August1991 Posted March 28, 2019 Report Posted March 28, 2019 I wonder about this. The Chinese language/culture has existed for about 5000 years. The Islam religion, about 1300 years. Our DNA has existed for much longer. ===== What is sustainable? Quote
John Otis Posted March 28, 2019 Report Posted March 28, 2019 (edited) Our DNA. Edited March 28, 2019 by Charles Anthony deleted re-copied Opening Post Quote
Michael Hardner Posted March 28, 2019 Report Posted March 28, 2019 7 hours ago, August1991 said: What is sustainable? Organizational ideas such as religions/nations are at odds with our DNA, so DNA wins. But survivalism itself is not sustainable any more: we're not starving - too much food is a bigger problem than not enough nations are more integrated than ever, and war is unaffordable and an anachronism population is declining We are going to have to face the existential crisis that we have succeeded as a race; we have graduated beyond being clever apes Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
OftenWrong Posted March 28, 2019 Report Posted March 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: We are going to have to face the existential crisis that we have succeeded as a race; we have graduated beyond being clever apes Disagree. Many of those problems can be solved. War can be made affordable again. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted March 29, 2019 Report Posted March 29, 2019 12 hours ago, OftenWrong said: War can be made affordable again. Life is becoming more expensive... see the price of insurance. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
OftenWrong Posted March 29, 2019 Report Posted March 29, 2019 21 hours ago, August1991 said: I wonder about this. The Chinese language/culture has existed for about 5000 years. The Islam religion, about 1300 years. Our DNA has existed for much longer. ===== What is sustainable? Those places, cultures existed for so long because they are able to defend themselves militarily. Whatever can defend itself is sustainable. Quote
August1991 Posted April 2, 2019 Author Report Posted April 2, 2019 (edited) On 3/28/2019 at 9:43 PM, OftenWrong said: Those places, cultures existed for so long because they are able to defend themselves militarily. Whatever can defend itself is sustainable. I'm not certain that Islam or China have existed for so long because of military strength. [An aside: Abroad in Spain one time, I argued like you with a friend that the West was right because we had strength. I always felt uncomfortable with that argument.] Islam has existed unchanged in part because the Koran was written at a time when it was possible to maintain a written record. Unlike Hindus, Jews, Christians or Buddhists, Muslims can argue that the Koran is the exact word of God as stated about 1300 years ago. (Admittedly, this is both a blessing and a curse.) China? The Chinese language has surely changed in the past 5000 years and Chinese culture too. Think only of Confucianism. But certain basic Chinese characters - like the word for number one in English - have roots millenia ago. But unlike the Europeans, the Chinese have a point: no Briton today could identify in any meaningful way with someone alive at the time of Stonehenge. Or a French person alive now with a Carnac stone/monolith. ===== Anyway, in my OP, I was thinking of something else: the US Constitution is a remarkable document. It is almost 250 years old and unlike Chinese culture/language, it is clearly stated. But unlike the Koran, it can be amended. Edited April 2, 2019 by August1991 Quote
GostHacked Posted April 3, 2019 Report Posted April 3, 2019 Are China/Islam Sustainable? English? Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com
WestCanMan Posted April 18, 2019 Report Posted April 18, 2019 On 3/28/2019 at 4:23 AM, Michael Hardner said: we have graduated beyond being clever apes wrong Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Kamala didn't get where she is because of her achievements or anything that came out of her mouth.
eyeball Posted April 18, 2019 Report Posted April 18, 2019 On 3/28/2019 at 6:14 PM, Michael Hardner said: Life is becoming more expensive... see the price of insurance. Can you buy insurance for war protection? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
August1991 Posted April 28, 2019 Author Report Posted April 28, 2019 (edited) WestCanMan, I strongly disagree. I have no problem with a President Ocasio-Cortez. We have had a President Trump. The US Constitution can likely survive both - even a civil war. ==== The question is whether the US Constitution will survive longer than the Chinese language or the Orthodox Christian religion or the written-word of God, the Koran. So far, it has lasted longer than the Soviet Union. Edited April 28, 2019 by August1991 Quote
August1991 Posted May 2, 2019 Author Report Posted May 2, 2019 (edited) Compared to the Koran and the supposed "word of God" from 1300 years ago, I reckon the 300 year old US Constitution will survive longer, First, the US Constitution makes no claim to being the "word of God". Second, the US Constitution can be amended - heck, it was amended at its origin. ==== Maybe I'm wrong. Edited May 2, 2019 by August1991 Quote
August1991 Posted May 2, 2019 Author Report Posted May 2, 2019 (edited) The first 10 or so amendments to the US federal constitution were important, set a precedent of change. Some 100 years later, the 13/14/15 amendments were a remarkable change. It possibly made the US Constitution a true document. ===== I feel like a law teacher, setting an exam: To have a civilised society, what is best? a) a single clear written document, subject to amendment b) many various documents, subject to opinion Edited May 2, 2019 by August1991 Quote
Alex Reese Posted June 15, 2019 Report Posted June 15, 2019 Everything is sustainable and compatible if you have an open mind. Quote
August1991 Posted July 3, 2020 Author Report Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) On 6/15/2019 at 7:41 AM, Alex Reese said: Everything is sustainable and compatible if you have an open mind. Sustainable? Think of the British royal family. I'd like to see a DNA test of Queen Elizabeth II - the woman on my money - and, uh, Richard III. Compatible with what? ==== Nowadays, so many people around the world want to speak English. Why? The Beatles? America? Shakespeare? ============ Make no mistake: among the several billion people on this planet, few are learning Chinese as a second language; Arabic, only for prayer. Far more people want to learn English - a European language. Edited July 3, 2020 by August1991 Quote
Adam1980 Posted November 9, 2020 Report Posted November 9, 2020 On 7/2/2020 at 11:24 PM, August1991 said: Make no mistake: among the several billion people on this planet, few are learning Chinese as a second language; Arabic, only for prayer. Far more people want to learn English - a European language. So would you say that's a, or one of the metrics for sustainability? Language and it's relative success? Quote
August1991 Posted November 9, 2020 Author Report Posted November 9, 2020 On 4/3/2019 at 7:29 AM, GostHacked said: Are China/Islam Sustainable? English? You have to understand exponential growth, uh mathematics. The guys who wrote the US Constitution knew about Newton. Politicians like Putin? Xi? Americans are centuries ahead of Russia/China. Islam? Gimme a break. ===== Around the world, some 8 billion people, what is everyone holding in their hand? Why? An American created this device. Quote
Cannucklehead Posted November 9, 2020 Report Posted November 9, 2020 1 hour ago, August1991 said: You have to understand exponential growth, uh mathematics. The guys who wrote the US Constitution knew about Newton. Politicians like Putin? Xi? Americans are centuries ahead of Russia/China. Islam? Gimme a break. ===== Around the world, some 8 billion people, what is everyone holding in their hand? Why? An American created this device. In 1917 Finnish inventor Eric Tigerstedt filed a patent for a "pocket-size folding telephone with a very thin carbon microphone". More like stole it. Quote
August1991 Posted November 9, 2020 Author Report Posted November 9, 2020 47 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said: In 1917 Finnish inventor Eric Tigerstedt filed a patent for a "pocket-size folding telephone with a very thin carbon microphone". More like stole it. Gimme a break. ===== Between a waterfall in Labrador and a light in Boston, there is a great distance. But between a touchscreen with icons, and illiterate people, there is a greater distance. Canucklehead: Finland? Some Finns maybe. Make no mistake, America made it possible for individuals to do this. Xi and Putin cannot do this. Trump can't do this. America is the place where individuals can be free. Quote
Cannucklehead Posted November 9, 2020 Report Posted November 9, 2020 2 hours ago, August1991 said: Gimme a break. ===== Between a waterfall in Labrador and a light in Boston, there is a great distance. But between a touchscreen with icons, and illiterate people, there is a greater distance. Canucklehead: Finland? Some Finns maybe. Make no mistake, America made it possible for individuals to do this. Xi and Putin cannot do this. Trump can't do this. America is the place where individuals can be free. https://historythings.com/the-history-of-the-cellphone/ https://www.google.ca/amp/s/bypass.theweek.com/articles-amp/925896/what-americans-are-finally-learning-about-freedom True, it is more so than China and Russia, but not to many other parts of the world. Even at its inception there was no freedom for non whites. Quote
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