California vote; give free healthcare to illegals

[Michael Hardner]

Horseshit.  People are prioritized according to their condition, not nationality.  That happens today with tourists, uninsured etc.

Your made up scenarios aren't even entertaining.

[taxme]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

That's what I love about these anti-immigrant posts.  When you come back with valid points they just come back with more nonsense, like saying Canada is Communist and implying we need to be a white Nation.

What are health costs for border crossers as a % of the budget again?  Less than .05% ?  Tens of millions of hundreds of billions.  Learn some math and quit expectorant people to blubber about non Whites Iike you do.

Why is it when someone posts something that makes total common sense and logic about our illegal immigration policy and mess they get to be called anti-immigrant? Canada does not need over 300,000 new immigrants nor the tens of thousands of legal and illegal refugees every year. Those illegals alone are costing the Canadian taxpayer's hundreds of billions of their tax dollars every year that is being blown on people who do not deserve it. The majority of Canadians never demanded that we allow in all of these tens of thousands of legal and illegal so called refugees that are being forced on them every year or the 300,000 either. The United Nations is doing this to Canada. Why is it always left up to people like you to decide as to who gets to come here to Canada? It is my country too, don't you know? Do I not have a right to my say also? Obviously not. Only leftist pro multicultural liberals get to have their say. All conservatives can just shut the hell up about and should not have a right to an opinion on refugees and immigration. A bunch of crock. Why did you have to throw racism around here again? Is that all that you have left to take me on with is call me a racist? It sure looks like it to me. Just saying. 

I wonder how much it is costing the white taxpayer's of California every year for all of those criminal illegals that are living in California today? Can you say billions? 

So, just what valid points do you have for all of this legal and illegal refugee nonsense that is going on today in Canada? Is it really needed or wanted by Canadians? Where or why or how is all of this massive immigration into Canada such a great thing. Please explain this to me because I would really like to know. Seriously. Go ahead, make your day if you can. 

 

[egghead]

58 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

That's what I love about these anti-immigrant posts.  When you come back with valid points they just come back with more nonsense, like saying Canada is Communist and implying we need to be a white Nation.

What are health costs for border crossers as a % of the budget again?  Less than .05% ?  Tens of millions of hundreds of billions.  Learn some math and quit expectorant people to blubber about non Whites Iike you do.

WE ARE NOT ANTI-IMMIGRANT; WE ARE ANTI-ILLEGAL-IMMIGRANT  

[Michael Hardner]

29 minutes ago, egghead said:

WE ARE NOT ANTI-IMMIGRANT; WE ARE ANTI-ILLEGAL-IMMIGRANT  

You're not all on the same page with that.  If you are rushing to defend taxme then read his posts first.

[jacee]

On 7/11/2019 at 2:06 PM, QuebecOverCanada said:

No sorry I don't respect rapists, murderers, criminals, and illegals.

I agree: Canadian companies operating in Honduras should not be allowed to use raping, murdering criminal actions against Indigenous people defending their territory from mining, nor to criminalize the Indigenous defender.

But Canada does allow Canadian companies to use violence in other countries. 

[jacee]

4 hours ago, scribblet said:

Seriously.

  in Canada the illegal border crossers are given free room and board in hotels.

Once they are here, they have temporary status as "refugee claimants" awaiting a decision on refugee status in Canada.

This is exactly the same way the law operates in any UN member country, many of whom have millions of people crossing their borders,  fleeing war, famine, drought, natural disasters, persecution, etc.

For a comfortable Canadian to moan for months about a paltry few entering Canada ... is just pathetically selfish and downright stupid. 

ARE YE DAFT, MAN?! 

[scribblet]

1 hour ago, jacee said:

Once they are here, they have temporary status as "refugee claimants" awaiting a decision on refugee status in Canada.

This is exactly the same way the law operates in any UN member country, many of whom have millions of people crossing their borders,  fleeing war, famine, drought, natural disasters, persecution, etc.

For a comfortable Canadian to moan for months about a paltry few entering Canada ... is just pathetically selfish and downright stupid. 

ARE YE DAFT, MAN?! 

Are you...    they are not refugees, they're illegals or if  prefer, irregular border crossers on track to costing us over a billion as of last October

[scribblet]

3 hours ago, egghead said:

WE ARE NOT ANTI-IMMIGRANT; WE ARE ANTI-ILLEGAL-IMMIGRANT  

Exactly but it suits the agenda to keep up their narrative

[Michael Hardner]

42 minutes ago, scribblet said:

Are you...    they are not refugees, they're illegals or if  prefer, irregular border crossers on track to costing us over a billion as of last October

Over 3 years, true.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-ottawa-on-pace-to-spend-400-million-next-year-on-border-crossings/

[jacee]

1 hour ago, scribblet said:

Are you...    they are not refugees, they're illegals or if  prefer, irregular border crossers on track to costing us over a billion as of last October

Well maybe hire more people to process them faster.

How much money do you think countries located next to war zones pay to support refugees?

Canadians complaining so mightily is pathetic nonsense ... or just racism. 

Gives the grumpies something to chew on I guess. Suddenly you all love regular refugees and immigrants!  Lol

Edited July 13, 2019 by jacee

[Michael Hardner]

10 hours ago, jacee said:

1. Canadians complaining so mightily is pathetic nonsense ... or just racism. 

2. Gives the grumpies something to chew on I guess. Suddenly you all love regular refugees and immigrants!  Lol

1. No, this is a controversy perpetuated by paid forces.  The initial rush, caused by Trudeau's virtue signalling tweet caused a problem which has since ebbed.  The forces of misinformation keep stoking it.

2. Don't forget homeless and seniors.  And vets.  As though Harper et Al had never cut back a program.

But, let's engage with these people, point them to articles on the budget and welcome them into a world of fact bases political discussion.

[scribblet]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. No, this is a controversy perpetuated by paid forces.  The initial rush, caused by Trudeau's virtue signalling tweet caused a problem which has since ebbed.  The forces of misinformation keep stoking it......

What 'paid forces'

Hundreds are still crossing illegally and sitting in hotels.   Meanwhile if there such a shortage of agricultural workers why not let the migrants in the hotels do the work, give them a temp work permit. 

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/new-immigration-pilot-will-offer-permanent-residency-to-migrant-farm-workers?fbclid=IwAR31q-KULIUZ75uVT9HSpd5hIUjg2yuBtz6pMbZ5RPrf5CWGW8rqPH6CNP0

 

 

[QuebecOverCanada]

33 minutes ago, scribblet said:

What 'paid forces'

Hundreds are still crossing illegally and sitting in hotels.   Meanwhile if there such a shortage of agricultural workers why not let the migrants in the hotels do the work, give them a temp work permit. 

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/new-immigration-pilot-will-offer-permanent-residency-to-migrant-farm-workers?fbclid=IwAR31q-KULIUZ75uVT9HSpd5hIUjg2yuBtz6pMbZ5RPrf5CWGW8rqPH6CNP0

 

 

How about we let the wages grow and make it so employers do an actual effort to recruit employees, rather than having an underclass immigrant/slave workers who cut wages of normal people?

[Michael Hardner]

45 minutes ago, scribblet said:

What 'paid forces'

Social Media teams paid to sow division and exaggerate the scale of the problem.

[scribblet]

3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Social Media teams paid to sow division and exaggerate the scale of the problem.

Teams?    Do you mean third parties such as scummy North99 and Engage Canada?   Or maybe the anti pipeline activists groups funded by foreign interests?  Otherwise groups that individuals set up are not paid, they are just people fed up with whatever side.

No one has offered to pay me, how do I get on the payroll   :)-

Edited July 13, 2019 by scribblet

[Michael Hardner]

10 minutes ago, scribblet said:

Teams?    Do you mean third parties such as scummy North99 and Engage Canada?   

Yes but the immigrant hating ones.

Do you think they're scummy because you don't like their opinions or their methods?

[scribblet]

Just now, Michael Hardner said:

Yes but the immigrant hating ones.

Do you think they're scummy because you don't like their opinions or their methods?

Both, not so much opinions as they are entitled to that, it's their deceptive memes. 

[Michael Hardner]

27 minutes ago, scribblet said:

Both, not so much opinions as they are entitled to that, it's their deceptive memes. 

Ok, then join me and we'll counter with facts from accredited sources.  I post corrections to North 99 too, so you should do it for Ontario Proud, Canada Proud, The Rebel etc.

Let's do it.

[jacee]

8 hours ago, scribblet said:

What 'paid forces'

Hundreds are still crossing illegally and sitting in hotels.   Meanwhile if there such a shortage of agricultural workers why not let the migrants in the hotels do the work, give them a temp work permit. 

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/new-immigration-pilot-will-offer-permanent-residency-to-migrant-farm-workers?fbclid=IwAR31q-KULIUZ75uVT9HSpd5hIUjg2yuBtz6pMbZ5RPrf5CWGW8rqPH6CNP0

 

I posted that in the Migrants thread, where I also noted that in the article it says that some farmers are approaching refugee groups offering them work. 

If you want to know why we still have irregular border crossers, the answer is ... Trump and ... Trump.

Trump is deporting everyone he can. First he threatened to cancel visas from certain countries, sending people scurrying to the Canadian border. 

Second, he refuses to cooperate with Canada in revising the 'Third country agreement' so they can apply at our regular border crossings. 

Under the terms of the agreement, an asylum seeker must make their claim in the first safe country they arrive in. That means that Canada and the U.S. will not consider applications from individuals who had the opportunity to make a claim in the other country first.

But that provision only applies to asylum seekers who try to make their claim at official points of entry.

That means anyone crossing into Canada at an unofficial point of entry from the U.S. (or vice versa) can make a claim for asylum that would normally be rejected if they had tried to do so at an official border crossing.

As Global News reported last year, Canadian officials recognize that the agreement is “no longer working as intended” but have encountered difficulty in trying to get the anti-immigrant Trump administration to open talks on fixing the loophole.

I note that irregular border crossings have dropped to half of what they were last year.

https://globalnews.ca/news/5425884/canada-irregular-border-crossings-decrease-by-half/

It just isn't the huge problem that some people try to make it.

It is a 'problem' created and sustained by racism, and I agree with Michael that there are social media forces working to sustain the rage of racists, and the fears of the feeble. 

Edited July 13, 2019 by jacee

[scribblet]

26 minutes ago, jacee said:

I posted that in the Migrants thread, where I also noted that in the article it says that some farmers are approaching refugee groups offering them work. 

If you want to know why we still have irregular border crossers, the answer is ... Trump and ... Trump.

Trump is deporting everyone he can

It is a 'problem' created and sustained by racism, and I agree with Michael that there are social media forces working to sustain the rage of racists, and the fears of the feeble. 

Not so, liberals see a racist under every bed, just a narrative to stifle discussion.

Trump is deporting those who have allready received orders to go

 

[jacee]

8 hours ago, scribblet said:

Teams?    Do you mean third parties such as scummy North99 and Engage Canada?   Or maybe the anti pipeline activists groups funded by foreign interests?  Otherwise groups that individuals set up are not paid, they are just people fed up with whatever side.

No one has offered to pay me, how do I get on the payroll   :)-

You're on the list of targets for their campaigns, and then you work for them for free!  Lol 

I cancelled North99 because they sent out memes with no verification of facts. 

I don't make it onto right-wing lists, but occasionally see stuff circulated by other people: memes or photos with no explanation, no link, no validation ... just some white supremacist nonsense scaring people unnecessarily. 

Some of the people I know who circulate anti-Muslim garbage are decent people who would be the first to welcome a Muslim family to their communities with kindness and help. They just have never met one and they're politically manipulated into fearing the unknown. 

Don't let the memes get to you. They're fake. You're just being manipulated for someone's personal or political gain. 

Edited July 13, 2019 by jacee

[scribblet]

Agree with most except the crap about scheer. 

[jacee]

40 minutes ago, scribblet said:

Agree with most except the crap about scheer. 

Ok, I'll take that back. Lol

More accurately, I would say that it's the only thing that distinguishes Liberals and Conservatives ... neither of which I like ... and it's a fake and paltry difference for political gain only: Immigration numbers don't vary much regardless which is in power. Any PM can get hit with a wave of refugees from a new US 'war' (= takeover of resources). 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, jacee said:

It just isn't the huge problem that some people try to make it.

It is a 'problem' created and sustained by racism, and I agree with Michael that there are social media forces working to sustain the rage of racists, and the fears of the feeble. 

The real problem are the feeble fearful, the bulk of the conservative side of the great unwashed otherwise known as the governed.

The forces working to maintain that feeble fearfulness are of course the rich and powerful - who probably work just as hard to keep our government just as feeble and fearful too.  Feeble for sure.

[jacee]

1 hour ago, scribblet said:

1Not so, liberals see a racist under every bed, just a narrative to stifle discussion.

2Trump is deporting those who have allready received orders to go

1 Racists are bolder and more obvious now. Trump has enabled them. Maybe you don't see them because you're not a target. 

4chan Hate speech up 40% since 2015. 

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/d3nbzy/we-analyzed-more-than-1-million-comments-on-4chan-hate-speech-there-has-spiked-by-40-since-2015?utm_source=vicenewscafbca&utm_campaign=global

2 I'm not sure where that stands now, whether he revoked temporary visas or not. Nonetheless, their application for asylum here may not depend on that, but on the credibility of the reason they don't feel safe returning to their home country.