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1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

You don't get it.

Telling someone to NOT use certain words isn't forced speech.  Peterson was pretty clear that he would negotiate words/pronouns with the subject person.

You always could be considered as transgressing rights by HRCs for calling someone the n-word at work for example.  That's not new.

This is HOW we get there.  Today it is this way .. tomorrow ....

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On 6/2/2019 at 5:38 PM, Argus said:

Man finishes in 390th place in hurdles. Calls himself female and wins NCAA championship, crushing female opponents.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/06/man_places_390th_in_mens_hurdles_calls_himself_female_snatches_womens_ncaa_national_title.html

Sad...

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Jordan Peterson points out the insanity of this transgender 'movement', and how little sense or science is behind it.

The continually expanded plethora of “identities” recently constructed and provided with legal status thus consist of empty terms which (1) do not provide those who claim them with any real social role or direction; (2) confuse all who must deal with the narcissism of the claimant, as the only rule that can exist in the absence of painstakingly, voluntarily and mutually negotiated social role is “it’s morally wrong to say or do anything that hurts my feelings”; (3) risks generating psychological chaos among the vast majority of individuals exposed to the doctrines that insist that identity is essentially fluid and self-generating (and here I’m primarily concerned about children and adolescents whose standard or normative identity has now merely become one personal choice among a near-infinite array of ideologically and legally defined modes of being), and (4) poses a further and unacceptably dangerous threat to the stability of the nuclear family, which consists, at minimum, of a dyad, male and female, coming together primarily for the purposes of raising children in what appears to be the minimal viable social unit (given the vast and incontrovertible body of evidence that fatherlessness, in particular, is associated with heightened risk for criminality, substance abuse, and poorly regulated sexual behaviour among children, adolescents and the adults that they eventually become).

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jordan-peterson-gender-politics-has-no-place-in-the-classroom

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Not sure if this has been posted, but many will want to read up on the curious case of supposed British Columbia Transgender individual Jonathan Yaniv. Not many cases reach this degree of politically correct insanity.  My comments would not do it justice.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/07/19/canadas-bizarre-trans-waxing-controversy/

https://www.thepostmillennial.com/another-b-c-woman-forced-out-of-business-in-transgender-male-genitalia-waxing-case/

 

In other Transgendered news, a man who claimed he was Transgender, was jailed for life after convincing of multiple counts of sexual assault inside the prison, after convincing corrections officials that he should be in a Women's prison, to serve out a sentence.

Transgender Canadians now have more rights than naturally born Women, even if they are sexual deviants.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, J4L said:

Not sure if this has been posted, but many will want to read up on the curious case of supposed British Columbia Transgender individual Jonathan Yaniv. Not many cases reach this degree of politically correct insanity.  My comments would not do it justice.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/07/19/canadas-bizarre-trans-waxing-controversy/

htts://www.thepostmillennial.com/another-b-c-woman-forced-out-of-business-in-transgender-male-genitalia-waxing-case/

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I have been reading about it, he/she is quite the scammer,  he/she threatens a lawsuit then when the woman gets a lawyer he withdraws the complaint bit some women have had to pay him/her off.   At least 15 (16) complaints so far putting some of the women out of business.  No woman (or man) should be forced to handle male genitals against her will, wax on or wax off, whatever.    Actually this Yaniv person sounds deranged, as does his mother. 

There are men who do this procedure but he seeks out women. 

https://breaking-news.ca/cant-take-no-for-an-answer-jonathan-yaniv-files-16-human-rights-complaints-against-women-who-dont-want-to-wax-his-balls/

ETA:  from the post article  But a substantive question remained at the core of the raucous daylong hearing: should a business be allowed to deny service on the basis of gender identity?

On it's own no, but this isn't what that's about, it's about handling male genitals

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1 hour ago, scribblet said:

I have been reading about it, he/she is quite the scammer,  he/she threatens a lawsuit then when the woman gets a lawyer he withdraws the complaint bit some women have had to pay him/her off.   At least 15 (16) complaints so far putting some of the women out of business.  No woman (or man) should be forced to handle male genitals against her will, wax on or wax off, whatever.    Actually this Yaniv person sounds deranged, as does his mother. 

There are men who do this procedure but he seeks out women. 

https://breaking-news.ca/cant-take-no-for-an-answer-jonathan-yaniv-files-16-human-rights-complaints-against-women-who-dont-want-to-wax-his-balls/

ETA:  from the post article  But a substantive question remained at the core of the raucous daylong hearing: should a business be allowed to deny service on the basis of gender identity?

On it's own no, but this isn't what that's about, it's about handling male genitals

Here is an excellent editorial on the mockery of Human Rights by Rex Murphy in the National Post, in regards to this issue.

On the other political forum, they will lay down the proverbial beating to anyone who uses incorrect pronouns, when describing Transgenders.

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22 minutes ago, J4L said:

Here is an excellent editorial on the mockery of Human Rights by Rex Murphy in the National Post, in regards to this issue.

On the other political forum, they will lay down the proverbial beating to anyone who uses incorrect pronouns, when describing Transgenders.

You mean the 'inclusive and tolerant' group?

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2 hours ago, scribblet said:

I have been reading about it, he/she is quite the scammer,  he/she threatens a lawsuit then when the woman gets a lawyer he withdraws the complaint bit some women have had to pay him/her off.   At least 15 (16) complaints so far putting some of the women out of business.  No woman (or man) should be forced to handle male genitals against her will, wax on or wax off, whatever.    Actually this Yaniv person sounds deranged, as does his mother. 

There are men who do this procedure but he seeks out women. 

https://breaking-news.ca/cant-take-no-for-an-answer-jonathan-yaniv-files-16-human-rights-complaints-against-women-who-dont-want-to-wax-his-balls/

ETA:  from the post article  But a substantive question remained at the core of the raucous daylong hearing: should a business be allowed to deny service on the basis of gender identity?

On it's own no, but this isn't what that's about, it's about handling male genitals

I doubt this guy is anything more than a narcissistic, anti-social asshole who gets off on bullying people. The progressives have given him a free pass because they can't stand the thought of being critical of anyone who even claims they're trans.

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3 minutes ago, Argus said:

I doubt this guy is anything more than a narcissistic, anti-social asshole who gets off on bullying people. The progressives have given him a free pass because they can't stand the thought of being critical of anyone who even claims they're trans.

I find it bizarre that Twitter has banned women for responding to his/her hate-filled trolling, justifying the ban by calling it "hate speech" by using incorrect pronouns..  It reminds me of when a Black female Conservative was tweeting on the Sarah Jeong New York Times controversy (the Asian woman who was hired by the NYT, despite tweeting anti-Caucasian venom over 400 times), copied one of Jeong's tweets, and changed the word "White people" with a different ethnic group, and was subsequently banned for a week. 

I never realized how much of a left-leaning bias Twitter has, until that point.

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On 6/24/2019 at 4:08 PM, Argus said:

Jordan Peterson points out the insanity of this transgender 'movement', and how little sense or science is behind it.

The continually expanded plethora of “identities” recently constructed and provided with legal status thus consist of empty terms which (1) do not provide those who claim them with any real social role or direction; (2) confuse all who must deal with the narcissism of the claimant, as the only rule that can exist in the absence of painstakingly, voluntarily and mutually negotiated social role is “it’s morally wrong to say or do anything that hurts my feelings”; (3) risks generating psychological chaos among the vast majority of individuals exposed to the doctrines that insist that identity is essentially fluid and self-generating (and here I’m primarily concerned about children and adolescents whose standard or normative identity has now merely become one personal choice among a near-infinite array of ideologically and legally defined modes of being), and (4) poses a further and unacceptably dangerous threat to the stability of the nuclear family, which consists, at minimum, of a dyad, male and female, coming together primarily for the purposes of raising children in what appears to be the minimal viable social unit (given the vast and incontrovertible body of evidence that fatherlessness, in particular, is associated with heightened risk for criminality, substance abuse, and poorly regulated sexual behaviour among children, adolescents and the adults that they eventually become).

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jordan-peterson-gender-politics-has-no-place-in-the-classroom

Jordan Peterson will be regarded as a hero to future generations, once this SJW/political correctness BS ends.

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10 hours ago, J4L said:

Jordan Peterson will be regarded as a hero to future generations, once this SJW/political correctness BS ends.

He should be now.  When in Florida I saw a chiropracter who was a fan of Peterson's, even travelled to N.Y. to hear him speak. 

 

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Well, the saga of JY is very disturbing,  there's a lot of reading with links, but he/she is a predator, and a racist,  who likes to talk about feminine products, washrooms and young children. JY has since closed the twitter account and deleted the tweets but there are screen shots,

 https://www.thepostmillennial.com/the-truth-about-jessica-yaniv-is-beginning-to-emerge/

https://morganeoger.ca/2019/04/19/preying-on-children-makes-you-a-predator-regardless-of-who-you-are/

and a good one from Rex Murphy

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex-murphy-b-c-groin-waxing-case-is-a-mockery-of-human-rights?

 

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Of course, it has to be played down you know, move along nothing to see here...  and there's no crime- yet.    A young girl has lodged a complaint recently, and JY is now organizing a topless pool party for people over 12, no parents allowed.   If that doesn't raise flags, what will.

There's a big difference between tolerance/equality/non discrimination, and forcing someone to wax male genitals against their will, that is state enforced sexual assault.  The whole thing has gone too far, to the point of indoctrinating children into believing they are drag queens etc.   What used to be fairly rare is now becoming a common thing as society seems to have manufactured a whole lot of problems, especially for children.  

 

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2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Thank God a trans woman has now committed a horrible crime, so now the entire discussion around trans rights can be about her.

I think it's a discussion that needs to be had.  This person is just the catalyst for that discussion.

http://www.gettheloutuk.com/attachments/LesbiansAtGroundZeroFindings.pdf


 

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Feminists have questioned publicly whether trans politics poses any concerns for women and girls highlighting the clash of rights existing between women and “transwomen” (Fairplay For Women, 2019, Woman’s Place UK, 2019). If men who transition can legally become women, it becomes impossible to maintain women’s rights of access to sexsegregated spaces and services exclusively for females (Equality Act 2010).

As social media such as Twitter is a crucial tool for spreading ideas, such public discussion has led transactivists to share the view that they are discriminated against because some lesbians refuse to date them, propagating the idea that lesbianism is “transphobic” (Dennis, 2017).

Women who were in groups that were not “women-only” reported “feeling silenced”, “intimidated”, “unable to speak freely”, “uncomfortable” with the group policy and wishing the group was for women only but “dare not say it”. Several reported how “transwomen derail” and monopolise the discussion to be solely about their issues while shutting down discussion about women’s or lesbians’ issues by calling it “transphobic”. Group dynamics are described as “toxic”. Several women explain how “transwomen are behaving just like men”. Lesbians constantly report being told their sexuality is “wrong” if they openly state they are solely attracted to women. Women reported “threats”, “intimidations” and “abuse”, by “transwomen” and allies.

 

 

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7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Thank God a trans woman has now committed a horrible crime, so now the entire discussion around trans rights can be about her.

It is possible to look at an issue from more than one perspective.  This man is a man, not a woman, and a pervert at that.  He has also managed to fool a lot of fools. (just my opinion, of course.  I've never met him)

On the plus side, it doesn't stop us talking about issues like how it might be unfair for women who were born men to compete in women's sports, or intolerant for trans activists to expect lesbians to have their approval before they pick a sexual partner,  or reasonable to hold discussions around allowing children to decide they want surgery and drugs before they even know what gender is.

Or even how utterly bigoted and violent some trans activists can be.

Actually that last isn't a surprise.  Regardless of the issue, there are always those who will happily hurt someone else to get their own way.

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22 hours ago, Argus said:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/trans-athletes-performance-transition-research-1.5183432

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A Canadian-born researcher is helping to launch the first substantial study of transgender athletes in a bid to better understand how transitioning and hormone therapy affects athletic performance. 

The issue of how to include transgender women in competition is centred around rules, rights and biological differences.

And the debate about what constitutes an unfair advantage is heated, which is why medical physicist Joanna Harper hopes science can steer the conversation. 

"Until we have several of these larger-scale studies done worldwide, it's hard to be truly definitive on anything," she said.

Harper, who is also an adviser to the International Olympic Committee (IOC), will be moving to the U.K. this fall to help lead the research into transgender athletes. The work will be carried out at Loughborough University, through its School of Sport, Exercise and Health Sciences. 

I am interested in knowing what the results of her study are.

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16 hours ago, bcsapper said:

1. It is possible to look at an issue from more than one perspective.  This man is a man, not a woman, and a pervert at that.   

2. On the plus side, it doesn't stop us talking about issues like how it might be unfair for women who were born men to compete in women's sports,  

3. Or even how utterly bigoted and violent some trans activists can be.

4. Regardless of the issue, there are always those who will happily hurt someone else to get their own way.

1. The thread is about the transgender movement.  So if the actions of a single person should be part of the discussion, we should follow that principle around other movements right?  Of course we don't do this with other movements.

2. Doesn't stop us ?  Why should we be concerned that such a thing not be included in the discussion when we're starting with the discussion of a lone criminal?

3. See #2.

4. Maybe we should start with that kind of statement, then leave such things aside to talk about the greater issues, such as a significant portion of the population subject to violence and persecution.

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1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

4. Maybe we should start with that kind of statement, then leave such things aside to talk about the greater issues, such as a significant portion of the population subject to violence and persecution.

This is what you do.  Someone says something like, "There's a lot of violence amongst XYZ population."

MH:  No there isn't.

Others:  Here's an example of what's going on and why we're talking about it.

MH:  You can't use an individual case to prove anything.

Others:  Here's 47 more examples.  Now can we talk about it?

MH:  Now you're a racist/Islamophobe/ bigot/*insert any label* !!!

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10 hours ago, Goddess said:

This is what you do.  Someone says something like, "There's a lot of violence amongst XYZ population."

MH:  No there isn't.

Others:  Here's an example of what's going on and why we're talking about it.

MH:  You can't use an individual case to prove anything.

Others:  Here's 47 more examples.  Now can we talk about it?

MH:  Now you're a racist/Islamophobe/ bigot/*insert any label* !!!

This is what YOU do: misread, come to the wrong conclusions and produce sloppy analysis.

-I didn't say there is or is not violence amongst XYZ.  
-47 examples of anything doesn't mean anything.  There were 47 murders in the first six months of last year in Toronto ... so Toronto is ... violent ? safe ?  what ?
-I don't resort to labelling people that often, but when I do it's because we're at the end of the line with people who make the same mistakes and knowingly so

I'm not sure if you knowingly are making these errors or if you are just making them again and again.

 

Edited to add: Do you really not see why talking about individual cases taints any kind of discussion around transgender rights ?  Can you imagine us doing that when talking about some other groups rights ?  Would it be ok ?  

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15 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. The thread is about the transgender movement.  So if the actions of a single person should be part of the discussion, we should follow that principle around other movements right?  Of course we don't do this with other movements.

2. Doesn't stop us ?  Why should we be concerned that such a thing not be included in the discussion when we're starting with the discussion of a lone criminal?

3. See #2.

4. Maybe we should start with that kind of statement, then leave such things aside to talk about the greater issues, such as a significant portion of the population subject to violence and persecution.

1) Sure we do.  It was individual who shot up that mosque.  We didn't ignore that when talking about white supremacists.  I'm sure the Islam thread is replete with examples of individuals exhibiting bad behaviour.

2) Some will be, some won't be.  It doesn't stop those who will be was my point.  Those who won't probably aren't still reading anyway.

3) As long as it's okay to express contempt and disgust for anyone deserving of it, it's all good.

4)  Sure.  These days lots of people look over their shoulders more than they used to.

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