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This would be a party with a tangible, measurable, simple platform.
Persons would show up to vote for this.
Cut taxes by half.
No platitudes or vague promises.
Unfortunately politicians, for the most part, want to take the easy road of appearing beneficial rather than making tangible improvements.
In practice, money from taxes is allocated for projects that already exist and if a politician wants to fund their own project often the temptation to weasel in a new tax instead of risking the unpopular move of cutting a program is too great.
It should be a normal process in government to rank the effectiveness of its programs and improve what's working while obsolescing what isn't; not some scary idea.
Politicians could say things like:
"We're subsidizing sustainable energy because this makes sense for the people and for our budget; we think you'll be pleased"
"We're reforming educational institutions from being profit-seeking to giving our citizens the knowledge needed to improve our country and their lives instead of trying to squeeze outdated textbook ideas into modern life; we think you'll be pleased"
"We're disconnecting from a debt-based money system that requires ever increasing sacrifices from future generations and will give you more freedom to decide what to do with your life; we think you'll be pleased"
Oh how far is the ideal from our current government structure...
Even assuming you earn little money:

  • 15% federal income tax
  • 15% provincial income tax
  • 5% federal sales tax (they're double-dipping; you pay when money comes in and you pay when money goes out)
  • 6-10% provincial sales tax (they're double-dipping; you pay when money comes in and you pay when money goes out)
  • other taxes or fees (property taxes, etc.)

You do not get to use AT LEAST half the money you work hard at a job you probably do not like.
Your money is not your own.
You may have noticed police speed traps around.
This is what the money you're being taxed of is paying for: more surveillance and control; not better roads.
In other words: you pay taxes to be harrased and potentially have to pay more for speeding tickets.
You are paying for your entrapment.
Trim the fat!
Personally, I would like to turn things around before they get nasty.

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Cut taxes by half: nothing vague about that.
I'll reiterate for you things that I wrote and make clearer connections.

  • Remove income taxes: Boom! This possibility achieves the goal at once. Couple this with disconnecting from a debt-based money system and an enormous strain is alleviated from the national government. For those thinking about retirement pensions: I look forward to the ability to choose how to save my money.
  • Cut all tax types individually by half: This possibility is a more balanced approach. Controlling and penalizing institutions (digital speed readouts for road traffic, signs in the middles of crosswalks, financially incentivized stalking (e.g. speed traps), etc.) that could be replaced by personal responsibility could be cut heavily. Bureaucratic bloat could be cut heavily while modernizing government mechanisms. Subsidization of petroleum could be cut heavily while encouraging cleaner, more efficient energy sources.
  • Make taxation of persons voluntary instead of a one-size-fits-all approach (making it become funding): This possibility is a more intelligent approach. Persons would not be involuntarily paying for things they do not want. Here are some examples of how a person's funding of government could be customized. A person could opt-in to paying for health insurance; this would remove the current disincentive to being healthy. A person could choose to fund a new road near their house since it would benefit them or a person who prefers to walk could choose not to fund it. A person could choose to subscribe to a garbage pickup service or choose to handle their own garbage and spend money elsewhere, etc.

Part of the problem is that we citizens don't have the information about what things are costing and what presumably our taxes are paying for. If you provide specific costs of programs, then I'll provide specific ways I'd cut them.

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On 6/11/2019 at 8:31 AM, Michael Hardner said:

To someone opposed to vague promises, you offer few facts as to what would be cut 

I can give you a number of programs and agendas that Canadians can get rid of and save themselves hundreds of billions of tax dollars every year. But somehow I do not think that you would be to interested in hearing about them, eh? :D

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On 6/11/2019 at 5:50 AM, flaurora_sonora said:

This would be a party with a tangible, measurable, simple platform.
Persons would show up to vote for this.
Cut taxes by half.
No platitudes or vague promises.
Unfortunately politicians, for the most part, want to take the easy road of appearing beneficial rather than making tangible improvements.
In practice, money from taxes is allocated for projects that already exist and if a politician wants to fund their own project often the temptation to weasel in a new tax instead of risking the unpopular move of cutting a program is too great.
It should be a normal process in government to rank the effectiveness of its programs and improve what's working while obsolescing what isn't; not some scary idea.
Politicians could say things like:
"We're subsidizing sustainable energy because this makes sense for the people and for our budget; we think you'll be pleased"
"We're reforming educational institutions from being profit-seeking to giving our citizens the knowledge needed to improve our country and their lives instead of trying to squeeze outdated textbook ideas into modern life; we think you'll be pleased"
"We're disconnecting from a debt-based money system that requires ever increasing sacrifices from future generations and will give you more freedom to decide what to do with your life; we think you'll be pleased"
Oh how far is the ideal from our current government structure...
Even assuming you earn little money:

  • 15% federal income tax
  • 15% provincial income tax
  • 5% federal sales tax (they're double-dipping; you pay when money comes in and you pay when money goes out)
  • 6-10% provincial sales tax (they're double-dipping; you pay when money comes in and you pay when money goes out)
  • other taxes or fees (property taxes, etc.)

You do not get to use AT LEAST half the money you work hard at a job you probably do not like.
Your money is not your own.
You may have noticed police speed traps around.
This is what the money you're being taxed of is paying for: more surveillance and control; not better roads.
In other words: you pay taxes to be harrased and potentially have to pay more for speeding tickets.
You are paying for your entrapment.
Trim the fat!
Personally, I would like to turn things around before they get nasty.

First of all what is needed is for we the people is to stop listening to the lies and propaganda that the politicians and the leftist libmedia keep trying to feed us every day. They are not our friend but more like our enemy, and they are only there to create more government, more taxes and less freedom as there globalist elite masters demand of them to do against we the people. There are many, many leftist liberal programs and agendas that can be cut without doing any harm to the economy. 

Get rid of the debt based money system where private bankers are allowed to create our money, and collect interest on that money loaned to we the people, and give the creation of money back to we the people who can then create our own money for the many things that need to be done in Canada without having to pay international bankers interest anymore. 

The GST could be abolished for one by just getting rid of a few useless government outfits that do not help in anyway to make Canada great but instead keeps Canada and Canadians poor and broke. 

Indeed, I have noticed also that in many communities police radar traps are on the increase. I have seen speeds lowered from 80 km's to 60 km's for no reason at all except to make more money for the city. In those areas where the speeds were lowered the speed could have been increased with no harm being done. We the people are being forced to pay people to write us speeding tickets in speed zones where the MPH could be raised to help speed up traffic, not slow it down.

Why do we keep getting politicians who are always out to screw and control we the people, the people who pay their salaries? What or who gave them the right to control our behaviour anyway where it is not necessary to do so? There must be millions of laws and orders and rules and regulations and bylaws that monitor our every day lives every day. Some laws are good and needed but there are many laws that are not really needed. They are just there for control of we the people.  

The only way for things to turn around is for we the people to get off our lazy asses and get out there and get the government off our backs. We are over governed, over taxed, and are loosing our freedoms every day, and no one appears to give a dam. I could save hundreds of billions of tax dollars just by getting rid of so many useless government programs and agendas that we the people really do not need at all. Only a real and true conservative knows how to run a country properly. But for many decades now all we ever keep getting for politicians are politicians who only seem to want to implement more leftist liberal programs and agendas that is breaking the Canadian we the people's bank. My opinion. :)

 

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1 hour ago, flaurora_sonora said:

1. Cut taxes by half: nothing vague about that.

2. Part of the problem is that we citizens don't have the information about what things are costing and what presumably our taxes are paying for. If you provide specific costs of programs, then I'll provide specific ways I'd cut them.

1. Lots about what you'd cut. A big part of the post is the easy part.  But which programs would you cut ?

2. Ah, you don't know what you'd cut.  Ok, so you are dealing in libertarian fantasies.  Not that interesting, really.   

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Here are some emerging alternatives to taxation; let's use them!

There are now many crowdfunding sites online (gofundme, indiegogo, kickstarter, et cetera). This modern funding method allows more refined funding schemes than stealing from everyone and therefore interacting with a people (in the sense of a herd) rather than with persons (recognizing personal differences). Any government that does not acknowledge these differences is unrefined.

Laws are an approximation of how persons behave in society. While acknowledging they are approximate, we should nevertheless endeavor to have them accurately reflect social behavior. Laws are added far more easily than they are removed. This imbalance is a cause of much frustration. For a supperior alternative to the technology used by our legal system (500-year old printing press technology) look at how online game worlds manage their social spaces. League of Legends has a tribunal system where the players vote whether to punish behavior that has been reported by a player as undesired. Various MMORPGs are facing this issue also and experimenting with various ways of formalizing norms of social behavior. The community decides right then and there; not laws that were drafted in ignorance (or spite) of how society would develop in the future.

Cash is declining in popularity so that earning income tends to automatically mean that income is taxed (by the payment systems in use). At the same time, many jobs are emerging that are not automatically subject to income tax. Paypal's fee can be a more attractive option than the government's fee for use as an income earning management system. There are sites like freelancer.com and others who generally make finding specific types of jobs easier while asking a lower fee for their use.

kiva.org and other microlending is a way to put currency just sitting around in your bank account to use. It is worth considering the origin of the word currency (as an analogy to a flowing current of water) and noticing that water is useful when it is flowing and not when it is stagnant. Broadening this idea is another alternative funding method to taxation. It exists. It works. If banks are too greedy to lend without expecting a large return then persons can now take the matter into their own hands.

The people has to govern the governors, it seems. Saying it another way: if nobody submits to parasites, the parasites will have to adapt if they want to survive.

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On 6/12/2019 at 6:36 PM, Michael Hardner said:

1. Lots about what you'd cut. A big part of the post is the easy part.  But which programs would you cut ?

2. Ah, you don't know what you'd cut.  Ok, so you are dealing in libertarian fantasies.  Not that interesting, really.   

You appear to enjoy living in a liberal/socialist/communist fantasy land called Canada. Shocking indeed. :unsure:

 

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5 minutes ago, flaurora_sonora said:

Here are some emerging alternatives to taxation; let's use them!

There are now many crowdfunding sites online (gofundme, indiegogo, kickstarter, et cetera). This modern funding method allows more refined funding schemes than stealing from everyone and therefore interacting with a people (in the sense of a herd) rather than with persons (recognizing personal differences). Any government that does not acknowledge these differences is unrefined.

Laws are an approximation of how persons behave in society. While acknowledging they are approximate, we should nevertheless endeavor to have them accurately reflect social behavior. Laws are added far more easily than they are removed. This imbalance is a cause of much frustration. For a supperior alternative to the technology used by our legal system (500-year old printing press technology) look at how online game worlds manage their social spaces. League of Legends has a tribunal system where the players vote whether to punish behavior that has been reported by a player as undesired. Various MMORPGs are facing this issue also and experimenting with various ways of formalizing norms of social behavior. The community decides right then and there; not laws that were drafted in ignorance (or spite) of how society would develop in the future.

Cash is declining in popularity so that earning income tends to automatically mean that income is taxed (by the payment systems in use). At the same time, many jobs are emerging that are not automatically subject to income tax. Paypal's fee can be a more attractive option than the government's fee for use as an income earning management system. There are sites like freelancer.com and others who generally make finding specific types of jobs easier while asking a lower fee for their use.

kiva.org and other microlending is a way to put currency just sitting around in your bank account to use. It is worth considering the origin of the word currency (as an analogy to a flowing current of water) and noticing that water is useful when it is flowing and not when it is stagnant. Broadening this idea is another alternative funding method to taxation. It exists. It works. If banks are too greedy to lend without expecting a large return then persons can now take the matter into their own hands.

The people has to govern the governors, it seems. Saying it another way: if nobody submits to parasites, the parasites will have to adapt if they want to survive.

Here is what I would do to cut taxes: 

1. Bilingualism. Bilingualism has cost the Canadian economy and the Canadian taxpayer's in English Canada hundreds of billions if not a trillion in tax dollars to try and please french Quebec and bribe them to stay. And what did the English Canada get for all those tax dollars wasted? A unilingual french speaking only Quebec. 

2. Multiculturalism. By declaring that Canada is a multicultural country we have allowed others from foreign countries to take advantage of that program and agenda and now those foreigner people pretty much are being allowed and told to keep their own cultures, languages, traditions and religions and not become a Canadian anymore. All that is needed for them is to learn a little English to get by. Host Canadians will even pay them to learn English. What a deal, eh? The host Canadian people of Canada has lost billions in promoting and encouraging and paying people with other cultures to not bother to become real and true Canadians but hang on to their old culture. Multiculturalism divides cultures into tribes and causes division, not unites cultures into one culture. I see that happening already in Canada today. 

3. Foreign aid. Foreign aid has probably cost the Canadian taxpayer's trillions in tax dollars that have been sent to other countries over several decades now that cannot get their act together by trying to fix and solve their own corrupt or over birth problems. Enough already. There are Canadians in need that could have used that money instead, and not given away to a bunch of foreign strangers who did not deserve those tax dollars. 

4. Immigration. Massive immigration, legal and illegal, has cost the Canadian economy and the Canadian taxpayer's billions every year. Immigration has done nothing to help make Canada great at all. It has cost the Canadian economy hundreds of billions in tax dollars every year as many of these new legal and illegal immigrants are now on welfare. Canada needs a moratorium on immigration otherwise things will only get worse and keep Canada deep in international bankers debt. 

5. Minorities. Special interest minorities pretty much run and rule and are ruining this country now, and not the majority. We have minorities coming from some of those third world countries that are demanding that host western Canadians accept and pay for and allow them to have and keep their religious and traditional beliefs, values and ways of life alive in Canada. One religion gets to ride a motorcycle without helmets, while another religion wants prayer rooms in schools. These people are getting their way and laughing at host western Canadians every day in this country because we pretty much want to not be seen as being racist. What a joke and a farce this country has become. 

6. There are so many programs and agendas and bureaucracy that we can get rid of but what we need in Canada is a real and true leader who will say enough already. Canada could save hundreds of billions, if not trillions, of tax dollars every year if we would just get rid of the many useless and stupid liberal and socialists and communist programs and agendas that do nothing for Canada but continue to help make it stay broke and poor. Canada could be one of the most richest countries in the world but thanks to our dear puppet on a string political leaders that appear to want and keep Canada broke and poor. As an example, the GST could be gone today if we the people would get off their lazy asses and to start fighting for Canada and not the rest of the world and start ask the question as to what the hell our politicians are doing with the massive amounts of all the taxes that they keep stealing and wasting. 

Any comments on those mentioned above, flaurora? 

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15 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Ontario finally got off the govt. teat . . . . but, will still receive 960+ millions in transfer payments for 2018-2019.

Maybe the inner city sage can give us an eastern point of view . . . . again.

Why is there transfer payments made at all? Why take tax dollars away from the taxpayer's of all the provinces and handed to Ottawa and then give some of those tax dollars back to the provinces. The federal government should be taking what is needed to run this country, and nothing more, and leave the rest of those tax dollars with the provinces who could make good use of those extra tax dollars. There is just too much federal government intrusion and stealing going on by the federal government. Why are the people of Alberta being forced to hand their tax dollars over to another province? If the federal government would stop stealing tax dollars from the taxpayer's of all provinces and let the provinces keep more tax dollars in their province there would probably be no need to have transfer payments being done at all. The federal government is the problem, and is not the solution. Canadians need less federal government intrusion in their lives. The bigger the federal government becomes the more freedom and money we lose. I am pretty sure that the federal government can be cut in half and the country would still be able to carry on with no problems. What say you, NB? 

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On 6/12/2019 at 6:36 PM, Michael Hardner said:

1. Lots about what you'd cut. A big part of the post is the easy part.  But which programs would you cut ?

2. Ah, you don't know what you'd cut.  Ok, so you are dealing in libertarian fantasies.  Not that interesting, really.   

Personally, I do not think that you have any ideas at all as to how to try and make Canada great again. If you are able too, what would be some of the things that you would do to try and make Canada great? What programs would you cut? Just asking? 

 

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2 hours ago, taxme said:

Any comments on those mentioned above, flaurora?

1. Bilingualism: I agree that having official languages handled at the national level is wasteful and imprecise, especially in a country with the size and history of canada. Consider cases like the city of Gimli or ethnic enclaves like chinatowns in big cities; the government does not need to be involved, especially at such a broad scope. If a city or part of a city has a large proportion that uses a certain language then that area will naturally want to use that language on signs and such; no legislation necessary. Side note: I live in quebec and speak mainly english.

2. Multiculturalism: With communication being as easy as it is over the internet, a person's culture does not need to be geographically determined anymore. Of course, parts of a person's culture can still depend on location; a jamaican bobsled team (this was a movie!) or being a lumberjack in the desert will not go so well. Meanwhile other cultural limitations are lifted with greater ease of travel or communication; you can be interested in poetry or a great starcraft player from practically anywhere in the world. Overall, I agree that the government making rules to try to force this is a waste.

3. Foreign Aid: This is good in principle but so often drained or derailed by the middlemen. Unfortunately, many persons want to simply throw money at a problem rather than seeing it through. Even worse, those with money may only give charitably as a way to avoid taxes and not because of any desire to do good. Ultimately, the person giving is responsible for doing the research to determine that their efforts are not misused or corrupted. Giving money can often do more harm than good as it can create a dependancy on money rather than addressing the problem directly, which may be blankets or water, et cetera. Installing our own problematic currency systems elsewhere can be a form of economic warfare, which leads to the next point.

4. Immigration: Physical warfare isn't really cost-effective anymore (considering the world would learn about any sizeable aggressive action with the present day ease of reporting machinery (anybody with a cellphone can simply post something onto youtube) and there would be outcries to intervene). Also, Canada is cold ;p There are many alternative methods that have been used: economic warfare, cyber warfare, psychological warfare (mind control, for instance, through the media), information warfare, and more. Why physically attack someone when you can convince them to build a prison around themselves and pay for it out of their own pocket? In terms of a country encouraging immigration: it depends on the reason. Whether immigration is being encouraged to attract a cheaper labor force (and compete for the jobs of current citizens) or whether it is to attract talented thinkers who stimulate industry in the country are different scenarios. Citizens should, of course, have a say about such policies. I do think it's schizophrenic and financially wasteful to install tools to invade the privacy of those crossing something vaunted as an open border.

5. Minorities: I don't think it's the job of the government to encourage or punish being a minority. Everybody differs in many ways (too many to list). Some like certain books, some like certain foods, some like certain ideas. A variously skilled population provides a resilience. Again, I don't think it's the government's job to pay for (even less, to enforce) personal beliefs.

6. We have to stop waiting for others to fix our problems (this has not worked very well so far)! Nobody wants to rock the boat or see when it's sinking: this is a bad combination. Rising above a fearful survival-based way of thinking offers a greater perspective. I agree that to achieve this we must be skeptical of stories we're being told and verify them. Ignorance is bliss if it's not abused by others. Putting it another way: stupidity taxation has to end, one way or the other.

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20 hours ago, flaurora_sonora said:

1. Bilingualism: I agree that having official languages handled at the national level is wasteful and imprecise, especially in a country with the size and history of canada. Consider cases like the city of Gimli or ethnic enclaves like chinatowns in big cities; the government does not need to be involved, especially at such a broad scope. If a city or part of a city has a large proportion that uses a certain language then that area will naturally want to use that language on signs and such; no legislation necessary. Side note: I live in quebec and speak mainly english.

2. Multiculturalism: With communication being as easy as it is over the internet, a person's culture does not need to be geographically determined anymore. Of course, parts of a person's culture can still depend on location; a jamaican bobsled team (this was a movie!) or being a lumberjack in the desert will not go so well. Meanwhile other cultural limitations are lifted with greater ease of travel or communication; you can be interested in poetry or a great starcraft player from practically anywhere in the world. Overall, I agree that the government making rules to try to force this is a waste.

3. Foreign Aid: This is good in principle but so often drained or derailed by the middlemen. Unfortunately, many persons want to simply throw money at a problem rather than seeing it through. Even worse, those with money may only give charitably as a way to avoid taxes and not because of any desire to do good. Ultimately, the person giving is responsible for doing the research to determine that their efforts are not misused or corrupted. Giving money can often do more harm than good as it can create a dependancy on money rather than addressing the problem directly, which may be blankets or water, et cetera. Installing our own problematic currency systems elsewhere can be a form of economic warfare, which leads to the next point.

4. Immigration: Physical warfare isn't really cost-effective anymore (considering the world would learn about any sizeable aggressive action with the present day ease of reporting machinery (anybody with a cellphone can simply post something onto youtube) and there would be outcries to intervene). Also, Canada is cold ;p There are many alternative methods that have been used: economic warfare, cyber warfare, psychological warfare (mind control, for instance, through the media), information warfare, and more. Why physically attack someone when you can convince them to build a prison around themselves and pay for it out of their own pocket? In terms of a country encouraging immigration: it depends on the reason. Whether immigration is being encouraged to attract a cheaper labor force (and compete for the jobs of current citizens) or whether it is to attract talented thinkers who stimulate industry in the country are different scenarios. Citizens should, of course, have a say about such policies. I do think it's schizophrenic and financially wasteful to install tools to invade the privacy of those crossing something vaunted as an open border.

5. Minorities: I don't think it's the job of the government to encourage or punish being a minority. Everybody differs in many ways (too many to list). Some like certain books, some like certain foods, some like certain ideas. A variously skilled population provides a resilience. Again, I don't think it's the government's job to pay for (even less, to enforce) personal beliefs.

6. We have to stop waiting for others to fix our problems (this has not worked very well so far)! Nobody wants to rock the boat or see when it's sinking: this is a bad combination. Rising above a fearful survival-based way of thinking offers a greater perspective. I agree that to achieve this we must be skeptical of stories we're being told and verify them. Ignorance is bliss if it's not abused by others. Putting it another way: stupidity taxation has to end, one way or the other.

3. Most people think that when billionaires donate money to some cause or event they are doing so from the heart. Nothing could be further from the truth. They donate money because they can write it off in taxes and make themselves look like they give a crap. But yet there are so many people out there who think that those billionaires are such wonderful people for trying to help out. The average Joe and Mary six pack are clueless about how the world really turns. Aw well, what more can be said. 

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51 minutes ago, taxme said:

Most people think that when billionaires donate money to some cause or event they are doing so from the heart. Nothing could be further from the truth. They donate money because they can write it off in taxes and make themselves look like they give a crap. But yet there are so many people out there who think that those billionaires are such wonderful people for trying to help out. The average Joe and Mary six pack are clueless about how the world really turns. Aw well, what more can be said. 

March 28th, 2017 . . . . $75,000,000.-   St. Paul's Hospital, Vancouver 

May 30th, 2017 . . . . $50,000,000.-   Children's Hospital,  Saskatoon

Thank you Jim Pattison . . . .much appreciated !

Maybe you would rather Mr. Pattison payed the tax on the $125,000,000.-  and then the hospitals could suckhole to the federal/provincial governments for the needed funds. That would guarantee Jim Pattison would never ever donate a dime to anything . . . .

Why not let Mr. Pattison enjoy a tax break, and let St. Paul's and Children's Hospitals get the needed funds directly ?

Win - Win

 

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13 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Why not let Mr. Pattison enjoy a tax break, and let St. Paul's and Children's Hospitals get the needed funds directly ?

It's not an either/or situation.  Assuming we have something like a 'fair' tax system and adequate funding for our common service, then Mr. Pattison is a hero for donating his earnings.

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On 6/15/2019 at 12:00 PM, Nefarious Banana said:

March 28th, 2017 . . . . $75,000,000.-   St. Paul's Hospital, Vancouver 

May 30th, 2017 . . . . $50,000,000.-   Children's Hospital,  Saskatoon

Thank you Jim Pattison . . . .much appreciated !

Maybe you would rather Mr. Pattison payed the tax on the $125,000,000.-  and then the hospitals could suckhole to the federal/provincial governments for the needed funds. That would guarantee Jim Pattison would never ever donate a dime to anything . . . .

Why not let Mr. Pattison enjoy a tax break, and let St. Paul's and Children's Hospitals get the needed funds directly ?

Win - Win

 

If there were no write offs to be had, billionaires like Pattison would not donate a bloody cent to any charity or hospital. Do you honestly believe that people like Pattison really give a crap about what is good for we the people? Come on, wake up will you. It's all for tax write offs only. Hello out there. :rolleyes:

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2 hours ago, taxme said:

If there were no write offs to be had, billionaires like Pattison would not donate a bloody cent to any charity or hospital. Do you honestly believe that people like Pattison really give a crap about what is good for we the people? Come on, wake up will you. It's all for tax write offs only. Hello out there. :rolleyes:

Bottom line:  The hospitals got direct funding. 

You can make all the assumptions you like as to the reasons for the donations . . . who cares what you 'think'  . . . the hospitals got needed funding. Comprehend ?

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I rarely have anything positive to say about Canaderp these days, none the less, Canada is one of the best jurisdictions in the world for perfectly legal tax avoidance schemes.

A rare incidence wherein the feeble incompetence, corruption and stupidity of Canada does in fact serve the cause of freedom.

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10 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Do people know that tax write-offs don't mean you get the full donation back from the government ?

Probably not.  Most people don't know as much as they think they do.

We need to look carefully at what a charitable donation is in reality.

As you implied, it is NOT  a "tax writeoff:" where the money you give is taken directly from your personal or corporate tax payable, it is treated as an expense, somewhat different from buying a piece of equipment that could earn money, it is simply gone from your income (and it really IS gone from your income) and you don';t pay any income tax on that money that you simply did not receive - the charity got it.  The "advantage" to reducing income is that it costs you 3 to 4 times what it saves you.  Now, I am not any kind of business or accounting genius, but I DO know when I write that cheque, it is costing me (or Jimmy Pattison) a hell of a lot more than what I am "saving" on my tax bill.

There there is the "why" about doing so.   If I let the hospital get funded by giving my money to my tax bill, some of that will go to the Feds and some of it will go to the province, but the vast majority of it is going to end up paying interest on the debt racked up by greedy bastards trying to buy votes to get them  or give another $10mm to the next terrorist to murder a Yank.  The list of things governments do that have nothing to do with what they SHOULD be doing is endless, and it wouild be very unlikely that more than a tiny fraction of 1% of what I am giving will end up where I would like to see my money benefit my fellow citizen.

How anyone can see these kinds of generouis acts as anything other that exactly what they are - generous acts - is far beyond my ability to comprehend.

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2 hours ago, cannuck said:

 How anyone can see these kinds of generouis acts as anything other that exactly what they are - generous acts - is far beyond my ability to comprehend.

Yes, but from your post you are a clear-headed thinker who evaluates things on their own merits.  You're not a prejudiced fear-absorber who lacks perspective, which is the kinds of voters that these campaigns are mining these days.  Please, please speak up on social media when you see nonsense.  There are more reasonable people than kooks and others need to see that.

Back to the 1/2 taxes party - NO cutting multculturalism will not save 100s of millions in the budget, sorry.

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21 hours ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Bottom line:  The hospitals got direct funding. 

You can make all the assumptions you like as to the reasons for the donations . . . who cares what you 'think'  . . . the hospitals got needed funding. Comprehend ?

I get what you are saying here. Sure it helps hospitals, but as I said already, if there were no tax write offs to be had for Pattison do you really think that he would give one nickel to any charity or hospital? I don't think so. My opinion. 

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18 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Do people know that tax write-offs don't mean you get the full donation back from the government ?

Probably not.  Most people don't know as much as they think they do.

I know a lot more than what you think I know. Your problem is that you think you know more than anyone whom you disagree with knows. Incredible. :unsure:

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7 minutes ago, taxme said:

I get what you are saying here. Sure it helps hospitals, but as I said already, if there were no tax write offs to be had for Pattison do you really think that he would give one nickel to any charity or hospital? I don't think so. My opinion. 

Being personally acquainted with several of the donors who lead funding for the Children's Hospital in Saskatoon, I can tell you that yes, indeed, they would be donating with  or without the TINY tax benefit that is allowed for charitable donations.

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