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If you want to know what Scheer will do if he becomes PM, all you have to do is look at what Trump is doing. Whatever happens with the Republicans in the States, the Conservatives will follow sooner rather than later. It's historical. When the Republicans deregulated banks which caused the financial crisis, Harper was the first cheerleader in the Conservatives to demand Canada follows the same.  When Bush sent troops into Iraq under false pretenses, Harper was the first Conservative cheerleader to demand Canadian troops follow (he got his way when he became PM and sent Canadians to Iraq to fight and die for U.S. interests).

Even now - Trump moves Israel embassy to Jerusalem. Lapdog Scheer, puts it on the top of his list in his platform. It's like a crystal ball. Now that the abortion debate is being attacked in the U.S. then it is for certain that it will be reopened and attacked in Canada if Scheer wins.  If U.S. attacks Iran, Scheer will be first to want to send Canadian troops into war.

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5 minutes ago, Neil Austen said:

If you want to know what Scheer will do if he becomes PM, all you have to do is look at what Trump is doing. Whatever happens with the Republicans in the States, the Conservatives will follow sooner rather than later. It's historical. When the Republicans deregulated banks which caused the financial crisis, Harper was the first cheerleader in the Conservatives to demand Canada follows the same.  When Bush sent troops into Iraq under false pretenses, Harper was the first Conservative cheerleader to demand Canadian troops follow (he got his way when he became PM and sent Canadians to Iraq to fight and die for U.S. interests).

Even now - Trump moves Israel embassy to Jerusalem. Lapdog Scheer, puts it on the top of his list in his platform. It's like a crystal ball. Now that the abortion debate is being attacked in the U.S. then it is for certain that it will be reopened and attacked in Canada if Scheer wins.  If U.S. attacks Iran, Scheer will be first to want to send Canadian troops into war.

Total b.s.  Scheer is nothing like Trump, but he could use a bit more chutzpah

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2 hours ago, Neil Austen said:

If you want to know what Scheer will do if he becomes PM, all you have to do is look at what Trump is doing. Whatever happens with the Republicans in the States, the Conservatives will follow sooner rather than later. It's historical. When the Republicans deregulated banks which caused the financial crisis, Harper was the first cheerleader in the Conservatives to demand Canada follows the same.  When Bush sent troops into Iraq under false pretenses, Harper was the first Conservative cheerleader to demand Canadian troops follow (he got his way when he became PM and sent Canadians to Iraq to fight and die for U.S. interests).

Even now - Trump moves Israel embassy to Jerusalem. Lapdog Scheer, puts it on the top of his list in his platform. It's like a crystal ball. Now that the abortion debate is being attacked in the U.S. then it is for certain that it will be reopened and attacked in Canada if Scheer wins.  If U.S. attacks Iran, Scheer will be first to want to send Canadian troops into war.

Guessing that you're a Liberal . . . . Trudeau is 'your guy' ?

Lots of assumptions about Scheer in your post. Care to divulge the source of your information ?

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Neil Austen said:

If you want to know what Scheer will do if he becomes PM, all you have to do is look at what Trump is doing.

 

If you want to know what the Liberal party will do each election season, just look at how many times they have pulled out the U.S. bogeyman before.  

No different this time....Boo !

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On 5/25/2019 at 1:40 PM, Neil Austen said:

If you want to know what Scheer will do if he becomes PM, all you have to do is look at what Trump is doing. Whatever happens with the Republicans in the States, the Conservatives will follow sooner rather than later. It's historical. When the Republicans deregulated banks which caused the financial crisis,

I think you need a harsh dose of reality.

The financial crisis started when the last piece of legislation left over the last market crash was repealed....Galss-Steagal.  If you bother to think about that, you would realize that was the liberals under Klinton that did that.  Even so, deregulation went on by the Uniparty for decades...lead by the fact that Goldman Sucks has owned every one of the past 10 or so administrations lock, stock and barrel.

If only Dimples had the balls Trump has shown, I could get excited by the prospect of him as PM.  My concern is that Scheer is a politician (never really done anything else) and Trump's appeal is that he is very much an outsider to the political process.

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Indeed, it's a one party state, the Cons are just a prop.

Soon as they get to Ottawa, they will obey the bureaucrats and cower in the face of the CBC propaganda arm and associated Unifor thugs, Scheer the same as Harper.

Doesn't matter who you vote for, the deeply entrenched and ideologically prejudiced bureaucracy rules the country,  and it's not subject to being voted out.

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2 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Indeed, it's a one party state, the Cons are just a prop.

Soon as they get to Ottawa, they will obey the bureaucrats and cower in the face of the CBC propaganda arm and associated Unifor thugs, Scheer the same as Harper.

Doesn't matter who you vote for, the deeply entrenched and ideologically prejudiced bureaucracy rules the country,  and it's not subject to being voted out.

I can't argue with that.

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13 minutes ago, cannuck said:

I can't argue with that.

The only thing to do is keep voting for the Liberals, because it will only be when the electorate starts to feel the fiscal and economic pain caused by the Liberal nonsense policies, that you will get a pendulum swing to an actual right wing populist revolt.

The Phony Cons are just a diversion, they're basically just the Liberals with some social conservatives in their ranks, they will make some minor tweaks around the margins, but they will not defy the CBC and PSAC and Unifor and the rest of the entrenched interests, once you put them in office.

The Phony Cons are the same as the Liberals, they just want the perks and perogatives and pensions that comes with being an MP, but they are not going to confront the left in any meaningful way.

You have to change the minds of the electorate, and you won't be able to convince them by telling them, they have to learn the hard way.

I look to the long game, the only way to discredit the left to the point of an actual populist right wing revolt, is to feed this leftist nonsense to the masses with a fire hose until they choke on it.

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Frankly, I am pretty much resigned to waiting for interest rates to be forced back to historical norms, because it's really the 2008 "bailout" which is allowing these big government interventionist to run amok, because they don't have to pay for it and neither do the taxpayers.

With the bubble this has created, even just returning to 8% would cause a ferocious backlash, if it went to 1980's style 18-22%, all heck would break loose.

Bear in mind that nobody was up to their necks in debt in the 1980's as they are now, a Paul Volcker style correction imposed on this debt bubble economy now, would be like the Great Depression.

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2 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

The only thing to do is keep voting for the Liberals, because it will only be when the electorate starts to feel the fiscal and economic pain caused by the Liberal nonsense policies, that you will get a pendulum swing to an actual right wing populist revolt.

It's hard to see what that would look like, given that the populists seem to be devoted to propping up manual labour as an economic driver.  What would a true "right" economy look like, given that the small-l liberal agenda of the last 35 years has helped corporations massively already ?
 

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 I look to the long game, the only way to discredit the left to the point of an actual populist right wing revolt, is to feed this leftist nonsense to the masses with a fire hose until they choke on it.

Is this some kind of Libertarian utopia you're waiting on ?  Boy, those populists without tech skills will really do great in that economy...

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9 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

It's hard to see what that would look like, given that the populists seem to be devoted to propping up manual labour as an economic driver.  What would a true "right" economy look like, given that the small-l liberal agenda of the last 35 years has helped corporations massively already ?
 

Is this some kind of Libertarian utopia you're waiting on ?  Boy, those populists without tech skills will really do great in that economy...

I wouldn't try to manage the economy, I swim in an ocean of market forces and I do okay for myself, and I'm a high school drop out with no skills other than for warfighting.

I don't really care about pulling economic levers, I'm revanchist, all I care about is slaughtering leftist sacred cows and derailing leftist agenda's.

I just want to do harm to the left, in any way I can, it's pure hatred at this point, all I want is vengeance.

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15 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

1. I wouldn't try to manage the economy, I swim in an ocean of market forces and I do okay for myself, and I'm a high school drop out with no skills other than for warfighting.

2. I don't really care about pulling economic levers, I'm revanchist, all I care about is slaughtering leftist sacred cows and derailing leftist agenda's.

3. I just want to do harm to the left, in any way I can, it's pure hatred at this point, all I want is vengeance.

1. Ok, well sounds like the same-old same-old.  I guess "warfighting" will be in great demand as the corporate alliances eventually take each other on.

2. Ok, so you're a murderer.  Got it.

3. Ok.  Well, welcome to the discussion board ?

 

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27 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Ok, well sounds like the same-old same-old.  I guess "warfighting" will be in great demand as the corporate alliances eventually take each other on.

2. Ok, so you're a murderer.  Got it.

3. Ok.  Well, welcome to the discussion board ?

 

Corporate alliance wars does sound intriguing, but I will only murder on the lawful orders of the Commander-in-Chief Queen Elizabeth II within the confines of national and international law and the laws of armed conflict.

Tho I don't need her permission to kill a cow, obviously.

Thanks for the welcome.

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1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

Corporate alliance wars does sound intriguing, but I will only murder on the lawful orders of the Commander-in-Chief Queen Elizabeth II within the confines of national and international law and the laws of armed conflict.

 

See, that's the thing...the "progressive" small L agenda has always included a strong dose of warfighting threat and action/killin' to get its way in far off lands.

In Canada, they branded it as a "Responsibility to Protect®" for political gain, while demanding that the Americans pay the most blood and treasure.

 

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See, that's the thing...the "progressive" small L agenda has always included a strong dose of warfighting threat and action/killin' to get its way in far off lands.

In Canada, they branded it as a "Responsibility to Protect®" for political gain, while demanding that the Americans pay the most blood and treasure.

 

Indeed, although I could only do what I could do for my part, and I served the American Supreme Allied Commander proudly.

 

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13 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

See, that's the thing...the "progressive" small L agenda has always included a strong dose of warfighting threat and action/killin' to get its way in far off lands.

In Canada, they branded it as a "Responsibility to Protect®" for political gain, while demanding that the Americans pay the most blood and treasure.

 

Well, since the US is the Imperial power, we do this simply because we are your lap dog.

Problem is: by hitching our wagon to your star, we have learned how to scorn the act of actually doing any work to ride on the yankee bandwagon of casino capitalism - but only because we have the massive resources right now to pay for those who think we can run our economy by lifting ourselves up by our own bootlaces.   What they fail to realize is that the Loonie does not enjoy hegemony that allows the greenback to carry Wall Street.

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On 5/25/2019 at 12:40 PM, Neil Austen said:

If you want to know what Scheer will do if he becomes PM, all you have to do is look at what Trump is doing. Whatever happens with the Republicans in the States, the Conservatives will follow sooner rather than later. It's historical. When the Republicans deregulated banks which caused the financial crisis, Harper was the first cheerleader in the Conservatives to demand Canada follows the same.  When Bush sent troops into Iraq under false pretenses, Harper was the first Conservative cheerleader to demand Canadian troops follow (he got his way when he became PM and sent Canadians to Iraq to fight and die for U.S. interests).

Even now - Trump moves Israel embassy to Jerusalem. Lapdog Scheer, puts it on the top of his list in his platform. It's like a crystal ball. Now that the abortion debate is being attacked in the U.S. then it is for certain that it will be reopened and attacked in Canada if Scheer wins.  If U.S. attacks Iran, Scheer will be first to want to send Canadian troops into war.

Scheer will give us the same thing as king Trudeau has been giving us? The shafting. Only difference will be that the shafting will be brought on we the people a little slower but the plan will still be there. Destroy Canada as fast as can be done. Your Canadian dollar(peso) tells us all as to just how in bad shape Canada is these days. Massive non-western immigration was supposed to make Canada great again, but instead, it would appear as though all this massive immigration is making things worse. But who care, eh? :rolleyes:

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23 hours ago, cannuck said:

I can't argue with that.

It's hard to argue with common sense and logic something our politically correct puppet on a string politicians lack big time here in Canada. Aw well. 

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6 hours ago, cannuck said:

Well, since the US is the Imperial power, we do this simply because we are your lap dog.

That's not why I served the SACEUR, I was entirely supportive of the American Empire of Liberty in the face of Bolshevist barbarism, and the American chain of command treated us with the utmost of respect, we were brothers in arms, defending the Free World, whatever rivalries we had, were merely to foster healthy competition in the pursuit of excellence.

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I have found the American fighting men to be greatest ambassadors for their republic, if you ever have the privilege to serve alongside them, quite sure you will see that they are the friendliest most forthright and respectful men on earth, no lap dog will you be, as if you are ever in the breach, they will come and lay their lives down for you, without hesitation.

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Dougie, I agree with you for the most part about the members of various US military forces (wife and I grew up in Canforces as civilian dependents and later civilian support around several foreign powers, served for some time as arty reserve and my Son-in-law is infantry DCO now and was officer co-ordinating with US in Afgan).  It is the political use of Canadians by the US, not to mention diplomatic and trade use...abuse mostly where we are literally lap dogs to the Imperial powers to our South.  They simply replaced the British after WWII.  Sometimes you/we need to differentiate between those giving the orders and those taking them.

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3 hours ago, cannuck said:

Dougie, I agree with you for the most part about the members of various US military forces (wife and I grew up in Canforces as civilian dependents and later civilian support around several foreign powers, served for some time as arty reserve and my Son-in-law is infantry DCO now and was officer co-ordinating with US in Afgan).  It is the political use of Canadians by the US, not to mention diplomatic and trade use...abuse mostly where we are literally lap dogs to the Imperial powers to our South.  They simply replaced the British after WWII.  Sometimes you/we need to differentiate between those giving the orders and those taking them.

But it's a totally unrealistic pipe dream to think that Canada is ever going to be independent from the American Hegemony.

First of all, the Canadian economy is actually moribund, it's just raw resource extraction and government handouts, the only reason Canada can get away with it while still maintaining American lifestyles, is that Canada is feeding off special access to the US market. 

Second, Canadians are not willing to pay for an actual military and the Boutique Canadian military cannot function without being propped up by the Pentagon.

Third, in my day, everybody in the military supported the Americans and wanted to deploy.   Any mission, anywhere, the troops wanted to go, there's no draft, nobody is forced to deploy.

 I mean, if you were Arty then you know that there's only 37 M777's for the whole army, and the only way they even got those was ACAN FMS transfer straight from the Pentagon, and 37 guns is not an artillery corps, they don't even deploy full batteries in the RCHA anymore, they got four guns per battery now.  

It's not a real army, it's a government handout to regional interests boondoggle, and it can't be fixed, I've watched it for half a century now, it's only getting worse, not better, the military is simply collapsing down to an armed constabulary by default, slowly but surely.

All you can do at this point is plug one battlegroup into an American/NATO deployment, and that literally stretches the army to the limit of its meager resources.

Back in the 80's we were underfunded, and we didn't have the latest kit like Abrams and Apaches, but 4 CMBG was a real Brigade Group, fully equipped, elite troops in terms of training, ready for war on a moment's notice.

The Brigades we have now are not that.   The Brigades we have now are just on paper, a reinforced battalion is all Canada can really sustain in the field now.

Back in 1989 we could have been reinforced by two more Brigade Groups from Canada to activate 1st Canadian Division (Mechanized), probably about 12,500 troops in the field for war, now you would be hard pressed to deploy 1250 troops in the field.

It's funny, back when I joined I thought the military was in a sorry state then, because everybody else in NATO was getting new kit while were still using kit from the 1950's, but boy was I naive, because the Liberals came in and literally dismantled the army right before my eyes in the 90's

I didn't foresee 9-11, I didn't know there was a war coming, but I decided I needed to get out of this army before they sent me to war in an Iltis, and that's exactly what happened to guys in Afghanistan, Robbie Beerenfenger and Sergeant Short, blown up driving around in an Iltis in an actual war.

It's one thing to die for your country, but dying because they don't give enough of a shit to provide you with any kit, is a fool's errand.

And even through this war went on for more than a decade, the government was still doing it on the cheap, they were not rushing kit to the front while guys were dying from a lack of it, what kit the army did get for Kandahar was the bare minimum the government thought they could get away with.

And Canadians don't care.   It's not their problem, it's not their army, they wash their hands if it, all Canadians want is their socialist government handouts, they ain't cutting into that in order to have an independent foreign policy and functional military.

And that's why Canada is just a colony, an Anglo-American protectorate, and always will be, because Canadians are not willing to pay the price to be a real country, they'd rather have a fake country socialist Potemkin Village propped up by American corporate welfare. 

That's just how it is, that's the Canadian mentality, right back to the beginning, it hasn't changed in a 150 years and its never going to change.  Canadians are colonials, they never were a real country, so that never took off within the historical memory of the population.

As you say, first Canada was a dependent of the British Empire, then it got handed over to the Americans Empire, but that's because Canada never was a nation, Canada is just Confederation and that Confederation doesn't have a unified national interest.  

So you're stuck with the Americans, forever.   Personally. I don't mind, I'm half American, so I don't fear nor loathe the Americans, I actually love them as my kin.

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Oh, and on the economic side of things?   If you're feeling manipulated or whatever? 

It's quite simple; stop being an Economic Nationalist.

Economic Nationalism is for the rubes, businessmen don't operate like that, divest yourself personally from relying on Canadian protectionism and socialist handouts.

Because this ship is going to sink, so don't strap yourself to it with the unions and the media and the rest of these totalitarian Canadians.

You and the state are not one and the same.   The government will not save you.

Because most Canadians are raised by the socialist teachers unions, college academics and the CBC state propaganda arm to think the an economy is all about having a sob story and then getting a government handout, they are functionally illiterate when it comes to business and competing in a global market, and so they will blow themselves up in the end.

It's not the Americans who are screwing you, it's the Government of Canada and associated socialist entrenched interests who are dragging you down with them.

Canadians have a Soviet Union like attitude towards economics, they want a walled off quasi-communist economy, Cuba North.

Just like the Soviets, it is going to collapse eventually, but you don't have to go down with the ship.

You can actually profit mightily by shorting Canada as the moribund Canadian economy starts to crumble in the face of the information age.

Basically strip mine these dingbats and laugh all the way to the bank, don't feel bad for them, Canadians refuse to compete so they are bringing it on themselves. never mind that these are the folks who would send you to war in an Iltis to be blown up and not give a shit about it, so they are not a people who deserve any loyalty.

Don't shed any tears for Canada, because really, all "Canada" is now is a bunch of socialist parasites sucking the economic life out of you to feather their own nests.

Certainly don't get yourself blown up in an Iltis for these CBCelites, but don't be an Economic Nationalist to prop them up in their Ivory Towers neither.

Take the money and run, to Florida.  Or somewhere in the sun belt so you don't have to put up with shitty Canadian winter anymore.

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