Bernier Steps Up on Immigration

[Argus]

13 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

He is - how the French say - 'cuckoo for cocoa puff'.  Can you imagine a sitting prime minister declaring that the UN is a joke ?  So - would he pull out of the UN ?  Nutty.

How does saying the UN is a joke, which it is on so many issues, make Bernier crazy? I suspect you think he's crazy because he disagrees with some of your progressive social views and for no other reason. You are an open borders guy and he wants to reinforce the borders. That does not make him crazy.

[Argus]

On 7/25/2019 at 9:53 PM, Shady said:

I like Bernier.  But I can’t in good conscience vote for him if it means another term of Justin.  That’s my worry.

Mine too. But the Conservatives have a simple solution to keep Bernier from gaining popularity; grow a pair. Bernier has laid out a clear policy on a number of issues, from immigration to supply management and corporate welfare. What have the tories set out a clear policy on? Nothing. It's all vague promises because they're afraid of offending anyone with specifics. I got an email from my MP this morning in response to my telling him I wasn't going to vote for him again, reiterating the Tory 'immigration' plan. They will stop the flow of illegal border crossers (how?), reverse the damage Trudeau has done to the system (how?) and restore fairness order and compassion. Riiiight. Words designed to mean whatever you want them to mean, with no actual specifics to be bound to or criticized for. Sounds like business as usual to me. Ie, we're not going to do a damn thing different than Trudeau because we support mass immigration too.

They're continuing to ignore the base as if the base has nowhere else to go, and play to the centre left. If they go down to defeat because of Bernier 100% of the blame will lie with their arrogance, incompetence, cowardice, and utter inability to read the will of their own base, much less the people of Canada.

Edited July 30, 2019 by Argus

[Shady]

14 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. What is nonsense ?  My assertions about Bernier ?  They are fact.

2. Your opinion, which is why you would receive even less votes than Bernier.

3. For someone who actually expects to be PM then, yes, it's crazy.  If you are a UFOs-are-real type candidate then it's not crazy to acknowledge it.

4. And yet Scheer is crazy for wanting to be part of the UN Security Council ?  Your Conservative top guns don't agree.  One of them must be crazy, right ?

 

No, it is absolutely not a fact that he's cuckoo for cocoa puff, whatever that means.  You're entitled to your own opinion, however you're not entitled to your own facts.  I can absolutely imagine a prime minister declaring that the UN is a joke.  It would be refreshing for a politician to acknowledge reality.  You may disagree, and is a completely valid opinion, but so is the opinion you're criticizing.  Asserting that simply acknowledging the massive disfunctiion within the UN is tantamount to UFOs is intellectually dishonest, dumb, and just more nonsense.  I actually think the opposite.  Not acknowledging reality when it comes to the UN is more of a UFOs-are-real candidate.  Because they're much more disattached from reality.  *Sigh*, you're a broken record.  Just as it's not crazy for somebody to criticize the disfunction of the UN, it's not crazy to want a seat, and be a part of the United Nations either.  Are you aware that legitimiate disagreements on policy, whichever side, don't have to be considered crazy.  They can just be differences of opinion.  The constant need for one side to call the other side crazy for a policy disagreement needs to stop.  It's juvenile.  

[Shady]

From The Atlantic

The UN Human Rights Council Is a Deeply Flawed Body

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/06/us-un-human-rights/563276/

 

Omg, craaaaaaaaaaazzzzzzzzzzyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Michael Hardner]

I feel that what you say is essentially true, however a true statesman would find a better way to make it work for Canada.

 

MB is kowtowing to people who want us to pull out.

[J4L]

43 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I feel that what you say is essentially true, however a true statesman would find a better way to make it work for Canada.

 

MB is kowtowing to people who want us to pull out.

They should rename the UN. It should be known as "We Hate Israel Club." SInce all of their worthless resolutions are drafted against Israel and no other nation.

[Machjo]

On 7/25/2019 at 10:39 AM, Argus said:

Maxime Bernier has finally come out with a full out speech on immigration going well beyond earlier hints. Among his promises is to drop immigration to between 100k and 150k, put an end to illegal border crossing even if that means fencing off miles of border, outlaw birth tourism, and require potential immigrants to have face to face interviews which will include values testing, and to prioritize economic immigrants. On refugees, he said Canada needs to prioritize those immigrants who can't be safely housed in nearby countries, like Christians and Yazidis.

There's nothing in this speech for me to dislike. I have been giving serious consideration to going PPC in the upcoming election, and given this as well as the rest of the PPCs policies, including doing away with corporate welfare and inter-provincial trade barriers, I think that this year I'll be voting for the PPC.

Bernier also said in his speech that he will reduce the total intake of immigrants and refugees to between 100,000 and 150,000 annually, depending on economic circumstances, which is significantly lower than the federal Liberals’ target of 350,000 per year. He also said he will outlaw “birth tourism,” a practice in which foreign travellers come to Canada to deliver children as a way to secure citizenship. He promised to increase the proportion of economic immigrants to non-economic-class immigrants and require immigration applicants to go through face-to-face interviews to assess the extent to which they align with Canadian values.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/build-a-fence-maxime-bernier-announces-plan-by-peoples-party-to-crack-down-on-immigration/wcm/3873d4aa-28c8-4722-bd69-d0e885392263

I would abandon quotas altogether and replace them with a test instead. For example, as a long-term strategy, I could imagine Canada reuiwing anyone born more than one year after the new law is passed to obtain one of three 5-year language passports to enter Canada:

An English-language passport (ELP),

A French-language passport (PLF), and

An Esperanto Passport (EP).

To obtain any of these passports, the person would have to:

1. Be under age fifteen or over age seventy,

2. Obtain a compassionate exemption, with the reason for the exemption detailed in the passport and the passport expiring after the time that the person is expected to need it for the compassionate grounds, or

3. Pass a test proving mastery of the language of the passport.

Additionally, he might have to sign a self-exclusion form to exclude himself from casinos for the duratin of the passport good measure.

He'd have to pay the market price for the passport including emergency medical coverage included in the passport (so it would be somewhat expensive but then he could be exempted from other fees or taxes to compensate should he end up working in Canada.

He might also need to upload a will and testament that would limit his burial in a grave to a maximum of fifteen years (enough to let the body rot to the bones) and then have the bones transfered to an ossuary. This would be to help manage land use.

Oh, and the above would just be to enter the country whether to transit through Canada on a change of flights, visit, or whatever. Since Esperanto is extremely easy to learn, it shouldn't pose too much of a problem to obtain that passport but then we wouldn't need to spend so much money on police, court, medical, and other interpreters and translators since all visitors to Canada with few exceptions would know either English, French, or at least Esperanto (which authorities could master in no time). So easier to manage overall.

Then with such controls in place, we could even consider allowing a holder of any of these three passports to study, work, or do business in Canada visa-free if we wanted to. Essentially, we'd make it more difficult to come to Canada but easier to remain.

[taxme]

On 7/26/2019 at 10:23 AM, Shady said:

From The Atlantic

The UN Human Rights Council Is a Deeply Flawed Body

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/06/us-un-human-rights/563276/

 

Omg, craaaaaaaaaaazzzzzzzzzzyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dump the United Nations and save all the taxpayer's of the world billions of their tax dollars every year being blown on a bunch of useless and stupid and non productive communist programs and agendas that have done nothing for the world to try and make it a better place to live or safer since it was created. The world is in more chaos today than it ever was thanks to the United Nations that has done nothing to solve anything. Tear that United Nations building down or open it up for housing for the people who need housing. A lot better use for the building then what it is being used for today.  Works well for me.   

Edited July 27, 2019 by taxme

[taxme]

On 7/26/2019 at 10:21 AM, Shady said:

No, it is absolutely not a fact that he's cuckoo for cocoa puff, whatever that means.  You're entitled to your own opinion, however you're not entitled to your own facts.  I can absolutely imagine a prime minister declaring that the UN is a joke.  It would be refreshing for a politician to acknowledge reality.  You may disagree, and is a completely valid opinion, but so is the opinion you're criticizing.  Asserting that simply acknowledging the massive disfunctiion within the UN is tantamount to UFOs is intellectually dishonest, dumb, and just more nonsense.  I actually think the opposite.  Not acknowledging reality when it comes to the UN is more of a UFOs-are-real candidate.  Because they're much more disattached from reality.  *Sigh*, you're a broken record.  Just as it's not crazy for somebody to criticize the disfunction of the UN, it's not crazy to want a seat, and be a part of the United Nations either.  Are you aware that legitimiate disagreements on policy, whichever side, don't have to be considered crazy.  They can just be differences of opinion.  The constant need for one side to call the other side crazy for a policy disagreement needs to stop.  It's juvenile.  

I thought that the main reason for any country having an ambassador was for those countries to have an ambassador to try and settle and solve any disputes between two country's if things are not going well between them? Why have the UN get involved? Otherwise, why should any country bother having an ambassador?  A waste of taxpayer's tax dollars once again. Just let the United Nations do the talking and do the solving. Yes/no? 

[taxme]

19 hours ago, J4L said:

They should rename the UN. It should be known as "We Hate Israel Club." SInce all of their worthless resolutions are drafted against Israel and no other nation.

Pretty much every country in the world hates Israel. I wonder why? There must be a good reason for that, yes/no? 

[J4L]

5 hours ago, taxme said:

Pretty much every country in the world hates Israel. I wonder why? There must be a good reason for that, yes/no? 

Probably since there are nearly 100 Islamic nations that have seats at the UN. Worldwide, Muslims outnumber Jews by a ratio of over 160 to 1.

[Charles Anthony]

Folks,  

Stay on topic.  Avoid thread drift. 

[egghead]

1 hour ago, Charles Anthony said:

Folks,  

Stay on topic.  Avoid thread drift. 

I don't know, people (inclusive here), may be we shall all relax and let the thread take its course 

[Argus]

2 hours ago, egghead said:

I don't know, people (inclusive here), may be we shall all relax and let the thread take its course 

The thread is on immigration and the PPC not on why Nazis hate Israel

[Argus]

An internal government report says that the government should do... pretty much what Maxine Bernier has been saying, which is to focus on the majority, on shared values and not on 'diversity' to fight populism.

As reported by the CP, “The group was told to encourage more public conversations and debate focused on “us” rather than “us-versus-them” narratives to foster “social cohesion.” A briefing note prepared for the senior civil servants warned that if only “marginalized populations are considered,” the result would be that “others feel as if they do not matter.”

“Social cohesion must become a new lens of policy-making. In order to achieve this, the government needs to build connections across difference, foster greater empathy and bring the focus back to the majority (i.e. the middle groups),” officials wrote in the documents.”

The report clearly points out that identity politics must be avoided:

“When it comes to future communications, deputy ministers stressed the need to “focus on shared values rather than diversity values when framing the social cohesion narrative,” the meeting summary says.”

https://www.spencerfernando.com/2019/08/08/surprise-internal-government-report-contradicts-trudeaus-diversity-rhetoric-says-focus-needs-to-be-on-social-cohesion-shared-values/

[Domitian]

Not original and beyond ridiculous. I know what a map is. I know who our neighbor to the south is and if they've made it this far North the Americans have allowed it to happen. They probably drove them right up to the border. 

 

 

[taxme]

Maxine Bernier's PPC conservative program and agenda to make Canada great again: 

1.Reduce immigration levels.

2. Tackling the illegal refugee crisis.

3. Ending official multiculturalism and preserve Canadian values and culture.

4. Reducing and reforming equalization.

5. Abolish development aid to foreign countries and taking care of Canadians in need.

6. Phasing out supply management.

7. Lowering the income taxes for all Canadians. 

8. Getting rid of corporate welfare.

9. Respecting the Constitution and the division of power between Ottawa and the provinces.

10. Eliminate marketing boards to make buying food cheaper. 

11. Just some of the many programs and agendas plus many more that the leftist lieberals are in fear of losing. Liberalism stinks. 

Maxine Bernier is a man for we the people and a man who cares about Canada and not the rest of the world. Canada has given away hundreds of billions over the decades of our Canadian tax dollars to countries who did not deserve it. It has done nothing to help get rid of poverty in many of those countries that received our tax dollars. Why are the people who sleep on the streets in some foreign countries seem to be more important to the lieberals than our own Canadians who sleep on the streets? Refugees get to sleep in hotels while our own people get to sleep on the streets. That is what liberals call common sense and logic. I call it sheer liberal and foolish stupidity. But hey. 

It is the liberal/socialist/communist deep state Canadian leftist liberal politicians and non-Canadian special interest minority groups that have been running and ruling and ruining this once great nation called Canada for so long now that has only made this country become the laughing stock of the world and pretty much bankrupt. We have comrade Trudeau who only thinks about the rest of the world and the promotion of multiculturalism, gayism, and political correctness(censorship). 

Four more years of this fool and Canada as we once knew and grew up in is finished. Foreigners will make the rules now, and the host western Canadians can now just sit down and shut the hell up. Just my opinion of course and I am sticking with it. Works for me. 

Edited August 12, 2019 by taxme

[Army Guy]

On 7/26/2019 at 10:48 PM, Michael Hardner said:

I feel that what you say is essentially true, however a true statesman would find a better way to make it work for Canada.

 

MB is kowtowing to people who want us to pull out.

What does Canada get from the UN to start with, that benefits Canada in ant meaningful way ," like the non binding immigration pact" I mean really if our statesmen are as good as you say they can still agree to uphold current UN policies and compacts that benefit our nation, and dump the rest of the baggage that goes with belonging to the UN. Our statesmen and women  could bring any of these policies into parliament and make them our own, if need be right. So we don't have a voice in the UN big deal, not like we really have one now, we are just a spectator.

Justin is kowtowing to people who think the UN is valid organization....thats what politicians do right kowtow...  

[taxme]

8 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

What does Canada get from the UN to start with, that benefits Canada in ant meaningful way ," like the non binding immigration pact" I mean really if our statesmen are as good as you say they can still agree to uphold current UN policies and compacts that benefit our nation, and dump the rest of the baggage that goes with belonging to the UN. Our statesmen and women  could bring any of these policies into parliament and make them our own, if need be right. So we don't have a voice in the UN big deal, not like we really have one now, we are just a spectator.

Justin is kowtowing to people who think the UN is valid organization....thats what politicians do right kowtow...  

Canada has and never will get anything that benefits Canadians from the United Nations except for plenty of grief and more new unwanted and unneeded refugees. Canadians just get a huge bill every year to help keep running that useless outfit and the useless idiots that work for that outfit. The world is no better off today then it was before the United Nations came along. It seems to have got worse. I say boot those useless bunch of leftist twits in the UN building out of that building and hand the building over to people who need a home. There are just too many people who need low cost affordable housing. At least that building can be put to better use than what it is being used for today. Comrade Trudeau is a kowtow. 

[WestCanMan]

On 7/25/2019 at 7:39 AM, Argus said:

Maxime Bernier has finally come out with a full out speech on immigration going well beyond earlier hints. Among his promises is to drop immigration to between 100k and 150k, put an end to illegal border crossing even if that means fencing off miles of border, outlaw birth tourism, and require potential immigrants to have face to face interviews which will include values testing, and to prioritize economic immigrants. On refugees, he said Canada needs to prioritize those immigrants who can't be safely housed in nearby countries, like Christians and Yazidis.

There's nothing in this speech for me to dislike. I have been giving serious consideration to going PPC in the upcoming election, and given this as well as the rest of the PPCs policies, including doing away with corporate welfare and inter-provincial trade barriers, I think that this year I'll be voting for the PPC.

Bernier also said in his speech that he will reduce the total intake of immigrants and refugees to between 100,000 and 150,000 annually, depending on economic circumstances, which is significantly lower than the federal Liberals’ target of 350,000 per year. He also said he will outlaw “birth tourism,” a practice in which foreign travellers come to Canada to deliver children as a way to secure citizenship. He promised to increase the proportion of economic immigrants to non-economic-class immigrants and require immigration applicants to go through face-to-face interviews to assess the extent to which they align with Canadian values.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/build-a-fence-maxime-bernier-announces-plan-by-peoples-party-to-crack-down-on-immigration/wcm/3873d4aa-28c8-4722-bd69-d0e885392263

I like Bernier as a leader and on policy more than Scheer. BUT:

I think that Scheer is a FAR better choice to go against Trudeau. His milquetoast policies are hard for Trudeau to spin into :"racists affronts to humanity and further proof that 'old stock Canadians' are the scum of the earth!"

This election isn't a chance to show which Conservative leader you like more. It's a last-ditch effort to save the country. A vote for Bernier's party is a vote for Trudeau.

[taxme]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

I like Bernier as a leader and on policy more than Scheer. BUT:

I think that Scheer is a FAR better choice to go against Trudeau. His milquetoast policies are hard for Trudeau to spin into :"racists affronts to humanity and further proof that 'old stock Canadians' are the scum of the earth!"

This election isn't a chance to show which Conservative leader you like more. It's a last-ditch effort to save the country. A vote for Bernier's party is a vote for Trudeau.

Maybe not so. Canadians could end up with two conservative political party's after the election and running the country together. A vote just for Scheer is a vote for the same old comrade style Trudeau programs and agendas but only done at a slower pace. The end result will still be the same. We will still have a liberal/progressive conservative government in power id Scheer is elected. Scheer is not a real and true conservative. Bernier is a real and true conservative. With Scheer, immigration and multiculturalism and political correctness(censorship)will still be the order of the day. Just saying.  

[WestCanMan]

26 minutes ago, taxme said:

Maybe not so. Canadians could end up with two conservative political party's after the election and running the country together. A vote just for Scheer is a vote for the same old comrade style Trudeau programs and agendas but only done at a slower pace. The end result will still be the same. We will still have a liberal/progressive conservative government in power id Scheer is elected. Scheer is not a real and true conservative. Bernier is a real and true conservative. With Scheer, immigration and multiculturalism and political correctness(censorship)will still be the order of the day. Just saying.  

No, unfortunately that's not how it would play out.

You could have Conservatives of both stripes coming up with a combined total of 66% of the popular vote in particular riding and still lose if they get 33% each and the Libs get 34%. That means 1 seat for the Libs and zero for the conservatives in that riding. It's not pro-rated.

A vote for Bernie IS essentially a vote for Trudeau.

Edited August 13, 2019 by WestCanMan

[taxme]

19 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

No, unfortunately that's not how it would play out.

You could have Conservatives of both stripes coming up with a combined total of 66% of the popular vote in particular riding and still lose if they get 33% each and the Libs get 34%. That means 1 seat for the Libs and zero for the conservatives in that riding. It's not pro-rated.

A vote for Bernie IS essentially a vote for Trudeau.

My problem with Scheer is that I just do not see any difference between comrade Trudeau and liberal Scheer. Bernier is saying what I believe that most Canadians want to hear and happen. Scheer has no opinion on any of Berniers programs. Trudeau has the power right now to make Scheer run around in circles because Scheer is just to politically correct to be able to challenge comrade Trudeau. All comrade Trudeau has to say is call Scheer racist and all Scheer can do is try to keep up that attack by him and which the media will go after him on that all the time. But by then the damage may have been done by Trudeau to Scheer. The sad part about Scheer is that he is not a real and true conservative. If Scheer would stand up on his own two feet and attack Trudeau constantly for what he has been doing to Canada and Canadians for four years now he would show to me that he is a conservative. 

I will be taking my chances and will be voting for Bernier because he speaks for me and appears to want to implement the same programs and agendas that I believe in. I do not trust Scheer at all. I do not even know as to what his real policy is. He stays mum because he fears the paid off leftist liberal Canadian media that Trudeau owns. Scheer should have condemned this outright and made a big deal out of it by attacking comrade Trudeau that this is an attack on freedom of speech. Hey, if Trudeau gets back in power then it will be goodbye for Canada and that should get Western separation on the move. Scheer is afraid of the media and that is his big problem. If he were a Trump who did not give a chit about what the media said he would have shown to me at least that he was a real and true conservative. People like that in a politician. Say it as it is and stop trying to hide their feelings of fear of the media. I know that I will be pushing it here but it did work for Trump. Scheer has the chance to show Canadians in the debates coming up and start to act like a Trump. The debates is where he can get comrade Trudeau and nail him good. If all Scheer will do during the debates is talk like a wimp well Trudeau could be a shoo in again. My opinion.  

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

My problem with Scheer is that I just do not see any difference between comrade Trudeau and liberal Scheer. Bernier is saying what I believe that most Canadians want to hear and happen. Scheer has no opinion on any of Berniers programs. Trudeau has the power right now to make Scheer run around in circles because Scheer is just to politically correct to be able to challenge comrade Trudeau. All comrade Trudeau has to say is call Scheer racist and all Scheer can do is try to keep up that attack by him and which the media will go after him on that all the time. But by then the damage may have been done by Trudeau to Scheer. The sad part about Scheer is that he is not a real and true conservative. If Scheer would stand up on his own two feet and attack Trudeau constantly for what he has been doing to Canada and Canadians for four years now he would show to me that he is a conservative. 

I will be taking my chances and will be voting for Bernier because he speaks for me and appears to want to implement the same programs and agendas that I believe in. I do not trust Scheer at all. I do not even know as to what his real policy is. He stays mum because he fears the paid off leftist liberal Canadian media that Trudeau owns. Scheer should have condemned this outright and made a big deal out of it by attacking comrade Trudeau that this is an attack on freedom of speech. Hey, if Trudeau gets back in power then it will be goodbye for Canada and that should get Western separation on the move. Scheer is afraid of the media and that is his big problem. If he were a Trump who did not give a chit about what the media said he would have shown to me at least that he was a real and true conservative. People like that in a politician. Say it as it is and stop trying to hide their feelings of fear of the media. I know that I will be pushing it here but it did work for Trump. Scheer has the chance to show Canadians in the debates coming up and start to act like a Trump. The debates is where he can get comrade Trudeau and nail him good. If all Scheer will do during the debates is talk like a wimp well Trudeau could be a shoo in again. My opinion.  

Omg. 

You have two choices:

Vote for Scheer or vote for Trudeau/Bernier. One or the other. 

[Army Guy]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

Omg. 

You have two choices:

Vote for Scheer or vote for Trudeau/Bernier. One or the other. 

You forgot these options , vote for greens or NDP is a vote for Trudeau, looks like we only have two choices this election, liberals or liberals lites...