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New Zealand is a country.  It's a country with the same governance as Canada, British Westminster Parliamentary Supremacy.

New Zealand population; 4.7 million.

New Zealand GDP; $205 billion.

British Columbia population; 4.9 million

British Columbia GDP; $282 billion.

If New Zealand can be its own country, why not BC?

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Moreover, if we free ourselves from this high tariff, high tax, low income Ottawa jail, everybody can get richer.

Without the dairy farmers in Quebec making the Americans punish Ontario, Ontario goes over a trillion GDP tomorrow.

There's no need for trade war, we don't have to tax ourselves for special interests

The way to compete with the Americans is to drop all tariffs, lower taxes, stop killing the small business job creators, and be competitive by those means.

The way to make money is to attract money, the way to attract money is not lawless totalitarian nanny police state Liberalism, that's how you drive capital away.

Flight to Quality is the source of all American wealth and power, you can't beat that head to head in a war.

The only thing you can do is create your own quality to attract more investment to you, and Canada doesn't even have property rights.

So that's not where property owners want to park, they might do an arbitrage play to access American money in Canada

But that will flee back to the Americans if you are relying on tariffs to try to keep it here, soon as the Americans retaliate.

The Americans are so attractive, they can get away with charging an entry fee, but Canada can't win playing that game back at the Americans

Canada is dragging us all down, Canada is making us the enemies of the Americans, Canada wants to run off to China, and it's killing us.

Everything is run by and for the Liberal elites in downtown Toronto.

They are crazy and delusional and sailing towards the rocks,  but nobody can stop them, because they control us by way of Quebec.

The only way to vote them out, is for Quebec to vote itself out, then we people see that the sky didn't fall, the rest can follow.

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3 hours ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Never happen . . . not without an overwhelming push from Alta, Sask, and Man !

 

In a "democracy" we should be able to have a referendum and if successful, simply separate. 

Simple as that.    If we do not live in a democracy but in a dictatorship, things work differently.

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3 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Ontario population; 14 million

Ontario GDP; $825 billion.

Big dog,  Australia of our very own.  Buh-bye Canada.

The way I see it, if you can cut off ties with those huge population centers that just demand resources but produce close to nothing and you have less population on more space with a lot of potential and resources, you should be doing good.

But of course those that were left outside will want to get in and take part of what is there.   And then being able to protect your riches from invaders becomes important. 

I still have the gut feeling that much of America's greatness is based on fire power and intimidation tactics.

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12 minutes ago, cougar said:

 

I still have the gut feeling that much of America's greatness is based on fire power and intimidation tactics.

Because you're a typical Canadian who knee jerk fears them, which is culturally ingrained,  but doesn't understand how and why America is so powerful and rich.

They have military power because they are rich, they are not rich because they have military power.

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29 minutes ago, cougar said:

The way I see it, if you can cut off ties with those huge population centers that just demand resources but produce close to nothing and you have less population on more space with a lot of potential and resources, you should be doing good.

Except information is now the most valuable commodity in the world, the big cities are where that resource flows from, natural resources are declining in value as the information age makes everything more efficient. 

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28 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

They have military power because they are rich, they are not rich because they have military power.

As far as I know they are also in the hole.  But maybe your info is different and better than mine?

Information is virtually useless without resources.  Try to live on information not eating any food and not taking any air or water and see how this works out for you.

 

 

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13 minutes ago, cougar said:

As far as I know they are also in the hole.  But maybe your info is different and better than mine?

Information is virtually useless without resources.  Try to live on information not eating any food and not taking any air or water and see how this works out for you.

A 20 trillion dollar annual GDP economy can carry a 20 trillion dollar mortgage, the Flight to Quality once again makes American IOU's so sought after that they can sell much more debt than they have to date.

As information is the most valuable commodity, those who have it will more than be able to afford the bulk water.

Mind you, if you want to be completely intransigent to try to leverage them?  Okay, maybe they will have to resort to some threats and intimidation then.

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That's another problem with Canada.

The assumption by Canadians that they are entitled to the same credit as the Americans, and so Canada can run a mortgage like the Americans.

That's not the case.

Such as Ontario having the same amount of debt as California, with less than half as many people and an economy nowhere near as dynamic.

That's going to come back to haunt.  Not the end of the world, but Ontario is going to run into a wall which California won't

The Global Hegemon with the Flight to Quality and the primary reserve currency, can borrow exponentially more than Canada,

It's not that Canada has no credit, but it's not the same as the Americans.

Ontario's GDP is $800 billion, California's is $3 trillion, Ontario borrowing as much, and in fact more now, than California, is beyond our means.

California is twice as rich as all of Canada combined, and yet Ontario has borrowed more, so that's going to crash soon.

People in Ontario actually think they can borrow more than the Americans, so it's la la land at this point in Ontario.

13 years of the Liberals bribing people with their own money, except it wasn't money they had, it was all on the credit card.

And that's the same Liberals britbing people with their own money from Ottawa, the Trudeau Liberals are the Wynneginty Liberals.

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1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

A 20 trillion dollar annual GDP economy can carry a 20 trillion dollar mortgage, the Flight to Quality once again makes American IOU's so sought after that they can sell much more debt than they have to date.

As information is the most valuable commodity, those who have it will more than be able to afford the bulk water.

Mind you, if you want to be completely intransigent to try to leverage them?  Okay, maybe they will have to resort to some threats and intimidation then.

I do not believe any economy can carry any mortgage.  Those mortgages will be based on the future exploitation of resources and food production and at one point it will be impossible to produce what one needs to offset the debt.  Think about those pyramid schemes where you pay $10 to one person on a list, make 100 copies and send them out with the idea of collecting millions after a few cycles.

By "information"  you mean the information to extract more resources, or to extract them faster and more efficiently, this type of information; not the soap opera information in your newspapers, radio and entertainment industry.   What I told you is still valid.  Your information ain't worth nothing without the actual physical resource.

And this is why the almighty USA needs to show off its military in the Middle East, Asia and wherever it can get economic benefits from.

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3 minutes ago, cougar said:

And this is why the almighty USA needs to show off its military in the Middle East, Asia and wherever it can get economic benefits from.

 

It is also why Canada (and many other nations) begs the USA to use its military and economic power to protect the "post WW2 order"...because Canada can't.

Ontario is arguably more dependent on the U.S. than Alberta...separation is more viable.

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13 minutes ago, cougar said:

I do not believe any economy can carry any mortgage.  Those mortgages will be based on the future exploitation of resources and food production and at one point it will be impossible to produce what one needs to offset the debt.  Think about those pyramid schemes where you pay $10 to one person on a list, make 100 copies and send them out with the idea of collecting millions after a few cycles.

By "information"  you mean the information to extract more resources, or to extract them faster and more efficiently, this type of information; not the soap opera information in your newspapers, radio and entertainment industry.   What I told you is still valid.  Your information ain't worth nothing without the actual physical resource.

And this is why the almighty USA needs to show off its military in the Middle East, Asia and wherever it can get economic benefits from.

Yeah but if you have both, like the USA does, the actual resource is more valuable because of the information, and the information is more value added than the physical resource itself. You might need the hardware to run the software, but the software is more valuable.

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8 hours ago, cougar said:

1. The way I see it, if you can cut off ties with those huge population centers that just demand resources but produce close to nothing ...

2. And then being able to protect your riches from invaders becomes important. 

1. Wait, are you saying Ontario produces close to nothing?

2. Which Invaders?  Who do you think owns the oil companies, Albertans ?

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8 hours ago, cougar said:

I do not believe any economy can carry any mortgage.  Those mortgages will be based on the future exploitation of resources and food production and at one point it will be impossible to produce what one needs to offset the debt.  Think about those pyramid schemes where you pay $10 to one person on a list, make 100 copies and send them out with the idea of collecting millions after a few cycles.

By "information"  you mean the information to extract more resources, or to extract them faster and more efficiently, this type of information; not the soap opera information in your newspapers, radio and entertainment industry.   What I told you is still valid.  Your information ain't worth nothing without the actual physical resource.

And this is why the almighty USA needs to show off its military in the Middle East, Asia and wherever it can get economic benefits from.

Well, fair enough I suppose, one is welcome to ones views, although restricting the money supply favors the rich, and to restrict it absolutely I would expect to incite revolution.

The people want what they want when they want it, and they don't want a Dickensian lifestyle from the 19th century.

It was the First World War you see, the birth of postmodernity,  it's like a big bang and we're all still living in the expanding history from that event horizon.

But you are correct that King Dollar is information, IOU's to redeem in the American hegenomy, and yes, the Americans defend their hegenomy, otherwise known as the Pax Americana.  Personally,  I find the American hegenomy to be preferable to all the realistic alternatives.

"No force in history has done more to advance the human condition than American freedom" - Big Daddy Trump President of Canada

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3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Wait, are you saying Ontario produces close to nothing?

2. Which Invaders?  Who do you think owns the oil companies, Albertans ?

Ontario produces nothing that can't be done elsewhere in Canada . . .

Other than a pile of politicians (Alberta beef leave piles too) and a real shitty hockey team, what does Ontario really have?  Oh, pardon me . . . Ontario has you and Dougie93 !   :rolleyes:

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2 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Ontario produces nothing that can't be done elsewhere in Canada . . .

Other than a pile of politicians (Alberta beef leave piles too) and a real shitty hockey team, what does Ontario really have?  Oh, pardon me . . . Ontario has you and Dougie93 !   :rolleyes:

Again, in the information age, Ontario is the source of wealth and power, Alberta beef is worth less all the time, as less people are eating beef all the time.

The Canadian industrial economy is transitioning into irrelevance, but as the industrial workers are laid off in Oshawa, information workers are being hired in Mississauga, so it's all good,

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15 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Moreover, if we free ourselves from this high tariff, high tax, low income Ottawa jail, everybody can get richer.

Without the dairy farmers in Quebec making the Americans punish Ontario, Ontario goes over a trillion GDP tomorrow.

This whole country gets screwed by Quebec 6 ways from Sunday. They get half the money from "equalizaton" and they also get unfair trade advantages.

Now Trudeau is catering to them in his pre-election spending spree, as if they need more from the rest of the country.

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15 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Again, in the information age, Ontario is the source of wealth and power, Alberta beef is worth less all the time, as less people are eating beef all the time.

The Canadian industrial economy is transitioning into irrelevance, but as the industrial workers are laid off in Oshawa, information workers are being hired in Mississauga, so it's all good,

Again, Ontario produces nothing that can't be done elsewhere in Canada . . .

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Just now, Nefarious Banana said:

Again, Ontario produces nothing that can't be done elsewhere in Canada . . .

Indeed, but the rest of Canada self selects into being industrial, agricultural and commodities, which is low rent in the information age.

Hewers of Wood & Drawers of Water.

The information economy congregates in Toronto, like an engine, Vancouver and Montreal as well, but those are really subsidiaries of the Toronto engine,

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2 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Indeed, but the rest of Canada self selects into being industrial, agricultural and commodities, which is low rent in the information age.

Maybe this is not what they selected but what was imposed on them by the central command.  You cannot apply for a job in most chain stores in BC unless you submit an application that goes to headquarters in Ontario and then they decide.  In some cases you have headquarters regulate the heating and nearly all other aspects of the sales environment in a retail store.

And again , as I said, leave those great thinkers / masterminds on their own without the resources and they will all collapse.   We can definitely produce thinkers of our own in BC; no reason why we cannot manage a country.

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1 minute ago, cougar said:

Maybe this is not what they selected but what was imposed on them by the central command. 

Well, the central command, otherwise known as the Eastern Elites, the Elite Consensus, or simply the Liberal Party of Canada (Deep State) does not so much impose, but rather incites Canadians to rally around them, by sowing fear, largely of the Americans, but also of market forces.

The purpose of this being that the entrenched interests in Canada are of the Industrial Age, the Information Age threatens their rule, so they rely on the state propaganda arms to raise Canadians on the Kool-Aid of the elites from a young age like mother's milk, thus Canadians spit the bit out anytime you try to lead them towards more freedom and autonomy from the nanny police state which functions as an iron curtain to keep the world markets and associated forces at bay.

Trying to keep them down on the farm,  lest they run off towards the lights of Pairee so to say.

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So, the dislocation you are feeling is the onset of this Information Age epoch, just like the dislocation of the Industrial Age sweeping aside the Agrarian Age.

The rising chaos is what is incited when you try to stand in the face of these inexorable Darwinian forces.

The Canadian nanny police states attempt to keep its Potemkin Village erected in the face of the storm, is now starting to tear the Confederation apart at the seams.

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3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

This whole country gets screwed by Quebec 6 ways from Sunday. They get half the money from "equalizaton" and they also get unfair trade advantages.

Now Trudeau is catering to them in his pre-election spending spree, as if they need more from the rest of the country.

The Liberals maintain their Elite Consensus rule by way of Quebec.

The Confederation works for the Liberals, because it becomes a dictatorship where they can never be voted out, because of Quebec,

You can't fix the Liberals self serving  constitutional changes  neither, because of Quebec.

But it's not Quebec who is at fault, Quebec is simply taking the money offered to them to not declare Independence.

It's a zombie legacy project.   The Confederation to keep the Americans out and the French in has already failed.

But the failure of it would be the end of the rule of the Eastern Elites

So there is no limit apparently as to how far they will go to prop it up, to include blatant in your face criminality and totalitarian censorship of dissent.

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