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15 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

None of that is the fault of the Canadian taxpayer, there is no public rule in Canada, thus, whether it is Gun Control or National Defence, the corruption, incompetence and dysfunction is all the same and all emanating from the same source.

Hence why I said I bear no grudge nor ill will,  nor ask any to be borne on my behalf, towards the Canadian taxpayer,  the Canadian taxpayer has been good to me, I have no complaints about the poor set upon Canadian taxpayer who is at the mercy of the Eastern Elites who run the Confederation as de facto taxation without representation.

Never the less, in a free country, one is not bound to any loyalty to the government.  As Canada is a constitutional monarchy, one is only bound to be loyal to the monarch.

The Queen is above the fray, the Queen is not partisan, and as such,  I can remain fiercely loyal to the Commander-in-Chief without answering to the Canadian government,  nor the Canadian public, because Canada is not a republic, and it's most certainly not a people's republic.

In terms of the state of the army, seems like the resources are being diverted to CANSOFCOM, so the Regular Force is downgraded while CANSOFCOM becomes the all purpose expeditionary force.

In terms of the standards, I can't say what they are at this juncture, however; there are no bad soldiers, only bad leaders, and those leaders are not the Canadian taxpayers, as again, whether it be Gun Control or National Defence, all of that is at the mercy of the philosopher kings of the Liberal Party of Canada and associated fake opposition one party state elite consensus.

 

I disagree totally, Todays military does not have a lobby group that can make changes on the political front, or for that matter any front...same thing goes for VAC ….It does not have a name like SNC, that can make prime ministers bend to their will. Our military has an unwritten rule that the TAX payer will always be that voice, as we are one and the same. This is where we get our soldiers from....our sons and daughters, make up their rank and file...  The tax payers should have a vested interest on every thing military....or one would think....It is the tax payer alone that hold s the power of change, by using the masses to get or demand things done...

Just look at that convicted female murder transfer to a healing lodge, once news got out on the street, how long did it take to have her transferred back, I mean the convict did not break any rules by being in a healing lodge, it did not portray a good public image to have her there....it was the public that  demanded changes be made, for the only reason they did not like it...  ...Why is that ?  because politicians normally follow what is popular with the people and give them what they want....Same thing with VAC and how it treats its vets, things will only change when the people band together and voice their opinion and demand changes... DO we really think that any politician would do it on their own, their is no trade off, no votes in it for them...

So while I don't entirely blame the tax payers … they do hold a large chunk of the blame...they are the ones that have the power to change everything, and from my stand point don't really care or it is not worth their time ...How we treat our vets, how we fund our military, if they don't do it no one will...

Justin did make a few changes for the good , he had those closed VAC offices reopened, he did replace Harpers horrible benefits package, with some thing a lot better, but does not come close to the original benefit package harper destroyed , because it saved Bils from being payed out... 

It was not until we started receiving combat causalities in Afghanistan that this was even brought to life, shit what are we going to do with all these causalities, the dollar amount is starting to rise quickly....change the benefit, poof problem gone.. make it a one time payment that is limited...…

So what it takes now is for soldiers to band together hire a lawyer and take the government to court, just to get a similar payout that is offered by workmen's comp....the only people making any money is the lawyers....

 

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Again, I suffered no privations in the Canadian Forces other than that which was an operational imperative, or by defaulters under the QR&O's, Section 129, which I frankly brought upon myself for brawling, and that time on defaulters is long ago time served, and I did that time standing on my head.

Thus I have no grudge nor ill will towards the state on my behalf with regards to my service in the military, I actually found it to be a meritocracy, more than fair, and moreover by my standards growing up, we were pampered in the army, it was honestly a whole lotta fun, I have no bad feelings about serving in the Canadian Forces at all.

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10 hours ago, Army Guy said:

So while I don't entirely blame the tax payers … they do hold a large chunk of the blame...they are the ones that have the power to change everything

I see no point in that.

These people are what is called the Bourgeoisie.  The people who are not prepared to kill nor die for their principles.

This is why they are panicked by the guns. They are so bourgeois, they fear even their own guns.

They instead choose to live within the protection of the walls of the Borough, the town, that town in this case; is the House of Windsor.

The moment I signed the contract of unlimited liability and swore the oath to bear true and faithful allegiance to the Queen and to resist Her Majesty's enemies and defend the Queen's Peace, I ceased to be one of the Bourgeoisie.

I take personal responsibility for the body politic, even to take lives, or if necessary lay my life down, between the people who enjoy the protection of the Queen, and any threat on this earth.  Not for the people, most of them I don't even like, I'm doing it for the Queen, that is who is protecting them, she protects them by recruiting guys like me to fight for Her.

That's the mission.  Blaming people for the dysfunction inherent to failed state Confederation is not on mission, you're just shouting at a buncha civvies, they're not indoctrinated to do anything about anything.

Canada is a monarchy, it's our job, we who serve the Crown, we are the ones who took the oath, Canada is not a republic, there is no public rule, nobody in Canada who has not sworn the oath to serve, are at fault for anything, because they're not in the chain of command, they elect an MP, that's all they are asked to do, after that, everything is the fault of those who have sworn to serve, the Praetorian Guard as it were, that's how monarchy works, and Canada remains a monarchy, I assure you.

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So what it takes now is for soldiers to band together hire a lawyer and take the government to court, just to get a similar payout that is offered by workmen's comp....the only people making any money is the lawyers....

I was never a Union of National Defence Employees employee, I signed a contract of unlimited liability, that means the liability fell to me, as in if I get killed or wounded, the government is not liable per se.

In terms of payouts, that was all stipulated by the contract as well, and I have received what I am owed.

There's no basis for me to seek to be made whole by the courts, and  there's no such thing as a Soldier's Union in Canada, and I refuse to work for unions in any case, I despise organized labour thuggery,  I joined the army to get away from all that, any troop coming up to me talking like we are all part of some Union of Disgruntled Soldiers, is barking up the wrong tree, I'm a right wing nutjob, and I have the courage of those convictions, to include declining to take any organized labour action to try to leverage the Canadian taxpayer.

The Canadian taxpayer has paid more than enough, $20 billion a year is an enormous amount of money, DND just wastes most of it, that's not the Canadian taxpayers fault, DND has contempt for the Canadian taxpayer, blaming the taxpayer is blaming the victims of the fraudulent boondoggle which is DND.

Sometimes people thank me for my service, in the republican tradition, as If I was a citizen soldier, what I tell them is that I accept their thanks on behalf of Her Majesty, Elizabeth Windsor, because that is who is serving them, I never swore an oath to serve the Canadian public,  I would not kill nor die on behalf of a government, if they don't hold the Queen's Commission, I don't answer to them,  I serve the regiment, the corps and the Commander-in Chief, DND is neither here nor there, it's just another inherently corrupt, incompetent and dysfunctional Canadian government bureaucracy, who would ever kill and die for that? 

In the case of gun control, you can hold people responsible who advocate for that pointless security theater police state boondoggle, but "waste all the defence budget on boondoggles to the point where the military actually collapses" said no Canadian taxpayer ever.

The dysfunction of Canada is systemic and endemic, to include the racist apartheid gun control and the Permanent Militia which is the true name of the Canadian Forces.  It's so deeply ingrained in the DNA, it's patently naive to think that politicians will ever be able to fix it.  The Permanent Militia has never been well equipped, the Permanent Militia has always been sent into battle as cannon fodder for the Empire, that's what it is to be a Canadian soldier, that's what it has always been, so better get comfortable with it, so long as you insist on clinging to this failed state Confederation.

Canada took its own Vice Chief of the Defence Staff as a political prisoner for daring to try to fix something in the military, and the pers at DND rallied around the government and tried to obstruct justice in order to throw Norman under the bus for Trudeau, and you think suing this government is going to get you anywhere?

If you don't have a contract in hand, written in black and white that what you are demanding the government actually signed off on, then don't waste your money on a lawyer, because I think you will find that the contract was written by lawyers to limit the liability of the government in the contract of unlimited liability.

I don't have fealty for the government and I don't rely on them, I don't rely on them not to confiscate my property on the whim of some speech banning gun grabbers, and I certainly don't rely on them for my health neither, none the less, I did sign the contract of my own free will and there was nothing in there which guaranteed me a certain amount of benefits which they could never alter at some future point, that wasn't in the contract which they put in front of me, and I wasn't naive to think that a government would ever put that in the contract, these are the people who confiscate your property on a whim, why would you expect them to just give you things they didn't actually sign off on?

The People's Republic of Canada owes you nothing, because as I keep trying to tell you;  it does not exist.

They can take your guns, they can take your pension, they can do whatever they want, Canada does not protect you, does not protect your rights, does not protect your property, and bear in mind that even though everybody in Canada has a sob story, because Canada is actually just the largest remaining remnant of the British Empire, it does not hear your cries nor does it really care, Canada serves three purposes, keep the French in, keep the Americans out, keep the Indians down, unlimited benefits to the soldiers of the Crown over and above the Queen's Schilling was never part of the deal, not in 1867,  not now neither.

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It’s a strange narrative about the country and her military that falls apart quickly when you actually visit or live in other countries and realize just how good we have it.  Nothing is free.  All policy choices are paid for by taxpayers and made by voters.  Everything else is fiction.  The Queen has become a minor player in the national narrative because, other than the budget provided for occasional state visits and ceremony, the monarch has a minimal government function and no longer any authority, which has been taken on by our Governal General.  It remains largely ceremonial in the GG’s hands.   

Canadians do generally honour and appreciate their military.  Just because most of them don’t serve in it doesn’t mean that they all couldn’t, as our wars of conscription illustrate.   Joining the military or staying out of it is a choice people make for a variety of reasons.  That doesn’t make them weak or stupid or anything else.   Being a soldier is a role to play in a society.   We all play roles and I always try to be careful not to romanticize work.  Great if you’re passionate about your job and feel it’s a calling.  Many people don’t feel that way about their jobs or only feel that way for periods, which is fine as long as they do them well.  

If you feel the military is mistreated, advocate for it and try to rally support.  It happens for many causes.  The challenge, as always, is that there are so many causes.  For me it’s always about moving people quickly and efficiently because I’m passionate about urban planning and writing, though they have both been sidelines from my main role.  I feel like I could have multiple careers, but time marches on and we do what we can in the time we have.  

I take my position on gun control not because I don’t trust myself or the people I respect to handle a gun, but because I know too well how easily mistakes are made: a gun is stolen and falls into the wrong hands, a gun is misused during a stressful time to settle a domestic dispute (through murdering a spouse) or to commit suicide.  Maybe a child gets hold of it.  Too many things can go wrong.  What’s more, people can change on a dime.  Mental health can be unpredictable.  The wrong people sometimes acquire guns legally.  The black market gets guns from the legal market that end up in the hands of gangs.  

I simply believe that some so-called  freedoms create bigger freedom-limiting problems.   There’s something to be said for being able to walk anywhere in a big city at night on your own without fearing for your life.  That freedom of mobility is more precious to me than being able to own a high powered weapon as a collector, target shooter, or hunter.  Don’t get me wrong, hunters should still be able to hunt and there are perfectly good manual load weapons that hunters can use that require some effort and skill to use, as should be the case.  Fair enough. Perhaps target shooters can access weapons that are more high powered at the range but not keep them at home.  There are reasonable solutions.   

There is simply no good reason for Canada to risk public safety so that people can own handguns and semi-automatic assault rifles.  We have a good thing going in Canada, but shootings are on the rise.  Stop this decline before it’s too late.  That’s got nothing to do with a “totalitarian nanny police state fake country” or whatever other extreme language you want to use to characterize sensible gun control.  It’s called managing your society responsibly.  

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Canada does not protect me, does not protect my rights, does not protect my property.

All Canada does is confiscate my property at gun point, police armed with assault rifles will come to my door If I don't hand my property over to them, even though I have commited no crime.

I despise this Canadian "society",  I hate it with a passion. 

A "society" which pampers its criminals while punishing the law abiding. It's vile.  An abomination.

The murderer of Tori Stafford goes to a "healing lodge" while law abiding loyalist to the bone property owners are considered to be "potential terrorists".

Gang members in Toronto are given get out of jail free cards, cause "diversity", while utterly law abiding folk in the countryside are denounced as "White Supremacists"

None of this absurd farce is being imposed on us by the British Crown, it all comes from the philosopher kings of Canada, pretenders to the throne in their ivory towers in Toronto.

The British Crown has ruled here since 1763, and yet there wasn't even such a thing as a "Restricted" weapon until 1979, this is the not the Queen upon our necks with a boot heel, this is the People's Republic of Toronto,  which treats the rest of the country as their serfs.

In Toronto they are the Most Enlightened Ones, the rest of us are the Kulaks.

Just like in the Soviet Union, the Bolshevist academic elites in the cities coming to round up the property of the rural people, in the name of a Socialist Post Scarcity Utopia.

Vive le Quebec libre, Canada delenda est, down with the philosopher kings of Toronto.

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58 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

No one is taking property, unlike in the US where it can be done fo possessing weed.  Please cite one example of property being taken from Canadians by the authorities.  Alarmist nonsense.  

Example one is civil asset forfeiture; the government can seize your property, to include your house, merely by innuendo, no conviction required.

Example two; Green Energy Plan; the government can destroy the value of your property by imposing a wind farm on you, effectively seizing your property without even having to pay you as they would under eminent domain, so that's the worst of both worlds.

Example three; is banning firearms to seize them from the law abiding, under the rubric of protecting us from ourselves, with no logical basis for it, simply people panicking about terrorist attacks in America, inciting them to seize the property of the most law abiding people here in Canada, which in Canada, there is no protections from the rule of this mob.

And I am indeed sounding the alarm, Canada has slipped beyond the pale, Canada is a lawless totalitarian state now, the elites are above the law, the rest of us are subject to their whim with no practical recourse and if you defy them, you will be accused of thought crime and worse; "White Supremacist Terrorists!"

The Charter of Rights and Freedoms is absolutely worthless, they deliberately left property rights out of it, because being wealthy elites, they are at least aware that without property rights, you can't secure any other rights after, hence why only the rich have rights in Canada, not to mention they can also come and go as they please if Canada tries to screw them.

It's only the little guy who gets stomped on in Canada, the hapless law abiding taxpayer set upon by Bolshevists, in the Soviet Union these victims of totalitarian state lawlessness  were denounced as the "Kulaks".

The Soviets could do anything they wanted to you, simply by branding you as a Kulak, and that's how it works in Canada now too.

Canadian Kulaks are going to end up caught in a trap between a lawless totalitarian government with a rapacious appetite to confiscate at a whim, and criminal gangs which are armed to the teeth to home invade you at the drop of a hat, and there will be nothing you can do to protect your children from either of these monstrous  cohorts

If somebody wants to thank me for my service, thank me for fighting for a free country, don't thank me for serving the Government of Canada, that was a mistake which I now regret, hence why I disavow them without reservation.

I serve only Her Majesty, as she remains above the fray, the Queen is the last line of defence against tyranny, by allowing you to remain loyal, while still seeking to bring this inherently  corrupt and corrupting Bolshevist government down,  for crimes committed against their own people, to include theft of property with abandon.

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Any decisions to add further restrictions on firearms will come from our democratically elected governments in accordance with the will of the people, who can turf the government if it falls out of favour.  Wind farms?  That’s what you’re worried about, expropriations for wind farms?  Don’t worry, DoFo has shut down green energy subsidies and incentives.  Microfit for solar is also finito.  Our current provincial government has shut down seemingly benign programs like tree planting without reducing spending or taxes.  Our federal government could change in the fall for different problems.  I don’t know what you have against Canada.  I could say the Americans beat the Indigenous into submission under Manifest Destiny, kicked out the English, and subsumed various cultures in the Melting Pot.  There’s plenty to criticize about both countries, but you live in Canada and were paid for your military service by Canadians— and you call your military training, pay, and treatment excellent.  Appreciate your homeland, and as the Newfies say, “Leave the party with the one who brung ya.”  

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1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

 Appreciate your homeland, and as the Newfies say, “Leave the party with the one who brung ya.”  

We was the ones who brung ya, my people came here in 1757, Newfoundland didn't join Canada until 1949.

The Newfoundlanders know all about the crimes of the Government of Canada, Newfoundlanders should declare independence from it too, joining Confederation was a mistake, they got conned by the Liberal Party of Canada.

I appreciate my homeland, Victoria Regina Imperatrix, Mother Canada, the Queen is the country, the House of Windsor my only nation.

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That being said, Loyalists should still enjoy life, no fears on earth, the God of the Hebrews is with you, always.

Happy warriors, bearing hardships gladly,  overthrowing the philosopher kings of Toronto and their racist apartheid Confederation, will be both fun and profitable.

Canada delenda est is what woke is all about, get on board with the counterrevolutionaries, come on in for the big win, vive la Canadienne libre.

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On 8/15/2019 at 1:35 PM, Dougie93 said:

Again, I suffered no privations in the Canadian Forces other than that which was an operational imperative, or by defaulters under the QR&O's, Section 129, which I frankly brought upon myself for brawling, and that time on defaulters is long ago time served, and I did that time standing on my head.

Thus I have no grudge nor ill will towards the state on my behalf with regards to my service in the military, I actually found it to be a meritocracy, more than fair, and moreover by my standards growing up, we were pampered in the army, it was honestly a whole lotta fun, I have no bad feelings about serving in the Canadian Forces at all.

You've made a post without referring to your repetitious embarrassing love of the queen, monarchy, america, trump, etc. (capital letters withheld by request) . . . :huh:

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

You've made a post without referring to your embarrassing love of the queen, monarchy, america, trump, etc. (capital letters withheld by request) . . . :huh:

 

Love is not the correct term for my relationship with the CinC, for White Anglo Saxon Protestants, the Queen is God's representative on earth, the Anti-Pope. She defends and upholds the  Enlightenment as expressed by the Glorius Revolution of 1688, which is the War of Independence for the WASPs.

In terms of America, that's love, I love Americans and America, friendliest most upstanding forthright people on earth, home of the brave, land of the free.

Trump simply amuses me, and I support the underlying political dynamic of populist insurgency against the Beltway, Jacksonian is back, Nixonian is back, that's just fun, and I enjoy life.

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You can't actually discuss gun control cogently in Canada without a heavy dose of the Queen.

The entire structure of it is underpinned by the monarchy.

The Queen's Peace is the mandate for Canadian gun control.

The RCMP is weilding the power of the Queen, who has empowered them in their mandate to "maintain peace and order"

Hence why they can just ban things arbitrarily at random with no logical underpinning, the RCMP simply need not like the looks of something, to invoke the authority of the CinC.

The RCMP is also not a unionized civilian police department, the RCMP is a paramilitary Gendarmerie, a national security agency, with broad and sweeping powers, including overriding Parliament as they see fit, again, invoking the authority of the Queen as their Commander-in-Chief.

The RCMP can and will just round up your guns if they feel the need, without any elected official ordering them to do it.

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48 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Love is not the correct term for my relationship with the CinC, for White Anglo Saxon Protestants, the Queen is God's representative on earth, the Anti-Pope. She defends and upholds the Enlightenment as expressed by the Glorious Revolution of 1688, which is the War of Independence for the WASP's.    Wow !

Had a permit to pack while prospecting. Minimum calibre/caliber is .41

A lever big-bore long gun is a better choice, they're always in the way when you're using a packboard.

Coastal BC grows big bears.

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Had a permit to pack while prospecting. Minimum calibre/caliber is .41

A lever big-bore long gun is a better choice, they're always in the way when you're using a packboard.

Coastal BC grows big bears.

I can make any iron work for me, but for lever action I like the Browning BLR, $800.00 USD for a gun which is basically perfect.

 

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Mind you, since handguns are Restricted to the range in Canader, that's where your handy dandy Non-Restricted perfectly legal to shoot on Crown land Chicom Norinco M305 comes into play.

Australian AIA 10 round magazine, perfectly legal, ain't no bear gonna survive ten rounds of .308 delivered repetition fire, never mind if you're loaded for bear with lots of magazines.

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51 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

That being said, .357 magnum 125gr at 1500 fps will put a grizzly bear down, the main thing is to watch your background because it will probably explode right through its head and come out the other side still packing lethal force, overpenetration.

Have you ever shot a G-bear . . . . or, any bear for that matter ?

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It's funny when the Brits come to train in Pet, they are both fascinated by the bears and at the same time spooked that there are so many of them in close proximity all around.

We'd tell them not to worry about it, but still, they never were quite able to relax, they were always looking over their shoulders for the bear that was going to come charging out of the bush.

You don't really notice the prominence of the bears, until some European whose never seen one shows up and freaks out at the sight of them.

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I appreciate Grizzlies are absolutely unpredictable and can circle back and stalk, etc. I appreciate some people in rural areas have to live with some of them. I won't discuss that with those people as they will do what they think they have to do to defend themselves. I  can only speak of what I do know, black bears. Except for mating season and getting in the way of a mother and her cubs, most times they are not a problem. I mean any wild animal being attacked by black flies or clouds of mosquitoes can go nuts, and you leave food around especially bacon grease you will attract anything and everything, but pretty much for the most part black bears are not a danger. The problem is idiots feed them at the side of the road, or drive like idiots in the dark on highways or leave their garbage out. My problem is mostly with my own species homo sapiens. I think we are arrogant, infringe on the right of other life forms and do not respect our place in the scheme of things. The few encounters with black bears I have had were simple, I get under the canoe or climb a tree and wait for them to pass or go in the lake. I myself use an air horn with coyotes and bears if I have to. However back to guns, I believe we often confuse the concepts of regulating guns (gun control) with banning or blanket prohibition of guns. It is impossible to issue an absolute ban on rifles in Canada. They are needed by necessity hunters and people in rural areas. As for recreational hunters, the vast majority who I don't personally want anything to do with, follow the rules and bring in revenue.

What we are really concerned with is how guns get into the hands of people who are violent and/or criminal. The reality is the guns come in across the border through reservations no different then how tobacco goes back and forth. 

Living next door to the US means they will come in. I laugh at people who say get to the root cause of guns, poverty. The vast  majority of poor people do not have guns or turn to them which makes that idiot comment to me despicable. It uses poverty as an excuse for why people use guns illegally.

People use guns illegally because our borders are not stopping them coming in and individuals make the choice to use them.

Terms of sentencing for gun related crimes are now too light. That is because our politicians do not want to raise taxes to finance prison building to house criminals with longer sentences. That is the bottom line. Our existing prisons have no room for criminals so we reduced the sentences for using a gun.

Either have sufficient prisons to place people in prison for longer sentences or have the lenient laws we have because of lack of prison space but you can't have it both ways. Also if police can't engage in active policing interaction on the streets with people in certain neighbourhoods, of course in those neighbourhoods there will be more shootings. No one will say it but gun shooting went up when carding went out.

The same people who whine about racist police and carding and profiling are now whining about an increase in gun crimes. You can't have it both ways. If you want police to handle gangs who for the most part are responsible for the hand gun crimes, shaking people down on the streets as it was once called, is a necessity to keep gang members out of the wrong neighbourhood and to make sure they do not carry out in the day time as they now do.

I know our system. I have been on both sides of the fence with criminal prosecution and defense. Stupid boys grow large petunias to compensate for their small dicks by carrying guns. It gives them instant manhood and they now are carrying them around in broad day light because they do not fear getting hand searched on the streets. That is the reality of being a cop. You do not role down the window and ask questions anymore. You don't stop these jack asses walking like they got a pickle shoved up their ass.

If you stop someone and shake them down you get accused of being racist, etc., so cops have stopped. Shakedowns consisted of asking questions doing random body searches, it kept the streets somewhat under control. Someone with the wrong colours or in the wrong place, was picked up and taken back to their side of the neighbourhood.

Now every loser has a gun and think it makes up for their atrophied testacles.

I use such terms because go look at the stats and see how few women use guns in crimes.

Guns and testosterone don't mix well.

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Rue said:

Now every loser has a gun and think it makes up for their atrophied testacles.

I use such terms because go look at the stats and see how few women use guns in crimes.

Guns and testosterone don't mix well.

I grew up in the hood with the gangsters, I'd say they'd beat you to death if you wanted to go that way, they were pretty tough, West Indians, they backed down to no man.

The reason they went to the guns, is that it was pretty much a stalemate otherwise, nobody backed down to nobody.

They certainly feared dying, but they overcame that fear in order to do the job, which is all physical bravery really is in the end, same thing for a soldier.

In terms of women, the women were sort of off limits, they wouldn't kill each others women, they were male chauvinists, they had a sense of chivalry.

You gotta have big brassy ones to be a gangster, you're basically a gunfighter in the street, and it can go down at any tine.

None the less, it was almost exclusively male against male, they didn't target women, they didn't target children, the only time anyone else got hit was in the crossfire, collateral damage.

Testosterone was a double edged sword, on the one hand it made them aggressive, on the other hand they had a male honor code too, which is why I didn't live in fear of them, if you don't f*ck with them, they won't f*ck with you, because they're just trying to make money, if you're not the competition, you're no threat to them.

It's not like they were monsters, they were just regular run o' the mill Jamaicans, who are not to be trifled with, but really they were about business, it's a business, they were making big money, and the people who was buying the cocaine, they were all wealthy white people, lawyers n' shit, just like you.

This was big business, international organized crime, Posse's which reported up chains of command back to Jamaica, and the fuel was the rich white people in Toronto having to have their cocaine.

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3 hours ago, Rue said:

If you stop someone and shake them down you get accused of being racist, etc., so cops have stopped. Shakedowns consisted of asking questions doing random body searches, it kept the streets somewhat under control. Someone with the wrong colours or in the wrong place, was picked up and taken back to their side of the neighbourhood.

Random searches on the street is a police state, what they do to the blacks in the hood, they will come to do to everybody in the end.

I refuse to submit to a random search by the police, if they try that shit on me, I'll tell them to go f*ck themselves.

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