Boges Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 Trump Legal Challenges are going well. cnn.com/2020/11/06/politics/trump-and-gop-lawsuits-to-challenge-election-flail-in-court/index.html Quote The judge asked Philadelphia city officials to confirm Democrats and Republicans were being treated fairly to watch the ballot-counting and that they were allowed to watch the counting in the city from 6 feet away. He noted the case appeared to be an appeal of a state issue -- making it completely out of place for a federal court to handle. When the Trump campaign lawyer spoke up to say he had "another problem" with the ballot observation, Diamond, the judge, cut him off, asking, "Length and width? Time and place?" When the judge pressed the Trump campaign lawyer on if there were observers in the room from the campaign, the lawyer, Jerome Marcus, said: "There's a non-zero number of people in the room." Trump has a non-zero chance of going to Jail after all this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 58 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: I don’t watch CNN or any of the 24-hr cable news channels. But reading through their coverage which is still on their website shows once again your representation of their coverage is full of shit. Riiiight. So they actually showed the M Brown videos back in 2014 and they didn't call him gentle giant lol. You are a liar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 18 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Riiiight. So they actually showed the M Brown videos back in 2014 and they didn't call him gentle giant lol. You are a liar. They reported both sides of the story. So that makes you the liar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 2 hours ago, BeaverFever said: They reported both sides of the story. So that makes you the liar You're doubling down on a lie - you're still a liar beaver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannucklehead Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 maybe he just needs a massage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 27 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said: maybe he just needs a massage? Trump truly exemplifies the traits of a narcissist. The guy is such a bad loser. The votes are rigged when he is losing to Biden but it’s ok for the people who voted for him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironstone Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 Trump has no chance to win this battle even though there clearly appeared to be a lot of suspicious things happening with the mail-in ballots,postmarks or no postmarks,ballot harvesting,dumped ballots etc. I have a feeling that from now on the Dems will encourage their supporters to go exclusively with the mail in ballots in future elections as it seems to give them the ability to overcome substantial leads as needed. Joe Biden will eventually be sworn in and of course his family will get to pull in some huge amounts of money for nothing more than introductions. Old Joe will soon realize the the clock will start winding down to the time when his own party removes him from office with the 25th Amendment to make way for radical Kamala Harris.This will be the new drama...will Joe go willingly or not? Do you think he can last a year, maybe two? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 8 minutes ago, ironstone said: ....I have a feeling that from now on the Dems will encourage their supporters to go exclusively with the mail in ballots in future elections as it seems to give them the ability to overcome substantial leads as needed. I think you are right about this...mail-in ballots will now be the norm to weaponize the solicitation of votes and counting windows. I my state, we received solicitations for mail-in voting without asking for them. The application form required personal identification data and e-mail addresses, the very things that were refused by Democrats for voter I.D. law(s) sought by Republicans to prevent fraud. This will just become another battleground in the war. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowich Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 22 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Trump should have lost in a landslide. The fact that he didn’t speaks volumes Nathan Robinson Thu 5 Nov 2020 18.11 GMT Last modified on Thu 5 Nov 2020 22.16 GMT In the lead-up to the 2020 election, Democrats were extremely confident in Joe Biden’s prospects. With his comfortable lead in national polls, there was talk of a Biden landslide, a giant “blue wave” that could turn Texas blue. Even though the polls had been off in the 2016 election, media commentators reassuredaudiences that Biden’s lead was different – far stronger and more stable – than Hillary Clinton’s had been. As of this writing, it does look as if Biden will squeak his way into the White House. But only just. And no “blue wave” materialized. Far from turning Texas blue, Biden appears to have severely underperformed relative to Hillary Clinton in some heavily Hispanic areas. Democrats have not retaken the US Senate and failed to knock out a single Republican in the House of Representatives. Millions more people voted for Trump than in 2016, and it became disturbingly clear that even if Trump himself is booted from office, “Trumpism” is alive and well. There was no need for it to be this way. Donald Trump has badly mishandled the coronavirus pandemic, which has killed hundreds of thousands of Americans. The economy is in recession. The Republican war on the Affordable Care Act seems more heartless than ever as millions lose their insurance. Trump did not run a good campaign. He botched the first debate. He squanderedhis campaign cash. His messaging against Joe Biden was unfocused and often incoherent, simultaneously trying to paint him as a radical Antifa-sympathizing socialist and a corrupt corporate establishment figure. At a time when the economy was voters’ No 1 issue, Trump was focused on the emails of Biden’s ne’er-do-well son, Hunter. A campaign that presented voters with a clear and compelling alternative should have easily defeated Trump. But Biden didn’t offer a clear and compelling alternative. He was a weak candidate from the start, so much so that even some of his allies were worried what would happen if he won the primary. Biden, like Hillary Clinton before him, represented the corporate wing of the Democratic party; he loudly defended the private health insurance industry and the fracking industry from attacks by the left. He ran away from proposals favored by the Democratic base like Medicare for All and the Green New Deal. He didn’t show much interest in courting core constituencies like Latino voters (reportedly, the Biden campaign did not consider them part of its “path to victory”, which helps explain the losses in Texas and Florida). Biden didn’t even put much energy into the campaign; at crucial moments when Trump’s team were knocking on a million doors a week, Biden’s was reportedly knocking on zero. His ground game in important swing states like Michigan was “invisible”. To many on the left, then, Biden’s lackluster performance is no surprise. Yes, Trump could have been resoundingly defeated. But 2016 proved once and for all that the Democratic establishment simply doesn’t have a message that can effectively counter Trump. The party leadership ignored the lessons that should have been learned four years ago. Instead, Democratic strategy is the very definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. We know how Democrats can win again. Thomas Frank, in his vital book, Listen, Liberal: Or, What Ever Happened to the Party of the People?, explains that Democrats need to get back to being a party that offers something meaningful to working people. We know that voting Republican is no indication that voters actually want the agenda the Republican party will pursue in office. Fox News polling indicates voters want universal healthcare, abortion rights and a pathway to citizenship for unauthorized immigrants. Florida voters, even as they selected Donald Trump, also opted to increase the state’s minimum wage to $15 an hour. The Democrats do not need to propose insipid half-measures when the data indicates that the public are fully on board with a progressive agenda. This is why many of us on the left were pushing so hard for Bernie Sanders in the Democratic primary. We believed that he had a winning formula for combating Trumpism, that the conventional wisdom that centrism is “pragmatic” was totally upside down. Bernie knew how to speak to Trump’s own voters, he could go to a Fox town hall and have the attendees cheering for single-payer healthcare, or win over a crowd at Liberty University. We believed that in a general election, he would be able to move the kinds of discontented anti-establishment voters who put Trump in office, and would have dominated in the rust belt states where Biden is just barely squeaking by. That theory is untested; we never got a chance to compare what a left candidate could do against Trump with what Clinton and Biden managed. But the disappointing Democratic performances in both 2016 and 2020 should tell us that something is deeply, troublingly wrong with the party. A reality TV clown who supports policies most Americans hate (eg tax cuts for the rich) should not be coming anywhere near winning a presidential election. Yet he is. Why? Blaming the voters simply will not do. This is a failure of leadership. Those responsible for it need to be held accountable. Unfortunately, it looks like some in the party will learn the wrong lessons. Even though dozens of democratic socialists won their elections this year while centrists struggled, there is a contingent among Democrats whose solution to any problem is the same: become more like Republicans. Already, there is talk that they need to embrace tax cuts and run away from the “socialism” label. In other words, double down on what they were already doing. Those who think that is the lesson may simply be “unteachable” – a word George Orwell used to describe the old British cavalry generals who still insisted on using horses long after the invention of automatic weapons, and could not be persuaded that a horse is not useful against a machine gun. Today’s Democratic leaders are like those generals. If 2016 couldn’t persuade them that they were wrong, this won’t either. Nothing ever will. It is time for a whole new approach, not a double dose of the existing one. We need to take the right lessons from this election, the ones that didn’t take in 2016. First, don’t trust polls, and don’t get complacent or assume the tides of history will carry you to victory. Second, Trumpism will not “self-destruct”: you can’t simply run against Trump, you need a powerful alternative vision that actually gives people what they say they want and fights for something worth believing in. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/05/trump-should-have-lost-in-a-landslide-the-fact-that-he-didnt-speaks-volumes "Democratic strategy is the very definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. " That one sentence sums it up for the poor Democratic performance in this election. It encompasses the many failures of the party and the failure of the 'blue wave' to materialize. Good article Beaver. Thanks for the share. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowich Posted November 7, 2020 Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 11 hours ago, BeaverFever said: More pizzagate fake allegation bullshit, which has become the bread and butter of the Republican Party these past 5 years. All of these fake vote fraud claims and baseless lawsuits aren’t really an effort to win a Trump presidency, their real goal is to permanently destroy the credibility of US democracy, for the short-term goal of sabotaging the inevitable Biden presidency Hillary Clinton would have probably been less than a footnote in US history but now thanks to Republican’s destruction of democracy she’ll be forever remembered in the history books as the last presidential candidate to peacefully concede defeat. Well if Joe makes it through his four years and decides to step down or is defeated in the next election, I fully expect that he will gracefully exit the White House. Just sayin' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowich Posted November 7, 2020 Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 A Big Win for Democrats in California Came With a Gut Check for Liberals Joe Biden received one of the highest margins in the nation in California, but a look at how the state’s ballot measures were decided shows a more complex picture of the electorate. OAKLAND, Calif. — The message that California voters sent in the presidential election was unequivocal: With almost two-thirds of ballots counted so far going for Joseph R. Biden Jr., the nation’s most populous state put up mammoth numbers for the Democrats. But dig a little deeper into the results and a more complex picture of the Golden State voter emerges, of strong libertarian impulses and resistance to some quintessentially liberal ideas. In a series of referendums, voters in California rejected affirmative action, decisively shot down an expansion of rent control and eviscerated a law that gives greater labor protections for ride-share and delivery drivers, a measure that had the strong backing of labor unions. A measure that would have raised taxes on commercial landlords to raise billions for a state that sorely needs revenue also seemed on track for defeat. The full force of the election results provided something of a gut check for liberals in a state that plays a big role in the Democratic Party and often offers insights into where the rest of the nation might be headed. “The results in California show the Democrats that you can go too far,” said Bob Shrum, a former Democratic strategist and the director of the Dornsife Center for the Political Future at the University of Southern California. “California is a very liberal state that is now resistant to higher taxes and welcoming to the new gig economy, which is where the industry was created.” That is not to say California is lurching rightward. The state is unwaveringly Democratic up and down the ranks of its government. Democrats have a supermajority in the Legislature, and the governor and lieutenant governor are Democrats. Even the state’s chief justice, Tani Cantil-Sakauye, quit the Republican Party two years ago and became an independent. Pockets of unambiguous liberalism stayed strong on Tuesday with San Francisco voters saying yes to liberal priorities including affordable housing, police oversight and new taxes on companies whose highest-paid manager makes more than 100 times the level paid to its local workers. And on many ballot measures, California voters validated the state’s liberal reputation. They rejected an expansion of penalties for some crimes and restored voting rights for felons who are on parole, securing the state’s position as a national leader in reducing mass incarceration and reforming its criminal justice system. This year’s mixed results, however, were not an anomaly. California has always had competing impulses. The state that is home to Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the House of Representatives, also produced icons of conservatism including Ronald Reagan. Some of the most prominent conservative voices during the Trump presidency hail from California, including Kevin McCarthy, the House minority leader; Devin Nunes, the outspoken congressman and staunch Trump ally; and Stephen Miller, the hard-line anti-immigration White House adviser. This has put California on the front lines of many political battles. The affirmative action measure on the ballot this year, for example, dated to 1996. That year, 55 percent of the state’s electorate voted to ban the use of race, ethnicity, national origin or gender in public hiring, contracting and university admissions. The proposition that California voted on this time would have repealed the ban and was supported by a who’s who of the Democratic Party in the state, including Kamala Harris, the senator and vice-presidential candidate. But it was defeated by almost the same margin with which it had passed originally. Analysts saw a reflection of the state’s demographic complexity in the vote. “It’s always difficult to do proposition campaigns in a state of 40 million people,” said Anthony Rendon, a Democrat and the speaker of the California Assembly. “But our racial and ethnic groups are more complicated and divided than they used to be, in a bunch of different ways.” Since 2014, no one racial or ethnic group has constituted a majority of California’s population. Thirty-nine percent of California residents are Latino, 37 percent are white, 15 percent are Asian-American, 6 percent are Black and fewer than 1 percent are Native American or Pacific Islander, according to the 2018 American Community Survey. More: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/05/us/california-election-results.html?campaign_id=56&emc=edit_cn_20201106&instance_id=23856&nl=on-politics-with-lisa-lerer®i_id=58085075&segment_id=43701&te=1&user_id=d84861ac2c6e3214d9ec5c3c3024157d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted November 7, 2020 Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 (edited) 45 minutes ago, mowich said: Well if Joe makes it through his four years and decides to step down or is defeated in the next election, I fully expect that he will gracefully exit the White House. Just sayin' Yes. Because that's what grownups do and have always done in the US since 1797. I expect that boob Trudeau to leave peacefully, too, if we can gather enough votes to kick him out. Edited November 7, 2020 by Argus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted November 7, 2020 Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 Democrats won the battle, but lost the war. It couldn’t have happened to a more deserving group of horrible people! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyMcFarland Posted November 7, 2020 Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 Looks like more divided government is in store south of the border. That’s just not a good way to run things in a hyper-partisan era. The British system is better. The lower house should choose the head of government and that person should not be the head of state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted November 7, 2020 Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 2 hours ago, mowich said: Well if Joe makes it through his four years and decides to step down or is defeated in the next election, I fully expect that he will gracefully exit the White House. Just sayin' Sure but I’m talking about losing an election The Republicans are trying to make it do the loser screaming fraud and filing frivolous lawsuits and partisan mobs are part of the regular normal election process Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 7, 2020 Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 Biden wins. They interrupted the football to say so, so they must be sure... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AYanker76 Posted November 7, 2020 Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AYanker76 Posted November 7, 2020 Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 (edited) ...-HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Up yours Vladimir! --------------- Also, my language test results came back, and I'm still coming to your country to live and finding a nice Canadian gal. You can't keep me out. Edited November 7, 2020 by AYanker76 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted November 7, 2020 Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 The shooting starts in 3...2...1.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 7, 2020 Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, AYanker76 said: ...-HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Up yours Vladimir! --------------- Also, my language test results came back, and I'm still coming to your country to live and finding a nice Canadian gal. You can't keep me out. Vancouver is nice at this time of year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted November 7, 2020 Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 (edited) Commiseration to my fellow republican supporters for Donald Trump? Latest tweet by Donald Trump. “I have won the election by alot” Yeah right... Edited November 7, 2020 by kactus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 7, 2020 Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 19 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: The shooting starts in 3...2...1.... The shooting started in 2016.... "NOT MY PRESIDENT !!!" "RESIST !!!" "OBSTRUCT !!!" "IMPEACH !!!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannucklehead Posted November 7, 2020 Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 So if trump goes to jail does the secret service still protect him? I bet there's a lot of people getting their shivs ready.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted November 7, 2020 Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: The shooting started in 2016.... "NOT MY PRESIDENT !!!" "RESIST !!!" "OBSTRUCT !!!" "IMPEACH !!!" No it was 2008 because the first 3 you mention were started by Republicans when Obama was elected. And the fourth was “SECRET MUSLIM !!!”and the fifth was “Fake BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!” You conveniently forgot about those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 7, 2020 Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: No it was 2008 because the first 3 you mention were started by Republicans when Obama was elected. And the fourth was “SECRET MUSLIM !!!”and the fifth was “Fake BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!” You conveniently forgot about those. And 2004...2000...1996...1992, etc. So it is was not 2020...thanks for playing ! Edited November 7, 2020 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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