Bill C69 is harmful

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, egghead said:

Do you know that killing yourself will cure your influenza infection? Thinking otherwise ignores THE TRUTH. 

climate changing is a fact (hey, ice age, glacial period.....), but thinking that no fossil fuel consumption will help (what???) certainly is ignorance.

Did it ever occur to you that the concern about climate change is the rate at which burning fossil fuels is changing it?  Here's a clue, its one hell of a lot faster than an ice age.  Less consumption will definitely slow that rate down.  Thinking otherwise deny's simple grade school science.

[Queenmandy85]

35 minutes ago, egghead said:

Are you contradicting yourself or are you saying BCer are loony?

They elected an NDP government run by 3 Greens. That's pretty loony to me. As for the LNG, it is not so likely to wreck a valley as bitumen.

 

43 minutes ago, egghead said:

I worked in the oil industry and it is not that simple for unemployed workers to change field.

In high school, we were  taught to be prepared to have multiple careers.  I have worked in the forest industry, consumer lending, surveying, lab technician and as a Peace Officer.  Resource extraction is cyclical. Before going in to it, you would think having a couple of back up credentials would be essential. I recognize changing careers is a pain but when work dries up in one place, it is usually booming in another. 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, egghead said:

I worked in the oil industry and it is not that simple for unemployed workers to change field.

I've worked as a logger, fisherman, shore-worker, aquaculturalist, biologist's assistant, environmental works dept supervisor, vessel master and now I work in tourism.  Going back to school is kind of a never-ending process.

Don't say it can't be done to people who're doing it.

[egghead]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

I've worked as a logger, fisherman, shore-worker, aquaculturalist, biologist's assistant, environmental works dept supervisor, vessel master and now I work in tourism.  Going back to school is kind of a never-ending process.

Don't say it can't be done to people who're doing it.

sry man, a rolling stone gathers no moss  , first of all, why do you want them to change field? are we in a communist state?

Anyway, I changed field after I moved back to west. I can tell you that oil industry is different from other fields.

[egghead]

4 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

They elected an NDP government run by 3 Greens. That's pretty loony to me. As for the LNG, it is not so likely to wreck a valley as bitumen.

 

In high school, we were  taught to be prepared to have multiple careers.  I have worked in the forest industry, consumer lending, surveying, lab technician and as a Peace Officer.  Resource extraction is cyclical. Before going in to it, you would think having a couple of back up credentials would be essential. I recognize changing careers is a pain but when work dries up in one place, it is usually booming in another. 

I have a problem to understand why it is dying?

Without that 3 greens, NDP government will be gone tmw. In term of LNG, I will not hold my breath because of fracking, God help us all 

[cougar]

7 hours ago, Argus said:

 It's up against pretty much zero in damage.

 

What is the cost do deal with all abandoned wells and rigs in Alberta?  What is the cost of all our salmon, the tourist industry, our water, air and quality of life?  Yes, I pulled the figure right outta my ass but it is still more accurate than what comes out of yours.

[egghead]

17 hours ago, eyeball said:

Did it ever occur to you that the concern about climate change is the rate at which burning fossil fuels is changing it?  Here's a clue, its one hell of a lot faster than an ice age.  Less consumption will definitely slow that rate down.  Thinking otherwise deny's simple grade school science.

Don't know grade schools are inclusion now.

No one knows the proper changing rate. Environment impact may or may not chang the rate of the climate changing rate 

Edited May 6, 2019 by egghead

[Realitycheck]

On 5/4/2019 at 3:55 PM, Army Guy said:

Yes that is exactly what I'm saying, Alberta resources are what fuels THE ENTIRE NATIONS economy, so do I think that  trumps BC desire to protect their environment ,YES, do I think BC should be holding this nation hostage because of a few tree huggers, NO, the fact that most BC's er that are effected by the pipeline have already made a deal to bring in funding and additional resources and jobs into their districts....Including the people of wet sum or what ever it's called, those few that are holding out are doing so to get a better deal, not because they want to save the planet....where are they when bils of liters of sewage are pumped into the ocean everyday...

Lets forget Justin and is merry gang of clowns for now, they are done......Do you think the cons are not going to use every measure in their power to drive this pipeline through, the law already states that this can be done, without the few holdouts permission....and yes the cons will gain even more support in Alberta, and yes pick up more seats in BC, not every bc is a tree hugger, some even like going to the pump and paying  below 1.70 a liter....

Like I said before the NATION is tired of BC and Quebec holding the nation hostage, will the cons win any more seats , the answer is how many more seats will the gain across the nation for taking some action in regards to pipelines.....stop the funding of the 40 Bil LNG plant will get their attention, cut any other funding and they will be phoning the PM on how we can proceed with the twinning of the pipeline....

a large minority of BC'ers will be getting arrested, end of story, The PM is already declared it in the nations interest, the Con will have the balls to push on with this wait and see. I know that is the battle cry of the greens and the hesitant NDP, but the rest of the nation does not give a rats ass, the world is still driven by oil, with no viable replacement anytime soon, that is cheap enough to make a difference. Why not profit from those resources while they are still here....

And when BC does not cooperate, and Alberta slowly reduces the flow, and your fuel goes over 3,00 a liter you'll be begging for a pipeline...and you will be riding a bike to and from work....and heating your home with nice thoughts, and good wishes...while the rest of the world is swimming in fossil fuels....because we can't drive 55..... 

Polls show better than 60% of us want the pipeline. The NDP, rather than serve the public, are serving their desperate need to stay in power by collectively sucking Weaver's shrivelled Green dick.  

[WestCanMan]

On 5/4/2019 at 2:33 PM, Argus said:

And how many people have died because of the side effects of pollution caused by the internal combustion engine? For that matter, how many have died in car accidents? We accept these deaths as the price to be paid for the benefits we get.

Not even a comparison. It's basically zero, and radiation sickness is a horrible death.

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Chernobyl was 1950s technology run by Russians, half of whom seem to be alcoholics. I'm pretty sure we can make them safer today.

Lol. 

[Argus]

51 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Not even a comparison. It's basically zero, and radiation sickness is a horrible death.

Zero? There have been no deaths because of traffic accidents? No deaths because of the pollution pouring out of car exhausts? I think you're hugely mistaken there.

51 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Lol. 

You find it amusing to think that technology and safeguards might be somewhat improved 70 years later?

[Argus]

12 hours ago, cougar said:

What is the cost do deal with all abandoned wells and rigs in Alberta?  What is the cost of all our salmon, the tourist industry, our water, air and quality of life?  Yes, I pulled the figure right outta my ass but it is still more accurate than what comes out of yours.

My  costs came from a citation posted earlier. Yours are imaginary, much like your shrill complaints about the doom brought about by the oil sands. 

[WestCanMan]

28 minutes ago, Argus said:

Zero? There have been no deaths because of traffic accidents? No deaths because of the pollution pouring out of car exhausts? I think you're hugely mistaken there.

 

Traffic accidents have nothing to do with this conversation Argus, and the burden of proof re: deaths from traffic pollution is on you.

It's not something that you can just s'pose on and I have to disprove. 

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You find it amusing to think that technology and safeguards might be somewhat improved 70 years later?

It also happened in Japan.

The problem with these things is that once they're up and running we become entirely dependent on them, and as is the case in Japan, they knew it needed to go offline for a serious overhaul and they just didn't. 

[Argus]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Traffic accidents have nothing to do with this conversation Argus, and the burden of proof re: deaths from traffic pollution is on you.

We accept the deaths from traffic accidents as the cost of doing business. I'm not sure how much pollution from the tailpipes of cars, trucks and buses have contributed to a variety of deaths over the years but I'm betting it's considerable. Especially before we took lead out of the gas.

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

It also happened in Japan.

Not really. Japan's reactor functioned fine. What happened was the combination of an earthquake and a tsunami. And it would have survived that too if only they'd put the backup generator somewhere other than the basement. 

I"m not worried about us having an earthquake and a tsunami.

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The problem with these things is that once they're up and running we become entirely dependent on them, and as is the case in Japan, they knew it needed to go offline for a serious overhaul and they just didn't. 

Then we'll just have to be more careful.

[WestCanMan]

37 minutes ago, Argus said:

Not really. Japan's reactor functioned fine. What happened was the combination of an earthquake and a tsunami. And it would have survived that too if only they'd put the backup generator somewhere other than the basement. 

I"m not worried about us having an earthquake and a tsunami.

Yes, but the Japanese should have been worried about that and they weren't. They have 2-3 earthquakes per week in Tokyo that are strong enough to felt by humans and they're an island nation. They shoulda seen it comin' and that's a pretty respectable country.

 

In Canada we need to be concerned about terrorist attacks now. We've had two big ones in Toronto in the past year or so and as a nation we're not doing all that much about terrorism. Do you think that we will never have another attack? Do you think that we will have enough safety precautions in place to keep terrorists from getting jobs at a nuke plant, or from attacking them somehow? Would you trust our current government with the task of making sure our nuclear reactors are a tough target for terrorists?

 

The Japanese have to say "we shoulda been more prepared for quakes". Will Canada one day have to say "Oh that guy just had a few online accounts where he supported terrorism but he didn't actually say he was going to do anything himself, so what could we do?" 

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Then we'll just have to be more careful.

As a species we do stupid things like support dictators, engage in genocide, elect socialist governments or idiots like Trudeau, smoke cigarettes, drive drunk, text and drive, blow up kids at an Ariana Grande concert, find religion, etc. Good luck with that.

 

Edited May 6, 2019 by WestCanMan

[egghead]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

We accept the deaths from traffic accidents as the cost of doing business. I'm not sure how much pollution from the tailpipes of cars, trucks and buses have contributed to a variety of deaths over the years but I'm betting it's considerable. Especially before we took lead out of the gas.

Not really. Japan's reactor functioned fine. What happened was the combination of an earthquake and a tsunami. And it would have survived that too if only they'd put the backup generator somewhere other than the basement. 

I"m not worried about us having an earthquake and a tsunami.

Then we'll just have to be more careful.

The problem with nuclear power has little to do with the power plant accidents. The major issue with nuclear power is the high-level radioactive waste. 

 

Anyway, there is no feasible renewable energy (ya, soiar power and wind power are pie in the sky) in sigh. My $ with be on the fossil fuel and not on the nuclear energy.

 

Edited May 6, 2019 by egghead

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, egghead said:

The problem with nuclear power has little to do with the power plant accidents. The major issue with nuclear power is the high-level radioactive waste. 

The issue with high-level radio-active waste is the corruption and or sheer incompetence of high-level regulatory oversight.  It's the main reason I'm against nuclear power.   

There's little to no reason to believe we're capable of improving on this if our capacity to regulate fossil fuels is anything to go by.
 

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Pollution from Canadian refineries an ‘embarrassment’ compared to U.S.

The key culprit behind the Canada/U.S. emissions gap, say experts, is less rigorous industry regulation and enforcement in Canada.

 

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Oilsands CO2 emissions may be far higher than companies report, scientists say

In results published today in the journal Nature Communications, the scientists say the air samples from just those surface mining operations suggest their carbon dioxide emissions are 64 per cent higher, on average, than what the companies themselves report to the federal government using the standard United Nations reporting framework for greenhouse gases.

 

IMHO the greatest threat to public safety is due to the sort of relationships that companies like SNC Lavalin and politicians maintain. 

Edited May 6, 2019 by eyeball

[Army Guy]

8 hours ago, Realitycheck said:

Polls show better than 60% of us want the pipeline. The NDP, rather than serve the public, are serving their desperate need to stay in power by collectively sucking Weaver's shrivelled Green dick.  

Then you guys in BC should be going down to these blockades and removing the protestors peacefully, and put this country back on track... odds are Justin is paying them anyways....

[Zeitgeist]

Diane Francis pretty much sums up the problems with this bill and the direction the Libs have taken the country:

https://business.financialpost.com/diane-francis/this-goofy-clause-in-bill-c-69-will-ensure-resource-development-in-canada-stops-cold

[Dougie93]

On 5/4/2019 at 6:55 PM, Army Guy said:

Yes that is exactly what I'm saying, Alberta resources are what fuels THE ENTIRE NATIONS economy

I don't need Alberta's dirty bitumen, all that it funds is boondoggles for Ottawa and bribes for Quebec.

Fuck Alberta.

Don't look to the Canadian economy to save you, the prosperity comes from the Americans.

[Argus]

28 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Diane Francis pretty much sums up the problems with this bill and the direction the Libs have taken the country:

https://business.financialpost.com/diane-francis/this-goofy-clause-in-bill-c-69-will-ensure-resource-development-in-canada-stops-cold

And I think this is the sort of thing which is going to hammer them in October. Because no matter what the economy is doing right now Canadians are worried about its future under the control of these idiots.

[Realitycheck]

6 minutes ago, Argus said:

And I think this is the sort of thing which is going to hammer them in October. Because no matter what the economy is doing right now Canadians are worried about its future under the control of these idiots.

The economy is thriving under these idiots. Under Reform? I doubt it.

[Zeitgeist]

People are losing jobs by the thousands in the oil patch and the Libs are talking intersectionality.  It’s like showing up to a hunting expedition in a Speedo.  

[Argus]

4 hours ago, Realitycheck said:

The economy is thriving under these idiots. Under Reform? I doubt it.

Is it? Do you honestly believe we went from losing 7,000 jobs in March to gaining over 100,000 in April, the greatest rise since 1976? 

How come wages aren't rising if business is booming and there are so few unemployed? Why are they stagnant? I think these statistics are bullshit.

[eyeball]

On 5/6/2019 at 5:27 PM, Army Guy said:

Then you guys in BC should be going down to these blockades and removing the protestors peacefully, and put this country back on track... odds are Justin is paying them anyways....

I'll be there to blockade the protest removers.

Screw Justin too.

[Nefarious Banana]

On 5/5/2019 at 7:16 PM, egghead said:

I have a problem to understand why it is dying?

Without that 3 greens, NDP government will be gone tmw. In term of LNG, I will not hold my breath because of fracking, God help us all 

Your speculation is as relevant as mine . . .

I think Horgan could win an election without the Green Party.

Weaver just isn't taken seriously . . . . he's against everything.