Who could effectively oppose Trudeau in the next election?

[Icur12c]

Many Canadians now (I hope) see what the current PM is doing, and many seriously want him gone.  Who could and would run against him?  We know what the UN agreement is about for Trudeau, same as Obama, Trudeau's friend.

[Thinkinoutsidethebox]

Andrew Scheer? Don't know much about him, he makes news when doing damage control when someone in his party does something stupid and to criticize Trudeau. Some polls suggest he's running neck and neck with Trudeau so about fifty percent Trudeau's popularity in the real world. Trudeau still has his looks and that creepy charm that'll attract the young female vote and of course he should do well among new Canadians. 

It's definitely Trudeau's election to lose at the moment. 

Edited December 20, 2018 by Thinkinoutsidethebox

[xul]

Conservatives just need to name Benjamin Harper Harper The 2nd and Harper The 2nd will lead conservatives to defeat Trudeau The 2nd...

Just look Hollywood movies. Terminator 1, Terminator 2....sequels always guarantee the success of box office...LOL

[Queenmandy85]

Mr. Sheer is the only possible candidate to defeat Prime Minister Trudeau. As long as he holds close to the centre and continues to avoid any gaffs, he could pull it off. Basically, Prime Minister Trudeau has to defeat himself.

If Ms. Ambrose was still leader, it would have been a slam dunk.

Edited December 20, 2018 by Queenmandy85

[turningrite]

Who could effectively oppose Trudeau in the next election? At first glance, I thought this was a trick question. It certainly doesn't set a very high bar. But Trudeau is all about image and fluff and he has no equal on these fronts. Sunshine, unicorns and subsidies (i.e. "free" money) funded by endless deficits. What's not to like if you otherwise pay little attention to politics. The real question should be who can effectively attract low-information voters to abandon Trudeau in 2019?

[Hates politicians]

We need that guy from dragons den. I don't remember his name.

[Centerpiece]

8 hours ago, Icur12c said:

Many Canadians now (I hope) see what the current PM is doing, and many seriously want him gone.  Who could and would run against him?  We know what the UN agreement is about for Trudeau, same as Obama, Trudeau's friend.

Do you have some new political party in mind that might spring up - otherwise, you're stuck with who we have - unless Singh gets turfed before the election.....right now, it's Scheer or nobody. That's just the way it works.

[Queenmandy85]

1 hour ago, turningrite said:

Trudeau is all about image and fluff and he has no equal on these fronts. Sunshine, unicorns and subsidies (i.e. "free" money) funded by endless deficits.

I'm told that Prime Minister Harper was all about Storm clouds, dragons and endless deficits. Any government is going to have deficits as long as voters refuse to pay more taxes. Any business owner knows, if revenue does not meet or exceed expenses, you are going to be operating at a law. They will also tell you that to succeed, you have to know the customer (citizen) is always right and you have to give them what they want. 

[Argus]

5 hours ago, Hates politicians said:

We need that guy from dragons den. I don't remember his name.

O'Leary could do it all right. I think, if things continue as they are, Canadians will be longing for a strong, determined, serious person - because Trudeau is none of those things. I wonder how Stephen Harper would poll if people were given the choice today. I bet people would feel more confident in a time when we're being attacked by China and Saudi Arabia and the US, to have someone like Harper in charge instead of the insipid boy wonder.

[Iznogoud]

23 hours ago, Argus said:

O'Leary could do it all right. I think, if things continue as they are, Canadians will be longing for a strong, determined, serious person - because Trudeau is none of those things. I wonder how Stephen Harper would poll if people were given the choice today. I bet people would feel more confident in a time when we're being attacked by China and Saudi Arabia and the US, to have someone like Harper in charge instead of the insipid boy wonder.

O'Leary would be a disaster.  He dropped out of the last race for Conservative leadership when polls showed him trailing badly and also when the polls revealed that most people quite disliked his Ted Cruz personality. 

[Argus]

7 minutes ago, Iznogoud said:

O'Leary would be a disaster.  He dropped out of the last race for Conservative leadership when polls showed him trailing badly and also when the polls revealed that most people quite disliked his Ted Cruz personality. 

I've seen no information to that affect. AFAIK he dropped out because of his lack of French would make it difficult to get tory votes in Quebec. I think a strong personality like O'Leary would be very attractive next to a weak, sensitive twerp like Trudeau when Canada is being bullied by other countries.

[Iznogoud]

4 hours ago, Argus said:

I've seen no information to that affect. AFAIK he dropped out because of his lack of French would make it difficult to get tory votes in Quebec. I think a strong personality like O'Leary would be very attractive next to a weak, sensitive twerp like Trudeau when Canada is being bullied by other countries.

Somehow I doubt O'Leary is the sort of personality Canada needs.  An arrogant bullying style certainly has not worked for Trump in foreign relations. 

[bush_cheney2004]

54 minutes ago, Iznogoud said:

Somehow I doubt O'Leary is the sort of personality Canada needs.  An arrogant bullying style certainly has not worked for Trump in foreign relations. 

 

Well, clearly the weak, virtue signaling style has not worked for Trudeau in foreign relations.

The successful candidate will likely leave his fancy socks at home when it comes to domestic or foreign policy.

Edited December 22, 2018 by bush_cheney2004

[Argus]

9 hours ago, Iznogoud said:

Somehow I doubt O'Leary is the sort of personality Canada needs.  An arrogant bullying style certainly has not worked for Trump in foreign relations. 

That's because Trump is a moron.

[Queenmandy85]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

That's because Trump is a moron.

In political terms, so was Mr. O'Leary.

Andrew Sheer has surprised me. He seems to have the discipline to avoid the kind of off-the-cuff remarks that hurt the Prime Minister. He also has the sense to realize a leader should facilitate the will of the voters over his own. My only worry is that he will not be any better at dealing with climate change than the Prime Minister is. The longer we ignore it, the more draconian the measures will be required in the near future. We have already lost 40 years. (In global terms) We should have begun taking action in the 1970's when solving the crisis would have been easier.

Edited December 22, 2018 by Queenmandy85

[JamesHackerMP]

Why are people opposed to Trudeau? Just curious.

[Guest]

38 minutes ago, JamesHackerMP said:

Why are people opposed to Trudeau? Just curious.

I think it's a tossup between two factors.

1) He's useless.

2) He's an extremely annoying, smarmy git.

I oppose him more due to the latter.  Most politicians are useless.

[bush_cheney2004]

Mr. O'Leary continues to visit the USA on a regular basis, and is popular in U.S. media.

Mr. Trudeau, after a feverish pace of 17 PM visits to the U.S., has slowed down his cross border journeys quite a bit, having realized that he is not the Trump Whisperer after all.   For a while there it was hard to keep his ass out of the U.S.

[turningrite]

2 hours ago, JamesHackerMP said:

Why are people opposed to Trudeau? Just curious.

Apparently you don't live in Canada. If you did, you wouldn't have to ask why many people oppose JT. He obtained power in a triumph of image over substance. He tends to mindlessly mimic left-lib ideology without much reference to realities faced by ordinary people on the ground. He's from the elites but mouths his concerns about the struggles faced by the middle class without much detailed understanding or knowledge of those struggles. He's an ardent supporter of globalism without acknowledging its deeply deleterious impacts on developed economies, not the least of which are its impact on the very middle class he purports to favor. He thinks the system just needs a little tweaking, mainly in the form of subsidy programs, to work properly. He's promotes large-scale immigration without acknowledging that statistics strongly suggest the most recent generation of immigrants is underperforming in comparison to previous generations, likely due to that little globalism thing that has served to undermine wages. It's easier for him, however, to challenge concerns about immigration with accusations of racism and/or various phobias, a tactic that's become tiresome. But he soldiers on, repeating bromides about supposed labour shortages, despite stagnant wages, and the need for immigration to address a so-called "demographic deficit," both of which are highly speculative notions.

And all of that is just for starters. Trudeau intensely and proudly lacks curiosity, admitting that he doesn't follow the news. His certainty emerges from a preconceived set of beliefs that he simply refuses to subject to criticism or objective analysis. And, to top it all off, he's a terrible communicator who can read prepared and rehearsed speeches but can't think on his feet or coherently speak extemporaneously. I think a more insightful question you might ask is why on earth many voters continue to support Trudeau?

[Rue]

On ‎12‎/‎20‎/‎2018 at 8:26 AM, Thinkinoutsidethebox said:

Andrew Scheer? Don't know much about him, he makes news when doing damage control when someone in his party does something stupid and to criticize Trudeau. Some polls suggest he's running neck and neck with Trudeau so about fifty percent Trudeau's popularity in the real world. Trudeau still has his looks and that creepy charm that'll attract the young female vote and of course he should do well among new Canadians. 

It's definitely Trudeau's election to lose at the moment. 

I have to agree with you and the agenda is laid out. When Schneer questions and he will the failed immigration policies and mess Trudeau has made of illegals and the backlog of refugee claims, Trudeau an company will do what they did in Parliament try polarize and call Schneer a racist and pander to ethnic groups and I hope ethnic groups don't fall for that.

Next issue will be deficit spending. Trudeau is going to argue without his huge deficits we would be in trouble. That kind of economic argument is above the i.q. of most Canadians. All they see is immediate gain not long term consequences and its hard to explain cutting spending. Its not popular and when you are not charismatic like Schneer its a bit harder to sell.

Next is disasterous foreign policy with China, the US, the world. That one Scheer should go to town on. Trudeau hero worshipping China only to studder and spit over Canadian citizens being kidnapped and the world remaining silent is a goldmine for Scheer. The world is silent on the China kidnappings. So much for the world leader Trdueau. Australia, New Zealand, the US, Britain, all our intelligence sharing allies warned Trudeau not to deal with Hua Wei. He ignored them all. Is it any wonder US intelligence not Trump hatched the scheme to arrest the Hua Wei executive in Vancouver. She and Trudeau never saw it coming because China is arrogant and feels Canada is an idiot nation it can control and spy on and they are right. We have this idiot PM fondling himself over Chinese fantasies while they buy out British Columbia and spy on all our technology and if anyone thinks they did not sabotage and get Blackberry shut down grow up.

Next is the aboriginal portfolio. Two mints, two mints I mean Ministers in one and neither has done sweet phack all and we have federal prison staff sending murderers to healing lodges just to rub salt in the wound of everyone.

Scheer is not charismatic no. However Trudeau studders and his photo opps and look at me rallies hopefully by now are nauseating to many. The hand on the heart gimmick-right out of the playbook of Josef Goebels. As for the rolled up sleeves uh yah, what a working man. He wears his pants up to his arm pits and walks like a stereotype of 1930's Hollywood drag films. Then again Scheer always looks like he passed gas. In any event I wish him well. I think he can speak well in a debate. He certainly handed Trudeau his head in Parliament getting Trudeau to have hissy tantrums. Also our Foreign Minister is bad optics. She talks in a condescending la dee dah millionaire commie tone and looks like an extra from the Wizard of Oz, try Flying Monkey or Munchkin.

Now as for the NDP anyone seen Mr. Singh? Ahahahahahahah. He was going to run in Quebec remember? Ahahahah. He won't even run in the riding where he lived. Yah such guts. I love the Brooks Brothers suits. What a commie man of the people.

 

 

[Argus]

4 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

In political terms, so was Mr. O'Leary.

Andrew Sheer has surprised me. He seems to have the discipline to avoid the kind of off-the-cuff remarks that hurt the Prime Minister. He also has the sense to realize a leader should facilitate the will of the voters over his own. My only worry is that he will not be any better at dealing with climate change than the Prime Minister is. The longer we ignore it, the more draconian the measures will be required in the near future. We have already lost 40 years. (In global terms) We should have begun taking action in the 1970's when solving the crisis would have been easier.

Anyone in Canada who wants to damage our economy to work for climate changes is a moron. Pure and simple. End of story.
China's increase THIS YEAR, just the increase, will be greater than the entirety of what Trudeau hopes to cut with his carbon pricing efforts (which will take decades). And that's just China. Add in the extra CO2 India, Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam, Egypt, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and all the other developing countries are pumping out and it's lunacy to fork out billions on lowering our already low CO2 emissions.

The Paris accord and other such agreements fail because they are largely designed by socialist minded people more concerned with fairness and social justice, as well as income redistribution, than with the environment. That is why countries like Canada and the US and UK are expected to heavily cut their emissions, at whatever cost, while developing countries have a free hand to increase theres as much as they want "Oh, well, it wouldn't be fair, now. I mean, they have some catching up to do, you know. We can't be holding them to account for lowering CO2 emissions, and by the way, we need to give them hundreds of billions to help them adjust."

China's emissions are already greater than that of the US and EU combined, but it's free to keep increasing them as much as they want for decades. What crap. All this does is move manufacturing from the US and EU (and Canada now) to places like China and India.

 

Edited December 22, 2018 by Argus

[turningrite]

7 hours ago, Rue said:

Next is disasterous foreign policy with China, the US, the world. That one Scheer should go to town on. Trudeau hero worshipping China only to studder and spit over Canadian citizens being kidnapped and the world remaining silent is a goldmine for Scheer. The world is silent on the China kidnappings. So much for the world leader Trdueau.
 

Trudeau's most admired country, China, and its 'basic dictatorship', have certainly been a disappointment for him. He was snubbed when he traveled there in hopes of opening negotiations on a trade agreement and now he seems resistant to becoming overtly involved in fighting for the freedom of Canadian citizens jailed by the Chinese, likely in retaliation for the Meng extradition arrest. Reportedly, Trudeau did speak about the issue today, days after it became a matter of public concern but didn't seem to say much to reassure anyone a solution is forthcoming.

Perhaps it's time that Trudeau admit his China strategy has failed and move on. But he doesn't seem the reflective type. Canada will get nowhere with China via bilateral negotiations. It will have to work closely with other Western countries to set new ground rules to govern the relationship between China and the rest of developed world. The spat over Meng is a sign of a larger problem and illustrates the basic reality that China, probably accurately, views Canada as an American client state, a circumstance that's unlikely to change. The world has changed a lot since Trudeau Sr.'s "North-South" initiative. JT doesn't have the gravitas to be taken seriously on such matters and in any case Canada is now a less influential country than it was in PET's day.

[Iznogoud]

12 hours ago, JamesHackerMP said:

Why are people opposed to Trudeau? Just curious.

I suspect that all people are not.  The latest poll has the Liberals still leading all other parties.  If the numbers do not change Trudeau will get a slim majority or at worst a minority government.  Of course, thing could change over the next few months, but right now it appears that none of the other parties or their leaders has caught the imagination of the Canadian public.

[turningrite]

10 hours ago, Iznogoud said:

I suspect that all people are not.  The latest poll has the Liberals still leading all other parties.  If the numbers do not change Trudeau will get a slim majority or at worst a minority government.  Of course, thing could change over the next few months, but right now it appears that none of the other parties or their leaders has caught the imagination of the Canadian public.

Polling results have become confusing. While some put the Lib party marginally ahead, a recent poll suggests that Trudeau's personal popularity has declined significantly and now sits at a 35 percent favorable rating (lower than Trump's in the U.S.) compared to a 63 percent unfavorable rating. And let's not forget that several weeks prior to the 2015 election the NDP appeared poised to capture government while Trudeau's Libs looked to be headed back to their seats on the opposition side. In competition with a wooden, over-managed and uncomfortably smiling Mulcair, who hitherto had been one of the most effective opposition leaders since Diefenbaker, Trudeau's burnished, sunny image pushed his party into the lead. But now he's the guy with the baggage. How many voters can be fooled in 2019? It will in my opinion be a much more difficult task for the self-styled emperor with the famous name who has truly demonstrated that he has no clothes (although he does have costumes, as we've realized to our collective embarrassment) to run on image alone this time around. At least most should now understand that budgets don't balance themselves and "sunny ways" can't solve all problems.

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/12/19/trudeau-approval-rating-poll_a_23622710/

Edited December 23, 2018 by turningrite

[xul]

22 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Mr. O'Leary continues to visit the USA on a regular basis, and is popular in U.S. media.

Mr. Trudeau, after a feverish pace of 17 PM visits to the U.S., has slowed down his cross border journeys quite a bit, having realized that he is not the Trump Whisperer after all.   For a while there it was hard to keep his ass out of the U.S.

As PM of Canada, maybe Mr. Trudeau has some kind of hot line with the White House for receiving American master's bidding, so no need to climb American border wall regularly.