California vote; give free healthcare to illegals

[Michael Hardner]

8 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

Streets littered with human excrements, needles, homeless tents everywhere, but at least they're morally superior by giving to foreigners their hard earned money, taxed heavily by the State.

You really seem to be bothered by a basic act of charity.  Don't you feel it is natural and good to help people?

[GostHacked]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

You really seem to be bothered by a basic act of charity.  Don't you feel it is natural and good to help people?

Whatever is going on in California will be exacerbated with the amount of illegals crossing into the USA. People are sleeping in the streets, how do you expect to help illegals if they cannot even help their own?

[jacee]

13 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

Whatever is going on in California will be exacerbated with the amount of illegals crossing into the USA. People are sleeping in the streets, how do you expect to help illegals if they cannot even help their own?

"Cannot" isn't the problem.

[Michael Hardner]

16 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

Whatever is going on in California will be exacerbated with the amount of illegals crossing into the USA. People are sleeping in the streets, how do you expect to help illegals if they cannot even help their own?

It's another false choice.  They do provide healthcare to their own.

[Michael Hardner]

Just did some research to assess the scale of this.  It's roughly the amount of aid the Harper government gave to CHINA every year. 

[GostHacked]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

It's another false choice.  They do provide healthcare to their own.

This is not a false choice scenario. 

It would be like you not being able to afford the basics for your family, while at the same time you are trying to support others that are not your family.

https://www.chcf.org/publication/us-health-care-spending-who-pays/

It's mostly privately offered health care. Meaning those sleeping in the streets are most likely not going to get the care they need because they don't have a medical plan.

[Michael Hardner]

28 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

This is not a false choice scenario. 

It is, because they can afford both.  They don't have to choose.

[egghead]

6 hours ago, jacee said:

All humans deserve respect.

Many Canadian families arrived here as refugees.

Fleeing as refugees does not make people criminals.

Ya, you are damn right  Having said that, pretending to be refugee to take advantage of the system shall be a criminal offense 

[GostHacked]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

It is, because they can afford both.  They don't have to choose.

People sleeping in the streets can afford private health insurance?

[Michael Hardner]

15 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

People sleeping in the streets can afford private health insurance?

They can provide them with services they need.  

[jacee]

4 hours ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

No

You're a disgusting human if you respect everyone.

Everyone deserves the respect of care for basic human needs. The US in general, I find, does not always offer that respect, especially in these Trump years,  because of their focus on 'every man for himself', 'pulling yourself up by the bootstraps', 'survival of the fittest' and such inhuman nonsense.  They're letting children die in detention down there, ffs!! 

Greedy, selfish and manipulative narcissists/sociopaths get my respect only long enough to remove myself. Lol And they're usually the ones who wish more suffering on people who are already struggling to survive. I don't respect that. 

I do believe that people desperate enough to flee their own country in difficult circumstances deserve respect. My ancestors fled famine in Ireland on the "coffin ships", where half of the people died in transit, and the rests were treated vety inhumanely on arrival. 

When tempted to mutter madly at refugees/undocumented people, It's always good to remember your ancestors who struggled similarly, or your privilege that you don't have to. 

It's also good to remember that many of the (mostly Indigenous) people fleeing Central America are fleeing the land theft, environmental damage and violent oppression that results from Canadian and US corporate invasion of their countries.

In fairness, Canada should be taking most of the Honduran refugees who are in US detention, because 70% of the mining operations there are Canadian owned and viable only because of an oppressive and violent regime (fraudulently 'elected') that Canada's government funds and supports. Canadian 'snowbirds' are also invading, buying cheap Indigenous land, without compensation for the Indigenous peoples who are pushed out. 

Ashamed to be Canadian:

Corruption, Fear, Humiliation and Militarization in Honduras
by Janet Spring, mother-in-law of Honduran political prisoner Edwin Espinal

https://simcoecountyhondurasrightsmonitor.wordpress.com/2019/06/06/honduras-human-rights-political-prisoners/

As I visit this community, I am embarrassed and ashamed to be Canadian as corrupt Canadian investors have given Canada a bad name.

Edited July 10, 2019 by jacee

[taxme]

19 hours ago, egghead said:

Illegals are helping them right now. They are the heads count for the seats. That is why dems do not want the citizenship question in the census. Healthcare is just the Incentive. BTW,

 

Trump is right. The citizenship question should be in the census. The demoncrats will do anything to destroy America. Even if it means flooding millions upon millions of illegal immigrants into America and changing the whole western culture of America. The democrats appear to be nothing more than a bunch of American haters and traitors to America.

It's unfortunate for this man but if he were allowed to stay in America he will be costing the American taxpayer's plenty of their own tax dollars to take care of this guy for no doubt the rest of his life. How many more are like him out there will try and do this? A tough question to try and resolve.

I thought that the Mexican government has posted thousands of Mexican soldiers on the American/Mexican border to stop people like him from entering America? How did this guy get by them? Are the soldiers really doing their jobs of border enforcement? It certainly looks like they may not be doing their job. Or maybe they all go on a taco break at the same time, maybe? 

[taxme]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Just did some research to assess the scale of this.  It's roughly the amount of aid the Harper government gave to CHINA every year. 

What kinds of aid did Harper give to the Chinese communists? This I would like to know. Any proof of this? Just asking. 

Why would any country give money to China when they have a huge military anyway? If China is having money problems, well then, maybe it is time for them to downsize their military just a bit. For Canada to be given China any of our Canadian tax dollars should be considered a crime of theft of the Canadian taxpayer's tax dollars. I am totally against this crime. Shocking. 

[taxme]

3 hours ago, GostHacked said:

People sleeping in the streets can afford private health insurance?

How can anyone sleeping on the streets afford anything? I don't understand? 

[Michael Hardner]

7 minutes ago, taxme said:

1. What kinds of aid did Harper give to the Chinese communists? This I would like to know. Any proof of this? Just asking. 

2. For Canada to be given China any of our Canadian tax dollars should be considered a crime of theft of the Canadian taxpayer's tax dollars. I am totally against this crime. Shocking. 

https://www.macleans.ca/politics/china-is-no-friend-to-canada/

1. " Not until 2013 did it dawn on the Foreign Affairs department that China had become the world’s second-largest economy. Over its final 12 years, Canada’s aid package to China had cost Canadian taxpayers nearly a billion dollars. "

2. That was Harper.

[GostHacked]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

They can provide them with services they need.  

I agree it CAN be done ..  why has it not been done?

[Shady]

11 hours ago, jacee said:

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/refugees/help-within-canada/health-care/interim-federal-health-program/coverage-summary.html

"Refugee claimants" who are in Canada waiting a year or more to have their claim for refugee status heard, are given basic health care through a federal program similar to what welfare recipients get. 

We don't let people suffer or die in Canada without some health care services.

This isn't Trump land. 

You're still not understanding.  Refugee claimants are have legal status, even though it's only temporary.  There are people illegally in Canada and the United States that are not refugee claimants, they have no access to health care benefits, other than possibly being treated in emergency rooms.  That applies to Canada as well as the United States.  

[Shady]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

It is, because they can afford both.  They don't have to choose.

California is in massive debt. 

[Shady]

20 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

https://www.macleans.ca/politics/china-is-no-friend-to-canada/

1. " Not until 2013 did it dawn on the Foreign Affairs department that China had become the world’s second-largest economy. Over its final 12 years, Canada’s aid package to China had cost Canadian taxpayers nearly a billion dollars. "

2. That was Harper.

So because something was done wrong in the past, more things should be done wrong now?  Pathetic argument.  

[taxme]

40 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

https://www.macleans.ca/politics/china-is-no-friend-to-canada/

1. " Not until 2013 did it dawn on the Foreign Affairs department that China had become the world’s second-largest economy. Over its final 12 years, Canada’s aid package to China had cost Canadian taxpayers nearly a billion dollars. "

2. That was Harper.

A billion Canadian tax dollars given to a communist regime by any Canadian politician is a traitorous act as far as I am concerned. Awatse of taxpayer's tax dollars that could have been better spent in Canada for Canada and Canadians. Even if Harper did it he should never have done it. All of our dear leaders always try to convince we the sheeple that we all live in a free and open democratic society. Today, we the Canadian sheeple do not live in a real and true democratic society. We are fast losing our freedoms in Canada. The recent takeover of the Canadian media by King Trudeau says it all. Geez, the Chinese communist party owns their media. No freedom of the press there.

Can no one see here the direction Canada is going in yet? I dread the very thought of King Trudeau being reelected in the next election for another four more years of dictatorship. I am smoking plenty of Hopium these days in the hopes that does not happen. If it does you an me and thee are in for some rough tough days ahead unless one his a communist supporter. Forums like this one could be considered a threat to the government and be shut down. Trudeau does not like forums like this one where we the people are still allowed to express our Charter of Rights freedom of expression. Hey, you never know, eh? 

Anyway, California is in one hell of a chit hole mess and the leftist liberal governments of California are trying to make it even worse by giving aid and comfort to the enemy the illegals entering America illegally. The leftist liberal communist government of California must go or else California will indeed have to declare bankruptcy. How can that not happen? Eventually, the tax dollars that are being stolen from the California taxpayer's will run out and will not be there anymore. Communists do not understand this and think that the taxpayer's tax dollars will always be there for them to steal from and blow. Communists do not have a problem with spending other people's money. It's just a communist thing to do. 

Edited July 10, 2019 by taxme

[Michael Hardner]

4 hours ago, GostHacked said:

I agree it CAN be done ..  why has it not been done?

See: Politics.

[Michael Hardner]

4 hours ago, Shady said:

So because something was done wrong in the past, more things should be done wrong now?  Pathetic argument.  

I didn't say that either one was wrong, just pointing out that the sums are small enough to be in missed, even by China-hating Harper fans.

Now if you have a MORAL problem with helping refugees (legal or otherwise) I have no argument for you.  I'm happy to pitch in my $3.50 though.  The pipeline we bought for Alberta cost fifty times that.

[Michael Hardner]

4 hours ago, Shady said:

California is in massive debt. 

Mmhmm.  Austerity and tax cuts, we have heard it before.

[egghead]

5 hours ago, Shady said:

California is in massive debt. 

They put money into the California Rainy Day Fund

 

[QuebecOverCanada]

On 7/10/2019 at 1:07 PM, jacee said:

Everyone deserves the respect of care for basic human needs. The US in general, I find, does not always offer that respect, especially in these Trump years,  because of their focus on 'every man for himself', 'pulling yourself up by the bootstraps', 'survival of the fittest' and such inhuman nonsense.  They're letting children die in detention down there, ffs!! 

Greedy, selfish and manipulative narcissists/sociopaths get my respect only long enough to remove myself. Lol And they're usually the ones who wish more suffering on people who are already struggling to survive. I don't respect that. 

I do believe that people desperate enough to flee their own country in difficult circumstances deserve respect. My ancestors fled famine in Ireland on the "coffin ships", where half of the people died in transit, and the rests were treated vety inhumanely on arrival. 

When tempted to mutter madly at refugees/undocumented people, It's always good to remember your ancestors who struggled similarly, or your privilege that you don't have to. 

It's also good to remember that many of the (mostly Indigenous) people fleeing Central America are fleeing the land theft, environmental damage and violent oppression that results from Canadian and US corporate invasion of their countries.

In fairness, Canada should be taking most of the Honduran refugees who are in US detention, because 70% of the mining operations there are Canadian owned and viable only because of an oppressive and violent regime (fraudulently 'elected') that Canada's government funds and supports. Canadian 'snowbirds' are also invading, buying cheap Indigenous land, without compensation for the Indigenous peoples who are pushed out. 

Ashamed to be Canadian:

Corruption, Fear, Humiliation and Militarization in Honduras
by Janet Spring, mother-in-law of Honduran political prisoner Edwin Espinal

https://simcoecountyhondurasrightsmonitor.wordpress.com/2019/06/06/honduras-human-rights-political-prisoners/

As I visit this community, I am embarrassed and ashamed to be Canadian as corrupt Canadian investors have given Canada a bad name.

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The most boring, moralizing segment I've ever read.

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No sorry I don't respect rapists, murderers, criminals, and illegals.