cannuck Posted April 6, 2019 Report Posted April 6, 2019 26 minutes ago, Owly said: I think there is a difference between disrupting status quo and causing havoc, which it seems what he has done so far. And why do you worship a man who lies so constantly? That's funny: I was about to ask you the same thing.
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 6, 2019 Report Posted April 6, 2019 Long before Trump...and after Trump...'far right' groups...Canadian style: Quote Establishing what exactly has led to the far right’s growth is difficult. Although some say Trump’s rhetoric has fueled Canada’s hate groups, Canadian extremists have long borrowed far-right narratives from Europe and the United States. ... Canadians also face similar anxieties over immigration and identity that have boosted the far right in other countries. ... Canada has become a hub for far-right media, and several Canadians are “alt-right” darlings. The country’s Rebel Media has provided a launchpad for white nationalist, anti-Islam activists and bloggers who espouse hate and conspiracy theories. Canada has its own ecosystem of podcasts, forums and Facebook groups that rail against Muslims, feminists and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s liberal government. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/canada-far-right-extremism-trump_n_5b057d63e4b07c4ea103fa86 1 Economics trumps Virtue.
Owly Posted April 6, 2019 Report Posted April 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, cannuck said: That's funny: I was about to ask you the same thing. It's not me you need to ask. Perhaps redirect your query to the proper source.
cannuck Posted April 6, 2019 Report Posted April 6, 2019 Just now, Owly said: It's not me you need to ask. Perhaps redirect your query to the proper source. You seem to be one of only a tiny handful worshiping the lying sack of ... well, Mr. Dressup.
Owly Posted April 6, 2019 Report Posted April 6, 2019 5 minutes ago, cannuck said: You seem to be one of only a tiny handful worshiping the lying sack of ... well, Mr. Dressup. I think you're on the wrong thread yet again. 1
eyeball Posted April 6, 2019 Report Posted April 6, 2019 (edited) 41 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Long before Trump...and after Trump...'far right' groups...Canadian style: That's okay, the pendulum will swing the other way again and while our species may stumble and take two steps back on occasion the trend, as evidenced by the fact we don't live in the trees anymore, is clear. It keeps swinging away from fearfulness and conservatism - its called evolution. Its like reality itself has a progressive bias. Edited April 6, 2019 by eyeball 1 I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Michael Hardner Posted April 6, 2019 Report Posted April 6, 2019 6 hours ago, Argus said: 1. Economic orthodoxy requires evidence based facts. And we have very little of that to support the contention it is even very helpful to the economy. 2. As to big business, yes. Big business loves the flow of newcomers desperate for jobs who help keep wages down. It loves an inflow of already trained people so it doesn't have to train anyone. It loves a larger local market. 3. Instead they poach high tech workers from the third world who can't get the necessary visas to go to the US. 1. You're implying that there are few facts supporting the idea that growth via immigration is a good thing, which is a stretch. But not an argument for this thread. 2. Yes those are some of the things. 3. I haven't seen anything to suggest the US tech market is much different than ours. They also import thousands and thousands of foreign workers. Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted April 6, 2019 Report Posted April 6, 2019 6 hours ago, Argus said: Has Bernier ever suggested he would leave the U.N.? He's going strongly anti-UN - see below: Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted April 6, 2019 Report Posted April 6, 2019 6 hours ago, Truth Detector said: That’s a legitimate and reasonable point of view. Not if it's not a viable risk. Then it's scare-mongering. It's like me running on a platform that "religion is driving our policies". Of course it's not, and it's unreasonable for me to make something up that isn't real. Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted April 6, 2019 Report Posted April 6, 2019 6 hours ago, Truth Detector said: And these ideas are the kind of ideas you believe should be banned right? No. Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
WestCanMan Posted April 6, 2019 Report Posted April 6, 2019 On 4/5/2019 at 3:02 PM, Realitycheck said: CNN for, all its faults, is a far more credible news source than Faux or Breitbart. Riiiight. After two years of Russian Collusion BS you still think they're a credible news source. Nuff said. If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
WestCanMan Posted April 6, 2019 Report Posted April 6, 2019 20 hours ago, Argus said: AFAIK 90% of FBI agents are registered Republicans. I'm fairly sure every single FBI director going back to J Edgar Hoover has been a registered Republican. The idea they are affiliated with the Democrats is the stuff of poison kool-aid. That came out wrong. I was referring to right-wing terrorist being the #1 threat back when the extreme right-wingers (KKK) were openly affiliated with the Democrats. If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
WestCanMan Posted April 6, 2019 Report Posted April 6, 2019 19 hours ago, eyeball said: That could be reduced fairly quickly if the West was really keen on doing so but I suspect that would only enrage and boost the numbers of supremacists in the West exponentially. After 1,400 years of islam being what it is, what's going to change it overnight, wise one? If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
WestCanMan Posted April 6, 2019 Report Posted April 6, 2019 16 hours ago, jacee said: All the white supremacists are there, in every city. The 3% - the armed militia - now say they aren't racist and they aren't going to do security at white supremacist rallies anymore. Going straight or going underground? https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/new9wd/the-birth-of-canadas-armed-anti-islamic-patriot-group?utm_source=vicecanadafbca&utm_campaign=global The yellow vests have created a national uniform. Everybody loves a uniform. The yellow uniforms vastly outnumbered by crowds of decent people who oppose hatred, Toronto police recently just kettled them down the subway stairs. You're acting like the majority of people fall into the category of sub-groups who just happen to have the same party affiliation. If there's an islamic terrorist in this country that doesn't vote Liberal they have crap for brains. That doesn't make the majority of Liberal voters terrorists. I guess that might be a bad example because Trudeau actually does support terrorism in a large way, but the Conservatives don't support racism at all. I'll try and think of a better example next time. If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
WestCanMan Posted April 6, 2019 Report Posted April 6, 2019 16 hours ago, jacee said: I think Canadian law and security are handling Islamic terrorism in Canada. But they haven't budgeted to do the same quality of work in sniffing out and preventing far right terrorists. Not all far right groups are terrorists, but they ignite terrorists who tend to linger on the fringe. They know who they are. In Trudeau's current term there were already two large-scale terrorist attacks here. How good of a job are they doing? They're doing a much better job down in the states now under Trump. Under Obama there were muslim terrorist attacks happening all the time. Fort Hood happened the day after Obama was elected. Then they had the Boston bombing, San Bernadino, Pulse night club, Chattanooga, the killings of police officers by BLMers, and the New Jersey/New York garbage can bombs that were a big, co-ordinated attack but luckily didn't kill anyone. The only major muslim terrorist attack on US soil since Trump took over was the truck attack in NYC (ban guns!) Granted, there were some Democrat-inspired attacks (ie attacks on Republican-majority crowds by non-muslims) like the baseball game attack that almsot killed Scalise, and two attacks at country music venues. The attack on the synagogue also fits into this category to some extent because of the support that the Dem party gives to Farrakan. But muslim attacks have slowed down now that the government there isn't afraid to call them what they are. If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
Yzermandius19 Posted April 6, 2019 Report Posted April 6, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Owly said: And that sounds like a lot of fluff to try to deflect from the fact that Trump's actions failed, in this case regarding NK. We all know he will lie to try and cover up for it. I'm not trying to cover for Trump failing in NK, I am agreeing with you. I am just pointing out, that you are picking some pretty terrible battles with Trump, when your go to reason for hating what he's doing with NK is praising or embracing Kim Jung Un, instead of his actual policy regarding NK. Edited April 6, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Yzermandius19 Posted April 6, 2019 Report Posted April 6, 2019 7 hours ago, Argus said: The worst thing about Trump is that he undermines the security of the West in general, as well as the U.S. in particular. The words he uses, as you say, combined with a lazy-minded, arrogant attitude have diminished American power and influence abroad, allowing its enemies to rush into the vacuum. Trump still hasn't even nominated a large number of senior people for State Department posts, and his administration shows a vacuous lack of understanding on how soft power works. As one foreign diplomat in Asia put it, every time there is a major meeting the Americans send one junior staffer and the Chinese sent twenty or thirty people, all authorized to make deals and agreements. Europeans now despise him, and to some degree, America, and the U.S. is becoming the ugly American throughout the world again. Meanwhile Trump farts out tweets that continue to divide Americans and presides over a widely divided congress while presenting them with nothing in the way of realistic policies. His administration has refused to even attempt to do anything about the massive and continuing cyber attacks from China and Russia, which make off with all the expensive new technological defense industry advances the Pentagon pays tens of billions for, and has also refused to do anything about foreign electronic interference in America's election systems. Probably because he presumes he'll be the beneficiary. If some foreigners don't like Donald Trump, that's a feature, not a bug. America's standing on the world stage is doing just fine, even though the President has many haters abroad. Like I say, if your biggest criticism of Trump, is the words the he uses, then you don't have much of a case against him, and are reaching for straws to attack him.
Realitycheck Posted April 6, 2019 Report Posted April 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: If some foreigners don't like Donald Trump, that's a feature, not a bug. America's standing on the world stage is doing just fine, even though the President has many haters abroad. Like I say, if your biggest criticism of Trump, is the words the he uses, then you don't have much of a case against him, and are reaching for straws to attack him. Standing doing fine is it? https://globalnews.ca/news/3973172/donald-trump-us-world-approval-canada/ He and the US are the laughing stock of the entire world because of him. If that is a fine standing, well...
Yzermandius19 Posted April 6, 2019 Report Posted April 6, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Realitycheck said: Standing doing fine is it? https://globalnews.ca/news/3973172/donald-trump-us-world-approval-canada/ He and the US are the laughing stock of the entire world because of him. If that is a fine standing, well... No the US is not the laughing stock of the world, just because some foreigners hate Trump and liked Obama more. Canadians are some of the dumbest anti-Trump folks there are in fact, Trump is the Secret President of Canada, and they are biting the hand that feeds them. Sucking up to the rest of the world, is not how the United States should be conducting itself, anyway. More grasping at straws to attack Trump, approval rating abroad, no one cares, except his haters. Edited April 6, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Realitycheck Posted April 6, 2019 Report Posted April 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: No the US is not the laughing stock of the world, just because some foreigners hate Trump and liked Obama more. Canadians are some of the dumbest anti-Trump folks there are in fact, Trump is the Secret President of Canada, and they are biting the hand that feeds them. Clearly, you are out of your cotton picking mind.
Yzermandius19 Posted April 6, 2019 Report Posted April 6, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Realitycheck said: Clearly, you are out of your cotton picking mind. Clearly you have no good argument against Trump, hence the need to resort to grasping at foreign approval rating straws to attack him. The world doesn't like Trump as much as Obama, because the media hates the former and is in the bag for the later, especially foreign media. Whoop dee do. Canadians hate Trump because he ran as a Republican, if he had run as a Democrat, they'd love him. Same goes with the media, in the bag for democrats, CBC propaganda arm says Orange Man Bad, so Canadians foolishly believe them, but they wouldn't be saying that if he was a Democrat. Edited April 6, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Realitycheck Posted April 6, 2019 Report Posted April 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: Clearly you have no good argument against Trump, hence the need to resort to grasping at foreign approval rating straws to attack him. The world doesn't like Trump as much as Obama, because the media hates the former and is in the bag for the later, whoop dee do. Trump is his own argument and the best witness against him. Shooting a messenger doesn't change the message and you not liking the messenger merely reveals you as a blind devotee of a liar, sexual abuser, deadbeat etc and that too reveals a lot...about you.
Yzermandius19 Posted April 6, 2019 Report Posted April 6, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Realitycheck said: Trump is his own argument and the best witness against him. Shooting a messenger doesn't change the message and you not liking the messenger merely reveals you as a blind devotee of a liar, sexual abuser, deadbeat etc and that too reveals a lot...about you. Pretending that everyone who doesn't bash on Trump 24/7 is an evil person, that's why Trump won. You have no moral high ground, you're just insufferably sanctimonious. Edited April 6, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Realitycheck Posted April 6, 2019 Report Posted April 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Pretending that everyone who doesn't bash on Trump 24/7 is an evil person, that's why Trump won. You have no moral high ground, you're just insufferably sanctimonious. Thanks. I do my best. You on the other hand leave one with a bad taste in one's mouth plumping for a deviate, liying, woman abusing POS.
jacee Posted April 6, 2019 Author Report Posted April 6, 2019 7 hours ago, scribblet said: 1) I'm not going into the round robin of whether or not it's legally binding, if we signed on to it then obviously the PM buys into it and will implement it, given another term or two. 2) It is not inciting hatred to question levels of immigration or to question whether or not we want to bring in people whose values are intrinsically opposed to ours. It is not inciting hatred nor is racist/bigotry to question mass migration and it's impact on our climate/carbon footprint. Obviously the more people the more pollution etc. etc. 3)Is it inciting hatred to protest Brunei's recent laws, is it hatred to say we don't want those values brought here? 4) It is obvious that liberals want to stomp down on any opposing views by assigning labels and calling names and they plan to do it much more obviously now by defining 'hate' on social media then having it deleted. That is, speech that they define as 'hate' which is obviously anyone disagreeing with their policies. 5) What do you say about Muslim parents protesting sex education, is it racist to say they are wrong. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6637445/Muslim-parents-children-school-protest-sex-education-lessons.html 1) It's not legally binding. (Read the link) Don't forget that some displacement of people is entirely Canada's fault - Canadian mining operations in Honduras, for example, have displaced thousands of Indigenous people, "caravans" of migrants currently knocking on Trump's door. Are we offering to take any of the people displaced by Canadian mines? We're not 'innocent victims' of migration. We cause it too. 2) Levels of immigration, sure. Understand the reasons, and do the math on the benefits too. And disaster and refugees happen. "Values" of immigrants? F*ck off. That's xenophobic code for 'no Muslims'. We have freedom of religion. We don't have a values test. A lot of us couldn't pass one either. We have laws. We have law enforcement. We have a justice system. 3) Those laws can't be brought here. And anyone coming her from there is likely escaping them. Why would you harass and incite hatred against them? 4) The laws are fine, inciting and promoting hatred in public or online is not ok. Are you clear on that? 5) Freedom of speech and difference of opinion is fine. Inciting hatred against people because they are Muslim is not. Are you clear on that?
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