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54 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Interesting.   Do you like Russians or no?

I have nothing against them; Russians, Germans, French, Norwegians, Macedonians.....but I do have a bit of a grudge against the British for messing up the World.  Civilizing it, as they would see it, but trying to exploit other territories and expand their empire, as I see it.

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13 minutes ago, cougar said:

I have nothing against them; Russians, Germans, French, Norwegians, Macedonians.....but I do have a bit of a grudge against the British for messing up the World.  Civilizing it, as they would see it, but trying to exploit other territories and expand their empire, as I see it.

What is your opinion of Canadian military operations in the Balkans in the 1990's?  UNPROFOR in Croatia and Bosnia, NATO in Kosovo?

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1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

What is your opinion of Canadian military operations in the Balkans in the 1990's?  UNPROFOR in Croatia and Bosnia, NATO in Kosovo?

 

1 hour ago, cougar said:

I have nothing against them; Russians, Germans, French, Norwegians, Macedonians.....but I do have a bit of a grudge against the British for messing up the World.  Civilizing it, as they would see it, but trying to exploit other territories and expand their empire, as I see it.

Be grateful for Britain, the country that expanded democracy and advanced civilization more than any country before it.  USA, Canada, France, Europe, Australia, and to some extent India (the largest democracy) derived from the Brits, Rome’s version of the US.  Both the US and Britain began as outpost new frontiers of the empire.  Same goes for all the British colonies.  If you wish to dump on Britain, for all its colonial mistakes, you’re essentially dumping on your own modern civilization.  I won’t do it.

I think we have to work to fix what we have.  There’s no sense in judging the past with modern eyes.  The past is gone.  Now it’s about capitalist,  liberal democratic networks with minimal environmental footprints.  Democracy has to be both local and international.  Exceptionalism should only happen in extreme cases because essentially with data being so widely available to most people everywhere, in the global village Information Age market of ideas, the best systems of managing civilization will all be obvious and immediate.  This is the electric environment.  

Left and right are two sides of the same coin and we flicker back and forth on a constant dialectic corrective course.  Not to get philosophical, but all of this was predicted by Hegel 200 years ago.  We’re in a cultural end-directed dialect.  The good news is that we do basically progress, and civilization doesn’t usually give up ts gains for very long. Nevertheless we must protect free liberal democracy or we may very well lose our civilization. The threats are things like climate change, mass migration, and fascism.  The Holocaust happened in the modern industrial world   

Work is being turned over to robots.  We’re moving towards simply an economy of ideas.  I do wonder what a world of low paid unemployed citizens on guaranteed basic income would look like. People should feel productive and feel they can have their own homes, the best education and health, and the ability to enjoy the creative works of the society.  That requires a decent income. The best governments understand the importance of providing this lifestyle to as many people as possible.  

So how do you create/maintain that society and how do you do it in an environmentally responsible way? That’s basically where we are, without the left and right arguing over solutions.  Interestingly, some positions have changed sides.  The conservatives used to be the environmental stewards.  No one can deny the importance of the environment.  The question is what is worth protecting and how do we do it?  How much are people willing to give up?  Do we really need to give very much up or will technology save us?

Also, Canada was good in Croatia and Bosnia.   It was important work that prevented atrocities.  

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2 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

What is your opinion of Canadian military operations in the Balkans in the 1990's?  UNPROFOR in Croatia and Bosnia, NATO in Kosovo?

This question should be answered by a Croatian or Bosnian.  My opinion would be based on hearsay, so it is not an opinion but rather a gut feeling.

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1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

Work is being turned over to robots.  We’re moving towards simply an economy of ideas.  I do wonder what a world of low paid unemployed citizens on guaranteed basic income would look like. People should feel productive and feel they can have their own homes, the best education and health, and the ability to enjoy the creative works of the society.  That requires a decent income. The best governments understand the importance of providing this lifestyle to as many people as possible.  

So how do you create/maintain that society and how do you do it in an environmentally responsible way? That’s basically where we are, without the left and right arguing over solutions.  Interestingly, some positions have changed sides.  The conservatives used to be the environmental stewards.  No one can deny the importance of the environment.  The question is what is worth protecting and how do we do it?  How much are people willing to give up?  Do we really need to give very much up or will technology save us?

Also, Canada was good in Croatia and Bosnia.   It was important work that prevented atrocities.  

It would be nice to have an economy of ideas, but we live in a material world.  It is about taking from the environment, buying, consuming and then disposing of those mountains of waste at a dump or, in many cases, where our eyes can see and deem fit.

Conservatives will never get my trust for protecting the environment after Harper.  The reality is that economy expansion and environment protection are incompatible.  This country has pushed for a population increase since at least the mid 80's, most likely much earlier.  300,000 people/year is a large sized city that has to be built somewhere in Canada every year, at the expense of the environment and wildlife that were there before.

For as long as this practice continues, we cannot speak about environment protection.   Our government cannot even pick the low lying fruit in the form of phasing out those big 4x4 trucks, boats, snowmobiles, dirt bikes that are unnecessary toys used by entitled individuals with no regard for their carbon footprint or for anybody else around them.  There is a lot that can be done, unfortunately all that IS done goes against the grain of conservation.

And since this country is run by people having names like Kenney or McKenna or other Ken;'s and Mac's this leaves the issues at the hands of the Queen; those appear to be her descendants and servants.

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12 minutes ago, cougar said:

.   Our government cannot even pick the low lying fruit in the form of phasing out those big 4x4 trucks, boats, snowmobiles, dirt bikes that are unnecessary toys used by entitled individuals with no regard for their carbon footprint or for anybody else around them. 

Go back to Bulgaria, you f**kin Commie.

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1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

I drive my Chevy pickup truck to the corner store which is only a hundred meters away, just you try and stop me, Bulgar.

I knew you were doing that.  You are also doing donuts on the roads burning your tires for fun.   If I do not stop you Nature will do that for me.

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12 hours ago, cougar said:

It would be nice to have an economy of ideas, but we live in a material world.  It is about taking from the environment, buying, consuming and then disposing of those mountains of waste at a dump or, in many cases, where our eyes can see and deem fit.

Conservatives will never get my trust for protecting the environment after Harper.  The reality is that economy expansion and environment protection are incompatible.  This country has pushed for a population increase since at least the mid 80's, most likely much earlier.  300,000 people/year is a large sized city that has to be built somewhere in Canada every year, at the expense of the environment and wildlife that were there before.

For as long as this practice continues, we cannot speak about environment protection.   Our government cannot even pick the low lying fruit in the form of phasing out those big 4x4 trucks, boats, snowmobiles, dirt bikes that are unnecessary toys used by entitled individuals with no regard for their carbon footprint or for anybody else around them.  There is a lot that can be done, unfortunately all that IS done goes against the grain of conservation.

And since this country is run by people having names like Kenney or McKenna or other Ken;'s and Mac's this leaves the issues at the hands of the Queen; those appear to be her descendants and servants.

I can only think that you don’t function in that real material world.  Not everyone has 4x4’s and pickups for recreation.  If you’re a farmer or you live in rural Canada those vehicles are important for your survival on roads that might not be cleared much in winter.  I find it sad how little you appreciate what you have in Canada from the people who built this country.  The Royal Engineers surveyed and built the early roads.  The railway and industry laid out the transportation networks and employed people.  My guess is you’re a taker who bites the hand that feeds her.  A lot of that going around these days, taking and criticizing without contributing.  

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22 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Britain is not a country, Britain is an Empire, and the vast vast majority of its subjects were not from the United Kingdom, in fact Hindus in the Raj were the majority in the British Empire, after them, the Chinese in the Far East.

I actually think the Hong Kong Chinese are far more British than you, you seem to me to have been totally Americanized.

West Indians are more British than you, East Indians are more British than you, you have adopted an American racialized doctrine from the 19th century.

How does people born in Hong Kong, the West Indians, East Indians or Hindus makes them more British and me less British? I was born and raised in pretty much a British country called Canada, not America, which now is pretty much no more a British WASP country. It is more like living in Hong Kong or Pakistan these days especially living here in BC. 

Indeed Canadians are more Americanized because they are our neighbor and we like every thing about America. America is full of ex Canadians living there. America is a fun place to visit. Canadians visit America by the hundreds of thousands every year. But besides that, I think that we should get back to the topic at hand, eh?

Panda bears in the wild outnumber white supremacists in Canada and the military. White supremacists only exist in the minds of leftist liberal minded people who think that there are white supremacists by the hundreds of thousands everywhere in Canada. The Canadian leftist liberal zionist media has planted that nonsense in their pea brain sized heads that anyone who calls themselves a patriotic proud boy nationalist is a racist white supremacist. As you have said many times already. This country has become a country full of clueless people. Just saying. 

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3 minutes ago, taxme said:

How does people born in Hong Kong  makes them more British and me less British?

Because Hong Kong was actually set up by the British to be an economic experiment, Hong Kong would be run by the rule of Adam Smith's theories to see if they worked.

So they did work and Hong Kong is just a rock with no resources, yet it is richer per capita than Canada is.

The British themselves however went socialist, so now the UK is practically Bolshevist, whereas the Hong Kong Chinese ran things like a Britain of yore which doesn't exist anymore.

I say ran things, because they're losing their independence now, the PRC is moving and taking over slowly but surely.

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16 hours ago, cougar said:

I have nothing against them; Russians, Germans, French, Norwegians, Macedonians.....but I do have a bit of a grudge against the British for messing up the World.  Civilizing it, as they would see it, but trying to exploit other territories and expand their empire, as I see it.

I have no fear of Putin or Russia. It is not Russia that is invading other countries like America seems to be always doing. You are part of and living in a country that was founded by the British empire, and no doubt have no problem with that fact, eh? If that bothers you then go live in some non British country like Italy or Germany or Thailand. At least the British did something with this country called Canada. Before that Canada was nothing but brush and trees and full of Indians who always had tribal wars among themselves and went about trying to kill each other all the time. But thanks to the British dropping by they stopped that barbaric practice for good. At least we helped them get over that killing practice. We tried to civilize them, but so far it has not worked all the well after all these centuries. Just saying. 

So, back to the topic. Just how many white supremacists do you think are running around in Canada and the Canadian military these days? A dozen or two maybe? You tell me. 

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2 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Here, Friedman can explain it better than I can;

 

Nice video but I doubt that we will ever see that happen in Canada. With a bloated socialist bureaucracy, hight taxes, big government with too many rules and regulation and red tape, too many to  count, Canadians will never get to see what their potential that they should be having. And the commies here in Canada do not want to see or have this kind of prosperity and wealth for Canada or Canadians that we see happening in Hong Kong. We have selfish leftist liberal politicians and minority special interest elites who want to keep and have Canada all for themselves and dam we the people. This country should be such a wealthy nation and full of rich people but it is not. We the people are all in huge debt because we have had greedy elite leaders who do not care about Canada or Canadians.

The free enterprise system has been locked up and been chained in the Canadian gulag jail for decades now. Our lousy Canadian dollar(peso)tells me that there is something wrong with this Canadian picture. White supremacy is supposed to be the biggest threat and main concern in Canada today? What a joke.  

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12 minutes ago, taxme said:

Nice video but I doubt that we will ever see that happen in Canada.

Yes, well, this is why I am forced to be a disaster capitalist.

I would prefer Milton Friedman's Hong Kong, but I do play the cards as they are dealt, so the Big Short is the name of the game in this age of extreme leverage-nomics.

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13 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

 My guess is you’re a taker who bites the hand that feeds her.  A lot of that going around these days, taking and criticizing without contributing.  

My guess is that when people run out of arguments they start foaming at the mouth and begin throwing insults.

It would be nice to live on EI, social, disability or another government program.  Unfortunately I have to work for my money.  Where does money come from?  It comes from the same environment.  Someone has to take from it, sell it, and then keep the proceeds to himself less what he owes those that helped him in the process.  So by working, I too contribute to the growth of capitalism and the destruction of environment in Canada.

It appears, it doesn't matter how many white supremacists are in the Canadian forces.  Just imagine half of them are commies.....   ha-ha-ha.

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1 hour ago, cougar said:

It would be nice to live on EI, social, disability or another government program. 

Sure, if you don't mind living in a poorly maintained basement suite or apartment, run out of food 3 days before your next cheque, hitting up the food bank, if you can get there, walk or stay home because you can't afford transit, do without a phone one or two weeks per month because your pre-purchased minutes are up, wear clothes exclusively from second-hand, run out of shampoo, soap, toothpaste periodically.  Maybe your rental includes hydro and cable/internet.  If not, no TV for you and always behind on hydro. 

And with all this "luxury living" knowing that a lot of people look down on you because you are poor and it's your fault/your 'scamming' the poor taxpayer.

Yup, disability/social assistance - great life.  Maybe you should try it, give yourself a clue.

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On 6/3/2019 at 8:08 PM, dialamah said:

Sure, if you don't mind living in a poorly maintained basement suite or apartment, run out of food 3 days before your next cheque, hitting up the food bank, if you can get there, walk or stay home because you can't afford transit, do without a phone one or two weeks per month because your pre-purchased minutes are up, wear clothes exclusively from second-hand, run out of shampoo, soap, toothpaste periodically.  Maybe your rental includes hydro and cable/internet.  If not, no TV for you and always behind on hydro. 

And with all this "luxury living" knowing that a lot of people look down on you because you are poor and it's your fault/your 'scamming' the poor taxpayer.

Yup, disability/social assistance - great life.  Maybe you should try it, give yourself a clue.

Here is a clue. Start telling your prime mistake of Canuckistan to stop boring money from the banksters and giving away most of what that fool borrows to other countries who do not deserve it, and on criminal illegals entering Canada every day illegally. These are two of the main reasons as to why there are so many Canadians unemployed and on welfare. Start to think about Canada and Canadians first for a change and not the rest of the bloody world. Let them live in their own chit that they created. Canadians need to stop trying to be big brother and saviour for the rest of the world. In this supposed;y wealthy nation there is no need for anyone to be unemployed or on welfare unless they are on those benefits for health reasons. 

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On 6/3/2019 at 1:28 AM, Zeitgeist said:

Also, Canada was good in Croatia and Bosnia.   It was important work that prevented atrocities.  

It's funney how sometimes history is written by the Canadian propaganda dept...And while I'm not going to say"we " meaning Canadian soldiers prevented no atrocities because they did prevent "some", just by being there.......but while under the early years under the UN Banner , we watched and recorded shit tonnes of atrocities, so that info could later be used in war crime courts...BTW very few people were arrested for any war crimes due to our recording and reporting these crimes to New York UN head quarters.. It was this UN inaction that gave the Serbs, Croats, Bosnians the balls to commit even more crimes, and as this conflict wore on, these crimes were actually committed in front of UN peace keepers....Such as the Serbs confrontation with Dutch peacekeepers where they enter a dutch controlled refuggee camp with thousands of people in it, where they were loaded up all military aged boys of 15 years up to old men of 65 onto buses drove them into the woods and killed them, all...these boys and men were under UN protection, in a UN sanctioned refugee center...Dutch soldiers were ordered to do nothing, record and report...Have you ever been forced to watch murders , while fully armed, fully trained knowing you could make a difference  ...and then told you can't do anything....it goes against all your morals and values....Same thing happened to Canadian soldiers, in my experience we had to watch men , women and children offloaded by tourist busses forced to wade into a river in chest high waters then smashed in the head with a wooden war hammer, the bodies were carried away by the current of the river....try doing that for a couple hours....and told you could not act, I was embarrassed to be a Canadian soldier that day....I vowed never to do another UN tour in my life time, "and Canada wants a seat at the UN table to do what"........it was not until Yugo was taken over by NATO that things would change....and soldiers allowed to intervene in war crimes...even make arrests....

For most of the time we spent in Yogo, our own allies had nicknamed our battle groups Can't bat 1 and Can't bat 2 because our government did not allow us to do anything that might place us in danger....There is something to be proud of....any danger we did find ourselves , by helping keep the peace was of our own choices, Not reported to official chain of command, because it would mean our jobs...the only exception to that was the Medak pocket, ya goggle that shit...and that was kept under wraps for years....

Not saying there was nothing good every come of those first years in Yugo, because many soldiers just did not ask permission, or report things they just did it and would ask forgiveness later...Like WO Sullivan , 3 RCR who entered a mine field to retrieve the bodies of 2 young boys and their father, who had died trying the same thing   , so there grieving mother could have something to bury....he made several trips into that mine field because there was not a whole left of the boys...who had been torn to pieces by a mine while they played soccer....WO Sullivan was the best soldier I had the honor to serve with, unfortunately this incident and a few others like it had broken his mind....he would later commit suicide do to PTSD...like so many others...

Yugo was not Canada's finest hour.....

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The tasking was simply to report the violations in and around the Zona, that's all Peacekeeping is, the mission is simply to support a ceasefire which the co-belligerents agree to, the mission was never to stop atrocities, Peacekeeping is UN Chapter 6, using force to impose on the co-belligerents is UN Chapter 7, neither Op Harmony nor Op Cavalier were Chapter 7 missions. 

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