Liberals exempt Chinese steel from tariffs, ship jobs to China

[Dougie93]

Canada's culture is corrupt top to bottom too, the Government of Canada is utterly corrupt, blatantly corrupt, in your face corrupt, bringing false charges against its own senior military officers and obstructing the justice of the Attorney General, all in the name of propping up the entrenched narrowly vested interests which run the fake jobs economy Company Town.

This is what makes Canada so ripe for the takeover by Beijing, Beijing's cultural of corruption need only piggy back itself on its counterpart in Ottawa.

They don't have to corrupt Canada, Canadians are corrupt, Canadians stand idly by while corruption runs things all around them, they are actually apologists for it.

Confederation itself is corruption, the dictatorship of Ontario bribing Quebec with Alberta's money corrupts everything in Canada, its tentacles are everywhere, the Chinese are simply wrapping their tentacles around the corrupt power structure already in situ.

Edited August 23, 2019 by Dougie93

[eyeball]

16 hours ago, J4L said:

This has to be one of the most factually inaccurate posts I have come across.

Show me the progressive side of Stalin. 

[Dougie93]

9 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Show me the progressive side of Stalin. 

It was all in the name of progress, socialism is not an end state, socialism is the path to a post scarcity utopian workers paradise, only when that is achieved is Communism actually at hand.

Stalin followed all the prescriptions of the Marxists, and brooked no dissent, Stalin is the ultimate progressive, the only one with the will and power to impose the socialist utopia to come in the face of the Imperialists at the gates.

Democratic Socialism is not socialism, because the imperialists can and will crush that with ease, only Stalin can stand against the imperialists, the Anglo-Americans and all their thermonuclear bombs.

Jack Layton puts no fear in the hearts of the Imperialists, only Xi Jinping has the power and resolve to do that.

Edited August 23, 2019 by Dougie93

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

It was all in the name of progress,

Nope, it was all in the name of Stalin and his right wing's power.

Edited August 23, 2019 by eyeball

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Nope, it was all in the name of Stalin and his right wing's power.

This is why I despise Democratic Socialists while having due respect for the Communists, at least the Communists have the courage of their convictions, and that I can always respect.

Hasta Siempre, Commandante, the Democratic Socialists are traitors to their own revolution.

[eyeball]

Just now, Dougie93 said:

This is why I despise Democratic Socialists

You're a grunt - a suckhole to authority - any strongman will do because servility is what you do and what you do is what you are.

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

You're a grunt - a suckhole to authority - any strongman will do because servility is what you do and what you do is what you are.

Quite the opposite, because I am a soldier who has prepared myself to kill and die as necessary, I am one of the few left who defends and upholds the living embodiment of the constitution.

Any orders issued to me that are unlawful, I can and will decline them, and have so once, officer ordered me to do something unlawful, I refused by invoking the authority of the Queen.

My Commanding Officer came down to see what the problem was, he being loyal to his oath as well, backed me up and countermanded the original order.

QEII is the CINC, Liz Windsor is the boss, she orders me to obey national and international law and the laws of armed conflict, no officer in the chain of command can override the CiNC, and in extremis, if they tried to back me into a corner, I would arrest that officer at gun point if I had to.

British Westminster Parliamentary Supremacy and  Constitutional Monarchy,  since 1688, nobody can override that ultimate authority, even Her Majesty is bound to obey, the power of the Queen checks the rule of a mob, the rule of law checks the power of the Queen, and thus the soldiers of the Crown remain loyal, yet free, by those means.

Edited August 23, 2019 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

To give you an example of how things go if unlawful orders are obeyed, one need only look to Clayton Matchee and Shidane Arone in Somalia.

Clayton Matchee didn't cook that up on his own.

Somalis were breaking into the camp to steal things.   They were just stealing Sony Walkman's and stuff like that, they were just kids.

None the less the chain of command thought maybe they might steal something like ammo or what have you.

They didn't want to just start shooting them, because it was ostensibly an humanitarian operation and not all out war.

So they split the baby.   Orders came down to "rough the Somalis up"  Give them a right good beating to send a message to knock it off.

That was an unlawful order.   That order should have been declined.  Roughing prisoners up is prohibited under national and international law and the laws of armed conflict.

Because of course, you might go too far when you go into that grey area,

Which is exactly what Matchee did, because he was obeying the unlawful order which he should have declined.

Kyle Brown didn't stop him, what Kyle Brown should have done is arrest his superior Master Corporal Matchee when Matchee started to obey the unlawful order.

No matter whose feathers might be ruffled by it, unlawful order is where the rubber meets the road; enter the Commander-in-Chief.

To be fair to Brownie, he paid a high price for that, Edmonton Detention Barracks  for two years, followed by the Edmonton Maximum Security Penitentiary for the rest of the five year sentence.

So he served his time, but I am not prepared to serve any time for an unlawful order, so if it had been me in that bunker instead of Brownie, I would have put a stop to it, I assure you.

Same thing applies to the Prime Minister.

Whether it is breaking the law for SNC-Lavalin or selling Canadians down the river to China, that is in violation of his solemn oath to the Queen. 

He doesn't swear an oath to Julie Payette whom he himself hires and fires, the Viceroy is the ceremonial position

The Queen is still the sovereign for constitutional crises, which is what any unlawful order is, at whatever level it is issued.

The RCMP could arrest the PM for obstruction of justice right now if they decided to. 

On whose authority?  Queen Elizabeth II of course.

As that is who the Mounties swear to bear true and faithful allegiance to, legally binding in court, same as Trudeau, same as me.

This is what Jody Raybould Wilson did, the PMO issued her an unlawful order, she declined it, by invoking her oath to the Queen.

That's because she is a serious woman and top notch lawyer, so she knows what the constitution actually says.

I know what it says too, I take my oath deadly serious too,  because I was an elite soldier of the Crown, fully aware of my constitutional duties and obligations therein.

 

Edited August 24, 2019 by Dougie93

[Zeitgeist]

There’s so much that’s wrong in these posts.   Let’s start with Stalin, who killed upwards of 70 million people.  He was a paranoid and jealous tyrant whose corpse people were afraid to touch after he died for fear of reprisal.  He shipped off returning officers from WW2, a war that took its greatest toll on Russia, to gulags, accusing them of being spies.  If you were bad at your job, you were sent to the gulag.  If you were good at your job, you were sent to the gulag.  He accused wives and family members of his inner circle of disloyalty or counterrevolutionary ways, having them sentenced and killed or shipped to gulags.  That’s how he tested loyalty, though ultimately everyone failed.  He industrialized north Russia through five year programs of slave labour.  He had Trotsky, the probable successor to Lenin, murdered in Mexico.  Stalin had nothing to do with Communism.  He oppressed all factions of the one party dictatorship, recruited spies in every community, and ruled through fear and brutality.  Read the Red Circle.  Watch Burnt by the Sun.   

Socialism comes in many forms and isn’t identical with Communism, which has never existed.  Marx’s idea of a workers’ paradise is supposed to come about after the workers take over the means of production, which has never happened.  A branch of the elite have run every so called Communist revolution.  Workers had little to do with it.  If they ran the companies they wouldn’t be proletariats.  Oligarchs own the means of production in Russia today.  

Every modern democratic developed country has some form of socialism, which is nothing more than a managed economy.  The US brought in major socialist initiatives under Roosevelt’s New Deal.  Social security is one of those initiatives.  No reasonably intelligent person would deny that some government intervention in the economy is essential.  We saw an extreme form of it in 2008 after the collapse, as the Fed essentially brokered the mass purchase of investments by consolidating them under JP Morgan and Chase, then essentially bought the debt.  Quantitative easing continued for many years.  If we let market forces play out, we would have had the Great Depression 2.0.  

The question isn’t whether governments manage their economies, but how and to what degree.  Success of public policy is measured in outcomes, such as infant mortality and murder rates, earnings after taxes and the purchasing power of that income, health care quality versus cost, air and water quality.  We need to look at standard of living, quality of life, level of opportunity for education and employment, and much more.  This is complex because all of these inputs impact each other and there are cultural and demographic forces at play.  

Canada has consistently scored high on the UN’s Human Development Index.  The Scandinavian countries have always done well.  The US tends to climb and decline because the society tends to be more at the mercy of economic cycles.  It has many ultra rich people, but more inequality than many Western European countries.  Anyway, there is much to this topic.  

Trying to call successfully run democracies like Canada fake or totalitarian is grossly inaccurate and insulting to the millions of people who have fled tyranny, worked hard to build our society, and fought hard to defend our freedom.  

Edited August 24, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

Totalitarian is not some sort of bogeyman hiding under the bed.

Totalitarian is the phenomena of people internalizing the interests of the state as being indistinguishable from the own interests,.

So for instance Zeitgeist reflexively running to the internet every few minutes to be an apologist for Canada.

Because anyone rightly pointing out that Canada has turned into a banana republic is in his mind committing thought crime.

[Dougie93]

22 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

 insulting to the millions of people who have fled tyranny, worked hard to build our society, and fought hard to defend our freedom.  

Except I am the man who stood at the sharp end in the Cold War to free those people and you are not.

Moreover those people are my neighbors, ex-Soviet Russians, and they agree with me, that Canada is becoming increasingly like Russia, they see it too.

[Dougie93]

This is how the Soviet Union became totalitarian, the Zeitgeist types took over and everything became about "building the society" at the exclusion of all else,  and anyone who noticed that things were going off the rails into tyranny and pointed it out,  those people were called "traitors", just like Zeitgeist has called me a traitor several times, basically to Zeitgeist I'm one of the "Kulaks" fit for GULAG

[Dougie93]

President Trump invokes the 1977 Emergency Economic Powers Act in the face of China, wow, not that he necessarily would follow through, but that is invoking a big stick indeed.

The Leaders of the Free World standing in the face of Beijing while banana republic Canada actively sells its own people down the river to them.

[Zeitgeist]

25 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

This is how the Soviet Union became totalitarian, the Zeitgeist types took over and everything became about "building the society" at the exclusion of all else,  and anyone who noticed that things were going off the rails into tyranny and pointed it out,  those people were called "traitors", just like Zeitgeist has called me a traitor several times, basically to Zeitgeist I'm one of the "Kulaks" fit for GULAG

You put yourself in a gulag.  You’re constantly commenting on here.  I wasn’t on here since yesterday.  You keep repeating the same nonsense about how little regard you have for the country that employed you and your misplaced worship of the Queen.  Yeah it’s treacherous.  Call a spade a spade.  Believe it or not, there are goofs in the military as in any walk of life.  Ask your Russian neighbor about wild town folk in the Russian army. There are no gulags in Canada.  

What’s more, Alberta is not the main economic engine of Canada.  Ontario is.  Alberta does well when oil prices are high and goes bust when they’re low.  To say that Ontario runs Canada by paying off Quebec with Alberta money is untrue.  Ontario has almost always transferred more wealth than any other province through the federal transfers.  

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You put yourself in a gulag.  You’re constantly commenting on here.  I wasn’t on here since yesterday.  You keep repeating the same nonsense about how little regard you have for the country that employed you and your misplaced worship of the Queen.  Yeah it’s treacherous.  Call a spade a spade.

Treason is the crime of violating an oath undertaken freely of my own will.

This is the oath of allegiance to Canada right here;

I, [name], do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada, Her Heirs and Successors. So help me God.

As that is the oath which I undertook, it is seditious libel to accuse me of treason and that is both testable and easily proven in court.

 

[Zeitgeist]

7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Treason is the crime of violating an oath undertaken freely of my own will.

This is the oath of allegiance to Canada right here;

I, [name], do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada, Her Heirs and Successors. So help me God.

As that is the oath which I undertook, it is seditious libel to accuse me of treason and that is both testable and easily proven in court.

 

Knock yourself out.  The Queen’s significance in the oath is in her capacity as Queen of Canada, a title which the people could revoke.  They have not because Her Majesty has been a proud and noble monarch.  She wears it well and understands the complexity of our history.  She speaks perfect French and always visits soldiers and First Nations on state visits.  

Edited August 24, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Knock yourself out.  The Queen’s significance in the oath is in her capacity as Queen of Canada, a title which the people could revoke.  They have not because Her Majesty has been a proud and noble monarch.  She wears it well and understands the complexity of our history.  She speaks perfect French and always visits soldiers and First Nations on state visits.  

It merely supports my argument that you are totalitarian, because what you are actually accusing me of; is thought crime.

Edited August 24, 2019 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

Furthermore, Canada no longer demands allegiance to be a citizen of Canada, by rendered judgement of the Supreme Court of Canada, no one is required to take the loyalty oath to Canada anymore to acquire their citizenship, all part of the Americanzied Liberal Party of Canada Post National State which the Prime Minister himself asserts.

I simply happen to be an Old Stock Canadian Loyalist of yore who holds to my oath and does not swear nor is bound to any particular fealty to the Government of Canada per se

You'll not that it is almost impossible to convict an American of treason, thus why even in the case of spies they don't charge with treason, unless said spy was serving in the United States military wherein the charge of treason is under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

America was born of treason, treason is a charge leveled by monarchs, but as I am fiercely loyal to my monarch, no traitor am I, quite the opposite.

Edited August 24, 2019 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

Now how does this all relate to the topic of the Government of Canada selling its own people down the river to the Communist Chinese?

That is where your fealty to the Crown over the Government is your protector, because as the Government of Canada becomes increasingly treacherous to their own oaths to the Queen by rendering the state under control of a blatantly hostile and monstrous foreign power, you are not bound to follow them nor defend nor uphold them as they progress down this reckless path.

Canada has become a rogue state, it is dragging Canadians into a no man's land beyond the protection of the United Kingdom - United States Security Agreement which Canada is signatory to, to render Canadians encircled by a monstrous hostile foreign power in Beijing, and just as Washington is resisting this, so are Canadian fully within their rights to resist as well.

UKUSSA, the Anglosphere, come to our aid in the darkest hour, rally, rally, rally around the Leaders of the Free World in the face of a Communist takeover from within.

This is not about trade, this is not about jobs, this is not about economics anymore, this is a war, and the Chinese Communists are on the offensive and already at the gates, and beyond.

Thus why the decisions of the Government of Canada vis a vis the Chinese and the Canadian economy make no sense, yes, they are selling you down the river, no, that is not in your interests, but that's because the political class and associated entrenched interest are operating against your interest, because they have fallen under the undue influence of Beijing, which has essentially bribed them into being Communist stooges.

When you come to think that Canada's interests are your interests, even when Canada is blatantly operating against your interests, that is the threshold of succumbing to totalitarianism.  I for one cannot follow Canadian totalitarians down this road, and I encourage any who refuse to sell their freedom cheaply to join me in resisting this overthrow.

God save the Queen.  God bless America.  God protect you from this monstrous dictatorship in Beijing.

Edited August 24, 2019 by Dougie93

[Zeitgeist]

36 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

It merely supports my argument that you are totalitarian, because what you are actually accusing me of; is thought crime.

Don’t worry, no charges will be laid.  Soros has called off the CBC stormtroopers.  Commandant David Suzuki says it’s only a matter of time before climate change takes care of us all.  Meanwhile President Xi has dispatched Chief Emissary Justin Trudeau to remind us that it isn’t mankind under threat, it’s peoplekind.  

[Dougie93]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

Don’t worry, no charges will be laid.

Not worried, if you actually publicly accuse me of treason without the veil of anonymity, I will have my lawyers deal with it at that juncture.

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

Not worried, if you actually publicly accuse me of treason without the veil of anonymity, I will have my lawyers deal with it at that juncture.

You need a new hobby.  I probably do too.  Enjoy what’s left of summer.  

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You need a new hobby.  I probably do too.  Enjoy what’s left of summer.  

I defend and uphold the 1st amendment of the United States of America, to include your anonymity, the material damage to "Dougie93" is not significant, but again, were you to take your accusations to a public forum, I would sue you into the poorhouse, and you cannot declare bankruptcy from a personal injury judgement, thus I feel suitably protected by the courts, in fact the libel laws in Canada are very strict.

[Zeitgeist]

10 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I defend and uphold the 1st amendment of the United States of America, to include your anonymity, the material damage to "Dougie93" is not significant, but again, were you to take your accusations to a public forum, I would sue you into the poorhouse, and you cannot declare bankruptcy from a personal injury judgement, thus I feel suitably protected by the courts, in fact the libel laws in Canada are very strict.

The words you used to denounce the very existence of Canada speak for themselves and should never be used by a Canadian soldier.  If you can’t figure that out I can’t help you.  Your freedom of speech is clearly demonstrated.  

[Dougie93]

8 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

The words you used to denounce the very existence of Canada speak for themselves and should never be used by a Canadian soldier.  If you can’t figure that out I can’t help you.  Your freedom of speech is clearly demonstrated.  

My right to speak against Confederation is constitutionally protected speech, affirmed by rendered judgement of the Supreme Court of Canada.

It is no crime to be a Pequiste in Canada, in fact there are two official parties in Canada which exist solely for the purpose of bringing Confederation down, and in fact Her Majesty defends that right. 

Thus, to accuse me of treason therein, is inherently totalitarian and ultimately seditious libel in the end.

Edited August 24, 2019 by Dougie93