egghead Posted August 30, 2019 Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 27 minutes ago, GostHacked said: Sanders has put out an amazing tweet today with the line : "If the environment were a bank it would have been saved already." He is 100% correct! haha, why did he say environment, not climate? May be Obama will buy a beachfront house don't help the narrative. Actually, I think he is wrong. US had been torpedoed foreign banks to create crises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egghead Posted August 30, 2019 Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 50 minutes ago, GostHacked said: Damn what the F. MODs FIX this pls. How did you manage to combine these two threads? Did you even read them? mod just wants to silence the topics that mod believes too TMZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted August 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 28 minutes ago, egghead said: haha, why did he say environment, not climate? May be Obama will buy a beachfront house don't help the narrative. Actually, I think he is wrong. US had been torpedoed foreign banks to create crises. You are missing the point. Troubled banks and financial institutions get bail outs. Caring about the environment means nothing to the current status quo that runs in the US government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egghead Posted August 30, 2019 Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, GostHacked said: You are missing the point. Troubled banks and financial institutions get bail outs. Caring about the environment means nothing to the current status quo that runs in the US government. lehman brothers means something to you. I understand what he means. I am saying he is wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted August 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, egghead said: lehman brothers means something to you. I understand what he means. I am saying he is wrong That only proves his point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egghead Posted August 30, 2019 Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 44 minutes ago, GostHacked said: That only proves his point. lehman brothers was down, no gov't $. hmm, I think I used the wrong word. I should say "delude." He just finds that a sea turtle with straw is a better sell than a melting ice caps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted August 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 Killer Mike does a better interview with Sanders than most main stream media.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted August 30, 2019 Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 1 hour ago, egghead said: lehman brothers was down, no gov't $. Lehman and Bear going down was one of the greatest moments in the history of the stock market. Proof that the underlying free market works, and it is only the intervention of government that it is distorted. Other investment banks would have sprung from the ashes as phoenix, creative destruction, if the government had not been picking winners and losers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egghead Posted August 30, 2019 Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Lehman and Bear going down was one of the greatest moments in the history of the stock market. Proof that the underlying free market works, and it is only the intervention of government that it is distorted. Other investment banks would have sprung from the ashes as phoenix, creative destruction, if the government had not been picking winners and losers. C'mon, we know gov't picked winners and losers. Did you read what Benrine write? BTW, if he were POTUS, he would distort everything Edited August 30, 2019 by egghead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted August 30, 2019 Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, egghead said: C'mon, did you read what Benrine write? BTW, if he were POTUS, he would distort everything Bernanke was operating in good faith, he was the one chosen by the Best & Brightest to be the man in charge of knowing what to do in case of a Depression. He split the baby, which is an understandable impulse, but hey, nobody ever said he was Napoleon Bonaparte, he was subject to political pressure which induced him to fudge it instead of letting the market find a price and then have faith for it to reorder itself by creative destruction, without having to resort to the moral hazard of a policy stimulus incited monstrous global debt bomb, although Bernanke did not say they should make QE the new normal, it was just supposed to be an immediate action short term measure to get the cash flowing again, so they ain't even following Bernanke now, they are in totally uncharted leverage waters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egghead Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 Just now, Dougie93 said: Bernanke was operating in good faith, he was the one chosen by the Best & Brightest to be the man in charge of knowing what to do in case of a Depression. He split the baby, which is an understandable impulse, but hey, nobody ever said he was Napoleon Bonaparte, he was subject to political pressure which induced him to fudge it instead of letting the market find a price and then have faith for it to reorder itself by creative destruction, without having to resort to the moral hazard of a policy stimulus incited monstrous global debt bomb, although Bernanke did not say they should make QE the new normal, it was just supposed to be an immediate action short term measure to get the cash flowing again, so they ain't even following Bernanke now, they are in totally uncharted leverage waters. you know, now I don't know is he dumb, good faith or alternative Anyway, I think the dangerous with Bernie is not his progressive left view. It is his kumbaya tunnel vision, very easy to manipulate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 1 minute ago, egghead said: you know, now I don't know is he dumb, good faith or alternative Anyway, I think the dangerous with Bernie is not his progressive left view. It is his kumbaya tunnel vision, very easy to manipulate. Are you talking Bernie Sanders? Sanders would at least incite another market crash soon as it was clear that he was going to win More of an irrational panic than anything, since Sanders couldn't really get any of his commie stuff past the congress and the courts. None the less, corrections are a good thing, anything that incites a correction at this point is a boon in of itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egghead Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 16 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Are you talking Bernie Sanders? Sanders would at least incite another market crash soon as it was clear that he was going to win More of an irrational panic than anything, since Sanders couldn't really get any of his commie stuff past the congress and the courts. None the less, corrections are a good thing, anything that incites a correction at this point is a boon in of itself. sry my bad, I mean Bernie Sanders, I don't know is Sanders dumb, good faith or alternative? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 Just now, egghead said: sry my bad, I mean Bernie Sanders, I don't know is Sanders dumb, good faith or alternative? Worst sort of communist, lives by the free market while cynically extolling the virtues of Marxist-Leninism to the young, impressionable and naive. I can only respect a Communist who has the courage of their convictions to liquidate millions as necessary to acheive the World Socialist Revolution. The dogma which Sanders propagates is called Socialism in One Country, which is actually a policy founded by Stalin as a way of throwing World Socialism under the bus. Fear not though, as I said, he wouldn't have any hope of getting any of that commie crap past congress and the courts, so he's selling tickets to heaven which will never be redeemed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 Even the Democrats wanted to stop Bernie Sanders, robbing him of any chance at winning the 2016 party nomination in favour of Hillary Clinton. The "progressives" cannot win the presidency by themselves...not enough votes in contested states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted August 31, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 CHARLES FIX THIS FUCKING THREAD! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egghead Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 57 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Even the Democrats wanted to stop Bernie Sanders, robbing him of any chance at winning the 2016 party nomination in favour of Hillary Clinton. The "progressives" cannot win the presidency by themselves...not enough votes in contested states. The funny thing is that Sanders would win 2016. Dems + "progressives" should beat Trumps + Rep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, egghead said: The funny thing is that Sanders would win 2016. Dems + "progressives" should beat Trumps + Rep Nope.....Sanders would have lost to Trump in 2016 too. Quote Why did Sanders underperform Clinton significantly throughout 2016—first in the primaries, and then with his candidates and initiatives in the general? If Sanders’ platform and candidates had lost, but performed better than Clinton, than that would be an indicator that perhaps he was on to something. If they had actually won, then he could really claim to have momentum. But instead, we saw the opposite result: Sanders’ platform lost, and lost by much bigger margins than Clinton did. It even lost in states Clinton won big. What does that tell us about the future of the Democratic Party? Well, perhaps we need to acknowledge that the Bernie Sanders’ platform just isn’t as popular as it’s made out to be. No, Bernie Sanders Would Not Have Beaten Trump Edited August 31, 2019 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egghead Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 43 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Nope.....Sanders would have lost to Trump in 2016 too. No, Bernie Sanders Would Not Have Beaten Trump you may be right. Having said that, it really depended on how many modest dems came out to vote for Sanders. The reps came out and they voted for Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, egghead said: you may be right. Having said that, it really depended on how many modest dems came out to vote for Sanders. The reps came out and they voted for Trump. Bernie Sanders' progressive socialism does not translate into enough campaign contributions or voters. The Democratic party is not all progressive socialists...that is just a minor wing of the party going back to losers like Sen. George McGovern in 1972. The U.S. is a conservative nation compared to many others, with Democrats being just slightly left of Conservatives in Canada. (Blue collar Democrats ran to Ronald Reagan in the 1980's.) Bottom line: Both Trump and Sanders made lots of noise...but Trump did a much better job of consistently selling his message. Edited August 31, 2019 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, GostHacked said: Biden's a right off. He can't string words together. Kind of like how Bush Jr stumbled on many many many words. Bush won two presidential elections. Writing Biden off in the Democrat Primary is wishful thinking, or at least jumping the gun. Edited August 31, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egghead Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said: Bush won two presidential elections. Writing Biden off in the Democrat Primary is wishful thinking, or at least jumping the gun. I will not write him off (China does not write him off too ). If he is POTUS, he will win both EC and popular vote. US will be unrest in the first 2 years. Progressive will make an-all out effort to turn the country to the left (gun ctl, open borders, green new deal, medical care for all ...), and modest will want to roll back to pre-trump day (WTO, peace talks, UN, Globalization ....). May be USA will let China has mask aligner finally since Trumps burned theirs. On the other hand , Reps have their own soul searching. At the end, who will be his VP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 17 minutes ago, egghead said: I will not write him off (China does not write him off too ). If he is POTUS, he will win both EC and popular vote. US will be unrest in the first 2 years. Progressive will make an-all out effort to turn the country to the left (gun ctl, open borders, green new deal, medical care for all ...), and modest will want to roll back to pre-trump day (WTO, peace talks, UN, Globalization ....). May be USA will let China has mask aligner finally since Trumps burned theirs. On the other hand , Reps have their own soul searching. At the end, who will be his VP? If he picks AOC, that would make for maximum lulz, unfortunately I don't think Biden wants to lose almost every state, but it's hilarious to think about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egghead Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 7 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: If he picks AOC, that would make for maximum lulz, unfortunately I don't think Biden wants to lose almost every state, but it's hilarious to think about. For me, it would be Bernie Sanders. First, it shows the Dems are as conservative as Reps, still an old white men club. Then, we have Biden, Bernie, Pelosi, Schumer (??) ... vs AOC+3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, egghead said: For me, it would be Bernie Sanders. First, it shows the Dems are as conservative as Reps, still an old white men club. Then, we have Biden, Bernie, Pelosi, Schumer (??) ... vs AOC+3 Bernie would be a terrible pick, Biden needs to run to the center in the general election, not the left. Would be a very humorous pick though, just like AOC. Edited August 31, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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