War of the Worlds U.N. Migration Compact

[paxamericana]

6 hours ago, taxme said:

What is with this liberal/socialist nonsense that I must help feed, clothe and house the rest of the world anyway? 

Some of it has to do with narcisim. Because they care about the world that makes them an even more virtuous social justice warrior. 

Edited December 16, 2018 by paxamericana

[Michael Hardner]

9 hours ago, bcsapper said:

If it's non binding there should be no problem with those who didn't sign it, and I'd probably prefer to be one of those.  

It's non-binding.  People can express their dismay that we agree that migration should be coordinated internationally but they shouldn't blow all their energy until something concrete gets submitted.  And the fact that we're getting discussion of this now speaks to how much power the status quo has, politically.  This isn't even a thing yet.

[dialamah]

8 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Some of it has to do with narcisim. Because they care about the world that makes them an even more virtuous social justice warrior. 

Such a sin to care about others.  Who knew?

[OftenWrong]

On 12/14/2018 at 10:34 AM, ironstone said:

Supporters say the deal is at the end of the day,non-binding.If so,then why take the risk of even signing on?

The Poser Man might do it anyway, for the optics.

[Zeitgeist]

10 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Yaaassss, look its not some tin foil hat theory that globalist elites  want us to care about the rest of the world at the expense of our own. That is one reason why the UN was created. To bring about a global governance.

Canada  for all intent and purpose is a prooving ground. Canada doesn't even have a canadian identity. The closest thing to an identity Canada have is vermont. 

One of the easiest way to tell if someone is a globalist is ask if they believe in the concept of a sovereign national border? If no then they are 100 percent globalist. They're not like big foot, they exist.

If you’re saying Canada doesn’t have an identity, you have to say the same for the US.  In fact we’ve preserved our traditional identities more than the US.  We still have many French speaking Acadian (Cajun) towns outside Quebec, and we have hundreds of indigenous cultures with their own languages that are still spoken.  There is more unspoiled culture in Canada.  I’d argue that cultural identity is as important to a nation’s sovereignty as the democratic institutions and freedoms that support it.  Otherwise why bother having nations?  The purpose of the UN is to find common ground between nations for the betterment of humankind.  It’s hardly the sinister organization that many on here want to believe it is.  It’s actually quite powerless, more so now than in the past.  Its resolutions are routinely ignored, and I’d say that in about 80 percent of those cases, the result has been a more dangerous world: invasion of Iraq, not supporting the ban on land mines, refusal to participate in the international court for war crimes, use of torture, etc.  

The US has acted alone ignoring the UN’s positions.  Has that been good for the world?  Much of the refugee crisis can be traced back to such bad decisions.  Now the people who supported those decisions are complaining about the surge in refugees caused by those decisions.  I’m so sick of the stupidity.  We need smart people in government.  The voting population also needs to be better informed. 

Edited December 16, 2018 by Zeitgeist

[Michael Hardner]

10 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Some of it has to do with narcisim. Because they care about the world that makes them an even more virtuous social justice warrior. 

How about the arrogance that communities should not ever care about others and to do so is an affliction ?

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

How about the arrogance that communities should not ever care about others and to do so is an affliction ?

I think the problem is often that those who claim to do the caring are not those who are actually going to do the caring.

[Michael Hardner]

5 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

I think the problem is often that those who claim to do the caring are not those who are actually going to do the caring.

Cryptic and remote.  But, in any case, there are millions of reasons to keep five cents rather than give it to help someone and many people on here can recite every one without effort.

How much money does one person need ?  The answer seems to be: "all of it".

[Guest]

Just now, Michael Hardner said:

Cryptic and remote.  But, in any case, there are millions of reasons to keep five cents rather than give it to help someone and many people on here can recite every one without effort.

How much money does one person need ?  The answer seems to be: "all of it".

1) Not really.  JT, for example, can claim to care as much as he wants, but he won't be personally affected by the results of his random magnanimity. 

2) How much of another person's money should you be able to distribute?

[Michael Hardner]

3 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

1) Not really.  JT, for example, can claim to care as much as he wants, but he won't be personally affected by the results of his random magnanimity. 

2) How much of another person's money should you be able to distribute?

1) Well, some people are going to vote for others because of his actions so you are wrong.

2) Do you know what a PM does for a living ?  They set policies to allocate our tax dollars.  Do you know what your vote does ?  It elects parties to allocate the money I pay in taxes.

Do we really need to have a thread where we spoon-feed each other how democracy works ?

I'm sorry that people think that the new world order is coming to take ten cents out of their damn pockets.  They can go and protest and fight. But they can't claim that charity, social safety nets or even cleaning up your own mess are new and wacky ideas...

 Luckily more people are ignoring the horse shit smorgasbord... 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1) Well, some people are going to vote for others because of his actions so you are wrong.

2) Do you know what a PM does for a living ?  They set policies to allocate our tax dollars.  Do you know what your vote does ?  It elects parties to allocate the money I pay in taxes.

Do we really need to have a thread where we spoon-feed each other how democracy works ?

I'm sorry that people think that the new world order is coming to take ten cents out of their damn pockets.  They can go and protest and fight. But they can't claim that charity, social safety nets or even cleaning up your own mess are new and wacky ideas...

 Luckily more people are ignoring the horse shit smorgasbord... 

1)  One would hope so, but I believe his actions, generally, to be self serving, so I assume he's calculated it out.  I hope his calculations are wrong. (or whoever is pulling the strings. He does seem to be nothing more than a mindless grin sometimes)

2) Yes, of course.  There is no rule I'm aware of that we can't comment on such.

3)  Only if you say so, obviously.  Your democracy seems to include mindless consensus.

Your last few lines are only there for effect, I assume.

[paxamericana]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

If you’re saying Canada doesn’t have an identity, you have to say the same for the US.

Not true, America has a very unique identity, one of the most profound identity in history I would argue. Alot of it is enshrined in the constitution. It's no accident the freedom of speech is the first amendment and the right to bear arms is second. Think about that for a minute.  

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

The purpose of the UN is to find common ground between nations for the betterment of humankind.  It’s hardly the sinister organization that many on here want to believe it is.

Um, have you seen their human rights council?

 https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/06/us-un-human-rights/563276/

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

Now the people who supported those decisions are complaining about the surge in refugees caused by those decisions.  I’m so sick of the stupidity.

Which country refugee are you referring to? Are you talking about the south american one looking for better paying jobs and free welfare from our progressive tax system? If they were truely refugee why go to canada and america why not stay in mexico? Or are you talking about syria in which their own country rebelled against tyrannical goverance. Or lybia? Remember the arab spring? The US started every single one of those? 

They spontaneous erupted because the power structure ruling those countries was no longer sustainable. Any society based on tyrannical power can not last. So don't blame america for its failing. America is the one who took on the greatest burden to clean up the mess while trying to maintain the peace. Last time america stood back and did nothing world war 1 and 2 started.

Edited December 16, 2018 by paxamericana

[Michael Hardner]

40 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

 Your democracy seems to include mindless consensus.

Mindless consensus, no.  But having to re-explain why we do things to people who never paid attention to politics before Rob Ford was mayor is tiresome.  

Let alone having to explain economics to them... they have even managed to make conservative parties embrace deficits and tariffs.  Condemn them, BC, condemn them.

[paxamericana]

3 hours ago, dialamah said:

Such a sin to care about others.  Who knew?

What do you mean care about others. My criticism is take care of your self before helping others. Our own country have plenty of problem to fix yet we insist on taking on more responsibility of other country at the expense of our own? How many refugee do you think your universal health care system can take on before it collapses. Every refugee we let in who aren't skilled or educated can't contribute to our economy and is a burden to the state and everyone else . Calling this out doesn't make me any less heartless than the social justice warrior who engage in virtue signaling like JT.  

[Michael Hardner]

13 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

What do you mean care about others. My criticism is take care of your self before helping others.  

If you have 1 cent in your pocket, use it to buy a pack of matches before helping to save people displaced by our allies bombing people out of their homes.

 

GOT IT.

[paxamericana]

3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

If you have 1 cent in your pocket, use it to buy a pack of matches before helping to save people displaced by our allies bombing people out of their homes.

 

GOT IT.

It ain't one cent and last I check..er erm. America was the most generous country on planet earth...by a wide margin... look we don't need to get into a debate about who is better at virtue signaling cause america is definitely number one. My criticism is we don't need to take in more refugees, america has been doing that since the beginning of its founding. Too many influx of  immigrant/refugee can overwhelm a stable democracy. Look at what happened to the uk and europe. Remember what happened to the roman empire when it took in too many barbarians?

If you want to help those refugee then do so at the expense of your own money. Don't expect all of us to contribute because some of us are struggling just as much for that 1 cent. 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/america-new-zealand-and-canada-top-list-of-world-s-most-generous-nations-a6849221.html

[Guest]

27 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

If you have 1 cent in your pocket, use it to buy a pack of matches before helping to save people displaced by our allies bombing people out of their homes.

I think that's a little disingenuous.  I have no idea where your charity dollars went this year, but mine went to the United Way, Poppies, and the food bank as Christmas approached.  I could have spent more without any serious discomfort, and probably will, by the end of the year.  It doesn't matter.  I could have spent it all elsewhere, saving people displaced by our allies bombing people out of their homes, but I didn't.  If I had, it's conceivable some people would go hungry.

The issue is not one of personal generosity, or the lack thereof.  It's an issue of where the world as a whole is headed, with burgeoning populations and dwindling resources, and increasingly larger and larger areas of land becoming unlivable.  There will come a point where it isn't possible to help out, no matter how magnanimous one is personally.  And long before that point is reached, those who are less magnanimous will have started fighting.  It's happening now, slowly but surely.

Studying the big wars of the twentieth century, I was always surprised at finding out just how much was known, anticipated, expected even, prior to the start of actual conflict, but given all that, they happened anyway.  It's becoming less surprising now.

 

 

[Army Guy]

On ‎12‎/‎14‎/‎2018 at 8:53 PM, TTM said:

You are the one that brought this up as "scary" wording in the document. Again you are arguing against yourself.  Congrats.

You again demonstrate the lack of fundamental understanding of the topic necessary to even participate in a debate. Fortunately this is off topic for this thread.

You quote the lack of debate as proof of something nefarious. The simple fact that in Canada treaties in general, and especially those not directly impacting legislation, are not debated in parliament. 

These agreements are the purview of the executive branch and not the legislative.  It is not nefarious, it is standard procedure dating back to Confederation (and prior to).

No what I did was show you some of the phases that the Cons and other parties have an issue with, I already explained to you that I did not have the experience or knowledge to understand all the legal speak written in the document....I also stated that I was asking questions in order to get a better grasp on the subject....since you responded I thought you were the man with the answers...but then again you have shown me wrong on that as well...I guess I'm to bucking stupid to ask questions, my bad....But thats typical liberal behavior, everyone on the right must be a retard.....

 

[dialamah]

2 hours ago, paxamericana said:

What do you mean care about others. My criticism is take care of your self before helping others. 

You referred to people who care about the world as narcissists.  That isn't criticism, its painting those who disagree with you as evil.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, bcsapper said:

I think that's a little disingenuous.  I have no idea where your charity dollars went this year, but mine went to the United Way, Poppies, and the food bank as Christmas approached. 

Good for you.  I reject the idea, though, that helping the needy is a non-starter.

[taxme]

On 12/15/2018 at 10:15 AM, ironstone said:

We should all be resigned to the fact that Western style democracies ,as long as they exist,will be expected to ALWAYS have to shoulder the responsibility of the third world.It will mean the continued,massive financial support and enormous numbers of immigrants,legal and illegal.Never mind about education levels and skills,we have to adapt to their needs at the end of the day.How many immigrants are taken in by places like Saudi Arabia to name one?

Why do just about all people from the non-western world want to immigrate to western countries? Is it because we are much more civilized and dare I say superior? One would think that Muslims would love to go live in Saudi Arabia. Sharia law exists there. Canada does just not fit in well with Islam and sharia at all and why do Muslims want to immigrate to western countries anyway is beyond me. They are incompatible with our culture, way of life and doing things. My guess is that the promoters of this Muslim immigration to the west are up to no bloody good. They could be trying to start a religious war in the west? Hey, you never know. 

[taxme]

15 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Yaaassss, look its not some tin foil hat theory that globalist elites  want us to care about the rest of the world at the expense of our own. That is one reason why the UN was created. To bring about a global governance.

Canada  for all intent and purpose is a prooving ground. Canada doesn't even have a canadian identity. The closest thing to an identity Canada have is vermont. 

One of the easiest way to tell if someone is a globalist is ask if they believe in the concept of a sovereign national border? If no then they are 100 percent globalist. They're not like big foot, they exist.

There are just some people here and out there that believe that conspiracies do not exist. That it is all just hogwash.They are the reason why the world is in the mess that it is in because no matter how hard you try to point this out to them that this may be so they prefer not to listen but instead prefer to call anyone that does is a crazy lunatic. I know one here who thinks that conspiracies are not for real. All fiction to him. 

Canada was part of the British/European culture and identity and that was our Canadian culture and that appears to be on the way out and to be replaced by the globalists favorite non-western people of the world. Canada has been a testing ground for the globalists for years now and who after seeing that most Canadians could careless and clueless as to what is going on in Canada by the likes of king Trudeau and his queen that they then will try to push their globalist agenda 21 on Americans also to see if they react. The globalists have already worked their magic on Europe. But with all the riots going on now in Europe and all the right wing party's taking power the globalists may be on their last legs. One can only hope. Canada as America both are fast losing any identity they may have to be replaced by the massive amount of non-western immigration into both countries which will be soon replacing our North American culture with their many cultures and religions that they have to offer us. Oh the joy of it all and something to look forward too. Not. . 

I will check that out and ask that question myself to see what they have to say. If they do not call themselves a nationalist then they must be a globalist. It's either one or the other. 

[taxme]

17 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

This is Agenda 21 II.  A non-binding UN declaration which again is being bandied about as the end of civilization.  

People who are against this are basically saying:

"I promote the concept of lying to demonize refugees, including those from wars that my country has started." 

Is Agenda 21 still a threat, though ? 

Why are so many people from the third world always prefer to want to immigrate to a western country? Aren't we in the west supposed to be just a bunch of white racist haters as we have been told many times by the elite, our politicians, and the liberal media? Is it because we are much more civilized and dare I say superior to theirs that they want to immigrate to some western country and get away from their not so superior countries? Just asking. 

Agenda 21 is for real and is a real threat to the people of the west whether people like you who live in a there is no such thing as conspiracies in the world happening want to believe in it or not. Someone is being fooled here. Is it you or is it me? Good question, eh? 

[Michael Hardner]

39 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

1) It ain't one cent and last I check..er erm. America was the most generous country on planet earth...by a wide margin...

2) Too many influx of  immigrant/refugee can overwhelm a stable democracy 

3) If you want to help those refugee then do so at the expense of your own money.

4) Don't expect all of us to contribute because some of us are struggling just as much for that 1 cent.  

1) Taking wealth and giving back a pittance.  Supporting regimes, then invading them and refusing to take the resulting refugees.  Great again.

2) Who is more likely to upend a democracy of 300M ?  7K poor refugees or an illiterate, retarded moral degenerate president that Republicans refuse to deal with ?  I'll take my answer off the air.

3) Why don't you save your own money and stop bombing people ?  I'll take my answer off the air.

4) Your country is massively wealthy but you are brainwashed against actually having an equitable social contract.

 

 

[taxme]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

If you have 1 cent in your pocket, use it to buy a pack of matches before helping to save people displaced by our allies bombing people out of their homes.

 

GOT IT.

You need to take the issue up of with the international globalists banksters who have been behind all the bombing of the many people in the many countries in the world. 

So, just how much of your dollars have you donated already to help those people being bombed and displaced by your dear leaders in Canada? Have you started up any demonstrations as of yet to stop the bombing? Just wondering.