Rue Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 On 11/11/2019 at 12:54 PM, bush_cheney2004 said: Romney, so decent and experienced, got his ass kicked already by Barack Obama. So he is already a one-time loser who couldn't shake Trump even if he tried. Russia-phobes from Canada should do more themselves and expect less from the Americans if Russia is such a threat. Ditto China and the Middle East....less deadbeat talk...more action please. Mitt Romney ain't a gonna save you from the Russians. Yah Nixon got his ass kicked too by Kennedy. Your point...never say never in politics. It aint over until the fat guy sings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 On 11/9/2019 at 2:19 PM, Right To Left said: I'll vote NO, even though the only allowed opposition in US politics (The Dems) are almost certainly going to offer up a pale imitation of Trump.....named Joe Biden! Think about it for a second. What different policy positions does Joe have or represent that are any different than Donald Trump? Joe is more of a militarist wanting more military spending and more foreign wars and bombings than Trump does. This has been a huge problem for the Democrat Party, which used to have the anti-war caucus on the left. They have been effectively shut down and silenced after Obama first took the White House and assumed control of the wars. Oh Bomber was given a Nobel Peace Prize for doing nothing other than turning two Bush wars into seven, and dropping an average of 26000 bombs per year as the process of no risk drone warfare greatly expanded. And Joe's claim to fame as a presidential candidate: being the first black president's Veep, because they sure as hell don't want to talk about his work in the Senate, mostly on behalf of insurance companies, his advocacy for drugs and crime bills that expanded America's prison population, requiring the introduction of private- for profit prisons to be built to fill the gap. And Joe on foreign policy is more of a hawk than Trump is, cause he and standard Democrats are calling Trump a Russian stooge, because war with Russia is one goal he doesn't want to take on...... Yet! When it comes to military spending, as soon as Trump took office after Clinton and Dems declared him too dangerous and unstable to be president, they demanded he take an extra $80 billion for the Pentagon budgets. All this is a big part of the reason why the Democrat centrist candidates like Biden, declare that there's no money for universal medicare or other pipedreams like a national infrastructure program....something candidate Trump talked about, but President Trump forgot about, and there's no Democrats or MSM hacks reminding him about it. So the US 2020 Election looks like an even bigger sham than usual, as there are almost no policy differences between the two parties except on identity politics issues: race, gender, gay rights, abortion...stuff that doesn't cost them or their backers any money, and are the only issues where billionaire oligarchs are divided on also. So, all of the ridiculous attention and waste of oxygen from both sides is just vitriol over the perceived virtues and faults of each side's candidates with very few differences on policy, so that the oligarchs who really run the system can be sure that regardless of who wins, nothing of substance will change, and the generals, the CIA spooks at Langley, and Wall Street bankers will all still be running the things that really count! I like your comments. Very well stated. I agree with most of them especially on Biden but I do believe Trump has injected a level of personal dimension as to his behaviour and constant lying that is more than just the usual partisan b.s. Many are asking whether he`s compromised by Putin and thus his behaviour with Erdogan, Ukraine, North Korea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 5 hours ago, Rue said: Yah Nixon got his ass kicked too by Kennedy. Your point...never say never in politics. It aint over until the fat guy sings. Nixon only lost by 110,000 votes....Romney lost by 5,000,000. Keep hoping for your man Romney....as if it matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right To Left Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 On 11/9/2019 at 4:03 PM, Argus said: Biden is sane. That's enough for me. Biden is a senile old man now, who has completely lost the ability to keep his mouth shut about stuff he kept secret for decades until recently. And his stumbling and bumbling around sure doesn't sound like sane! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHrGZgkpEi8 Not that Trump is of sound mind and body, but the DNC and centrist financiers wouldn't be scrambling for a replacement (Bloomberg, Deval Patrick) if they were reallly confident in his abilities! They know that....as it stands now, he'll get eaten alive by Trump when they step on a debate stage! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right To Left Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 12 hours ago, Rue said: I like your comments. Very well stated. I agree with most of them especially on Biden but I do believe Trump has injected a level of personal dimension as to his behaviour and constant lying that is more than just the usual partisan b.s. Many are asking whether he`s compromised by Putin and thus his behaviour with Erdogan, Ukraine, North Korea. I forget the name now, but one psychologist interviewed after viewing Trump's many public appearances over the years and some of the bizarre factoids in his bio, concluded that he would profile him as a narcissistic sociopath. But we know who Trump is compromised by: anyone with money...real money..since he was likely so far in debt that he wasn't a real billionaire when he ran for president four years ago. So, the Saudis certainly have him compromised! The side story about Putin and claimed/but never proven Russian hacking andd interference in the general election was just a scam by the Clintons and the DNC they had taken control of, to deflect attention from their colossal failure to win an election against a candidate they helped frame for the job: a reality TV star they thought would come unglued and be easy to beat! But, why not blame it on the Russians and who knows: maybe Hillary's slanderous accusations of treason against Tulsi Gabbard are an indication that she's going to be the next one out of the box to run for the Democrat nomination again! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 (edited) On 11/14/2019 at 6:00 PM, bush_cheney2004 said: Nixon only lost by 110,000 votes....Romney lost by 5,000,000. Keep hoping for your man Romney....as if it matters. I don't wait for any messiah. I look after myself thanks. Seriously I know damn well the Republicans will never go back to him I am just saying in hindsight between a choice of Romney or Trump please don't tell me yer boy Donny is a better choice. In fact anyone would have been better at this point than Trump except Ted Cruz who is a manure stain of a politician. Edited November 15, 2019 by Rue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rue said: I don't wait for any messiah. I look after myself thanks. Then stop worrying so much about Trump...or any other foreign (American) politician. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right To Left Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 4 hours ago, Rue said: I don't wait for any messiah. I look after myself thanks. Seriously I know damn well the Republicans will never go back to him I am just saying in hindsight between a choice of Romney or Trump please don't tell me yer boy Donny is a better choice. In fact anyone would have been better at this point than Trump except Ted Cruz who is a manure stain of a politician. I think both right and left...or what passes for left in America have a similar problem of looking for messiahs or perfect candidates to provide the things they want. The right built grassroots movements out of local fundamentalist churches and local business associations, the "left" used to have unions...but when the Democratic Leadership Conference (DLC) started in the 80's, they had a plan: push aside the big union leaders for more lucrative large donors who were a little queezy about the new loud and aggressive Republicans and wanted an alternative to carry out their interests. The DLC made sure Bill Clinton beat back the sex scandals (including rape allegations) that followed him out of Arkansas and made him the standard bearer for the new corporate sponsored Democratic Party. Problem is, they are certainly successful at raising cash ( the Clinton Campaign had twice as much money as Trump in 2016), but they did nothing for union members during Clinton and two term flim flam man - Obama. Obama was only successful at keeping himself in office! But since his ACL healthcare plan was little more than a joke, and he failed to do anything for working people, the Democratic brand suffered losses at every level of government! But the road to 2020, still finds the centrists in control of the party, and that's why the DNC and their friendly media are doing the equivalent of Weekend At Bernie's trying to make Joe Biden look like a real living, breathing presidential candidate! But, the last thing the party leaders are going to allow is any real progressive radicals like Bernie Sanders or especially one who speaks out against costly and ludicrous wars- Tulsi Gabbard, to have a chance of winning the nomination. In 2017, a group of Sanders delegates who were at the Convention, filed a class action lawsuit against the Democratic Party for fraud - rigging primaries, striking Democratic Party members off voter lists in states like New York, because they were from districts where Sanders' support was high, and other methods of fraud. But when it came to court, the judge in Florida dismissed the case and threw it out of court, ruling that the Democratic Party was in essence a private organization.....a private club, and therefore was under no obligations to provide fair elections. Political parties can do pretty much whatever the hell they like! So why didn't Sanders speak up afterwards when Team Hillary did the pivot to Russiagate and told their media to stop talking about the content of the emails and focus instead on a hacking conspiracy theory of how they were leaked? I don't know, but Bernie lost a lot of credibility afterwards, and I don't see how he gets it back by just retreading the same campaign plan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 9 hours ago, Rue said: I don't wait for any messiah. I look after myself thanks. Seriously I know damn well the Republicans will never go back to him I am just saying in hindsight between a choice of Romney or Trump please don't tell me yer boy Donny is a better choice. In fact anyone would have been better at this point than Trump except Ted Cruz who is a manure stain of a politician. Trump is vastly superior to Romney, especially in hindsight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 I agree, I can see Tulsi Gabbard taking down Donald Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-TSS- Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 Could it be said that the likelihood that Trump is removed from office by this current impeachment-process is about 0.1% based on that there seems to be no plan B within the Republicans preparing for a possible primaries or if such an unlikely event happens that Trump is kicked out would Pence be an automatic Republican candidate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 2 hours ago, -TSS- said: Could it be said that the likelihood that Trump is removed from office by this current impeachment-process is about 0.1% based on that there seems to be no plan B within the Republicans preparing for a possible primaries or if such an unlikely event happens that Trump is kicked out would Pence be an automatic Republican candidate? Trump could still run again in 2020 even if removed by the Senate, as he would not disqualified by the GOP. Mike Pence would become the president in the mean time and would most certainly face Republican primary challengers. So the plan is to just roll with Trump for 2020 and spend like hell to retain control of the Senate....maybe get some House seats back. The GOP/RNC have raised far more money than the Democrats/DNC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyMcFarland Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 Do Republicans require a Trump confession before they consider this conspiracy to be real? As is known from every gangster movie and Michael Cohen’s testimony, the boss talks in a code to protect himself. We have been treated to a parade of neutral witnesses saying essentially the same thing - the plot extended right into the senior reaches of the Trump administration. The only plausible defence is that the offences are not sufficently serious to merit impeachment and I expect Mitch and his friends to ignore Trump’s nonsense about a perfect call and take that line on the Senate floor. The whole thing is a waste of effort seeing how it will end up. A vote of censure would have been a better move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 2 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said: Do Republicans require a Trump confession before they consider this conspiracy to be real? No....this is purely political....no confession needed or required. Trump gets to remain president, and the Democrats have to beat him the old fashioned way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Even if that were true, the Democrats failed to prove their case with first hand evidence. They can still have the impeachment they have sought since January 2017, but no way the Senate rolls over and removes Trump. This is pure political theater on both sides. Trump still has succeeded in labeling Joe Biden as the corrupt candidate that some Democrats will walk away from, forcing more of a lefty socialist for the 2020 rumble. The GOP will make a spectacle of Biden and others as witnesses in the Senate if there is a trial, where they control the show. This is pure political theater on both sides with a predetermined outcome. See the swing voters will walk away from Biden, but the Democrats look like they are giving him a pass, none of this Ukraine stuff has cut into his support at all in the primaries, he's remained remarkably stable. If his opponents were stronger they'd be able to take advantage, but they are weak. Edited November 23, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: See the swing voters will walk away from Biden, but the Democrats look like they are giving him a pass, none of this Ukraine stuff has cut his support at all in the primaries, he's remained remarkably stable. That's all Trump needs to compete in the 15 states that matter for 2020. Biden has taken hits on continuing deportations and cannabis legalization....the Democrats are not going to get rid of their circular firing squad. Trump was never suppose to be president in the first place, but after all his policies and antics, he remains a viable incumbent for 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: That's all Trump needs to compete in the 15 states that matter for 2020. Biden has taken hits on continuing deportations and cannabis legalization....the Democrats are not going to get rid of their circular firing squad. Trump was never suppose to be president in the first place, but after all his policies and antics, he remains a viable incumbent for 2020. Those hits haven't effected his support among Democrat primary voters, they haven't moved the needle at all. The circular firing squad is dragging Biden to the left, but they are hurting him with swing voters and independents, not with Democrats. The Democrats are giving him a pass, or at least a good chunk of them are, enough to probably win the nomination, if Biden brings himself down in these primaries, it will be because of something he has yet to happen, not something he has already happened. Claims of Biden having no chance have been greatly exaggerated, dude is the clear frontrunner. Edited November 23, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Those hits haven't effected his support among Democrat primary voters, they haven't moved the needle at all. The circular firing squad is dragging Biden to the left, but they are hurting him with swing voters and independents, not with Democrats. The Democrats are giving him a pass, if Biden brings himself down in these primaries, it will be because of something he has yet to do, not something he has already done. Biden has already lost before (1988, 2008). He is only attractive now as a moderate Trump slayer, not a hero for left shifting Democrat ideology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Biden has already lost before (1988, 2008). He is only attractive now as a moderate Trump slayer, not a hero for left shifting Democrat ideology. Biden faced tougher fields in 1988 and 2008, and in neither of those races did he have Obama's VP on his resume. The 2020 Dem Primary contenders are as soft as baby poop. There is no Obama, there is no Clinton in this field. He doesn't need to be a hero of the AOC crowd to win this primary, apparently he just needs to have been Obama's VP and more electable than the rest of the chumps, which remains true. Edited November 23, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 9 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: He doesn't need to be a hero of the AOC crowd to win this primary, apparently he just needs to have been Obama's VP and more electable than the rest of the chumps, which remains true. Then he will have to re-learn how to survive a back-stabbing, virtue signaling Democratic primary campaign, including convention floor fights. Democrats like to crow that theirs is a "big-tent" party, and that means lots of fighting within. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Then he will have to re-learn how to survive a back-stabbing, virtue signaling Democratic primary campaign, including convention floor fights. Democrats like to crow that theirs is a "big-tent" party, and that means lots of fighting within. He has survived it up until this point, what makes you think he can't? It's not like any of these other candidates has a better chance of survival. If you examine Biden in a vacuum, you'll be under the false impression that he's been doomed since he announced and can't win the nomination, if you grade him on a curve against his actual competition however, you'll see he's the obvious frontrunner, because the competition just ain't that tough. Candidates don't run in a vacuum, they run against other candidates, and the other candidates are far more "doomed" than he is in this nomination process. Edited November 23, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: He has survived it up until this point, what makes you think he can't? It's not like any of these other candidates has a better chance of survival. If you examine Biden in a vacuum, you'll be under the false impression that he's been doomed since he announced, grade him on a curve against his actual competition however, and you'll see he's the obvious frontrunner. Have you seen Joe Biden on the campaign trail ? He is a shell of his former self and not the best choice for a grueling primary or general election campaign. Bernie's old heart already tapped out. Obama has warned the Dems to calm down...no Biden endorsement (but he did endorse Trudeau!). An American presidential campaign brutally separates the contenders from the pretenders. The spectacle and carnage has only just begun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Have you seen Joe Biden on the campaign trail ? He is a shell of his former self and not the best choice for a grueling primary or general election campaign. Bernie's old heart already tapped out. Obama has warned the Dems to calm down...no Biden endorsement (but he did endorse Trudeau!). An American presidential campaign brutally separates the contenders from the pretenders. The spectacle and carnage has only just begun. Yes I've seen Biden on the campaign trail. I have also seen his competition on the campaign trail and they are shell of his current self. Again, stop looking at Biden's flaws in a vacuum, start looking at Biden's flaws compared to those of his competition. He is actually the best candidate for the primary and general election, because his competition is worse than he is. He's still going to lose, but the others would lose even worse. Now if Democrats were smart, they just go with champion of the AOC crowd and tank to discredit the Democrats leftward lurch, but Democrats are not that smart, and they are deluded to think they can actually win, so they won't do that, which results in Biden by default. Edited November 23, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Yes I've seen Biden on the campaign trail. I have also seen his competition on the campaign trail and they are shell of his current self. Democrats will have to weigh the advantage of Biden's "competence" with the disadvantages of his gaffes and alleged dementia. The elections don't care....compete or bow out. No sympathy....no excuses. The loser gets to write a book. Quote His eyes fall to the floor when I ask him to describe it. We’ve been tiptoeing toward it for 45 minutes, and so far, every time he seems close, he backs away, or leads us in a new direction. There are competing theories in the press, but Joe Biden has kept mum on the subject. I want to hear him explain it. I ask him to walk me through the night he appeared to lose control of his words onstage. “I—um—I don’t remember,” Biden says. His voice has that familiar shake, the creak and the croak. “I’d have to see it. I-I-I don’t remember.” https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/01/joe-biden-stutter-profile/602401/?utm_medium=offsite&utm_source=yahoo&utm_campaign=yahoo-non-hosted&yptr=yahoo Edited November 23, 2019 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Democrats will have to weigh the advantage of Biden's "competence" with the disadvantages of his gaffes and alleged dementia. The elections don't care....compete or bow out. No sympathy....no excuses. The loser gets to write a book. Democrats have weighed it already, and the gaffes and alleged dementia haven't moved the needle at all. It's not like it's a new development dude. Edited November 23, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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