news/2208213/ontario-will-allow-parents-opposed-to-sex-ed-curriculum-to-pull-kids-from-class/

 

If parents are allowed to withdraw their kids - what the heck does each board's policy got to do with it?  

If Ontario says parents are allowed to withdraw their kids -  all Ontario boards should follow and have the same policy regarding withdrawal of kids!

Read your whole article! 

 On one hand, it says Ontario allows parents to withdraw their kids, and yet on the other Sandals say each board has its own policy!

That looks like double talk to me......unless of course, you can explain it.   What exactly does that mean? 

 

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  Sorry for your luck with Ford.

 

That must be the difference between Wynne's and Ford's regarding withdrawal of children.  Wynne's wishy-washy, while Ford's is all-sweeping!

I'm not deluded enough to expect politicians to deliver everything they promise....especially when a red hot-button like LGBTQ is involved.  Lol, just seeing all the groups that went against him - it's understandable. 

 

 

Edited August 30, 2019 by betsy

[betsy]

11 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Oh my... you are reduced to wordsmithing to try and prove you weren't wrong.  The fact is in the headlines.  Sorry for your luck with Ford.

 

OH, the sweet irony! 

No wonder fake news flourish!  People just rely on headlines! 

.........and, when they do read - looks like they just go through the motion of it!

Edited August 30, 2019 by betsy

[BubberMiley]

One has to remember these people were sugfesting educators we're sick pedophiles for supporting the implementation of this curriculum. They don't care about the people they hurt with their language and we certainly could never expect an apology from them now that they have been proven wrong.