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14 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

this is the script....     eliminate all forms of discrimination, including racism , xenophobia and intolerance against migrants” "with a view to dispelling misleading narratives that generate negative perceptions of migrants" HOW DO YOU NOT SEE THAT AS DIRECTION FROM THE UN...

your example provides a negative view, which the UN has already addressed.

2. awesome deduction, we are already doing that so shit why not sign another compact or policy on something we already do, why not repeat all the other policies and compacts we are already signatory to....And when put in contrast to our problems at home right now, we do not need a diversion …. it sounds like the government is yelling squirrel to divert our attention of things going on here at home....but hey we already do that anyway why not....that sounds like a very well thought out response.....maybe you should try, why not scar di cat, I double dog dare you to sign it.... 

The left are pushing over each other to sign it before everyone starts asking questions....There has been no discussion on this topic in the commons, senate, or in the public so why are we rushing to sign it....without any of that....And it will be taken up in the near future once the liberals are thrown into the streets...

Your source is full of shit...

The UN has no military, no police force to uphold any mandate that it creates or dictates, it has very limited success in any of those quoted items it boosts about, in the last 30 years the UN has not had one positive result from any UN military missions infact it gives a list of huge failures in peace keeping, those missions were for the most part rescued by NATO....once the UN screwed things up so bad.... The world is more dangerous now than it was 70 years ago....when there was no UN

This alone should be enough not to sign the compact....

Yes it does, for the immigrant...nothing is said about the impact this free immigration will have on each nation....look at the problems Europe is having when immigration is not controlled... 

Canada has its own immigration policies.  There are all sorts of UN agreements.  Remember Canada's commitment to raise spending on international development to .7 percent of GNI?  Canada hasn't always followed UN resolutions.  It always comes down to politics.  Based on current polls, Trudeau will be turfed in the next federal election.  We'll see an about face on a number of policies, some of them actually good ones.  Yes, the UN is up to all sorts of no good.  Look at the following horrific goals for global oppression:

The 17 sustainable development goals (SDGs) to transform our world:

GOAL 1: No Poverty

GOAL 2: Zero Hunger

GOAL 3: Good Health and Well-being

GOAL 4: Quality Education

GOAL 5: Gender Equality

GOAL 6: Clean Water and Sanitation

GOAL 7: Affordable and Clean Energy

GOAL 8: Decent Work and Economic Growth

GOAL 9: Industry, Innovation and Infrastructure

GOAL 10: Reduced Inequality

GOAL 11: Sustainable Cities and Communities

GOAL 12: Responsible Consumption and Production

GOAL 13: Climate Action

GOAL 14: Life Below Water

GOAL 15: Life on Land

GOAL 16: Peace and Justice Strong Institutions

GOAL 17: Partnerships to achieve the Goal

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3 hours ago, Army Guy said:

this is the script....     eliminate all forms of discrimination, including racism , xenophobia and intolerance against migrants” "with a view to dispelling misleading narratives that generate negative perceptions of migrants" HOW DO YOU NOT SEE THAT AS DIRECTION FROM THE UN...

The reason we can't see eye to eye is that you see the wprking to eliminate xenophobia, intolerance, and racism as something scary you must fight, as opposed to simply a description of how decent human beings should act

3 hours ago, Army Guy said:

but hey we already do that anyway why not

I have very little problem making a non-binding agreement to do something I either already do, or would do anyway.  Funny that.

3 hours ago, Army Guy said:

The world is more dangerous now than it was 70 years ago

Well, this proves your lack of any credibility as far as world history. About the only measure in which the world is more dangerous is due to technological advances we have made in killing each other ... which has nothing to do with the UN

3 hours ago, Army Guy said:

The UN has no military, no police force to uphold any mandate that it creates or dictates

But I thought you said it was coming to take away our sovereignty? How is this toothless organization you describe going to do this.  Or are you arguing the UN should be given teeth to make it more effective? Could you please not try to have your cake and eat it too 

3 hours ago, Army Guy said:

This alone should be enough not to sign the compact....

Non sequitur. I have no idea what you are talking about

3 hours ago, Army Guy said:

nothing is said about the impact this free immigration will have on each nation...

The compact does not change any nations ability to set immigration rates.

If you are talking about refugees and asylum seekers, non-refoulement is already a principle in law, and has been for 50+ years

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2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Canada has its own immigration policies.  There are all sorts of UN agreements.  Remember Canada's commitment to raise spending on international development to .7 percent of GNI?  Canada hasn't always followed UN resolutions.  It always comes down to politics.  Based on current polls, Trudeau will be turfed in the next federal election.  We'll see an about face on a number of policies, some of them actually good ones.  Yes, the UN is up to all sorts of no good.  Look at the following horrific goals for global oppression:

The 17 sustainable development goals (SDGs) to transform our world:

GOAL 1: No Poverty

GOAL 2: Zero Hunger

GOAL 3: Good Health and Well-being

GOAL 4: Quality Education

GOAL 5: Gender Equality

GOAL 6: Clean Water and Sanitation

GOAL 7: Affordable and Clean Energy

GOAL 8: Decent Work and Economic Growth

GOAL 9: Industry, Innovation and Infrastructure

GOAL 10: Reduced Inequality

GOAL 11: Sustainable Cities and Communities

GOAL 12: Responsible Consumption and Production

GOAL 13: Climate Action

GOAL 14: Life Below Water

GOAL 15: Life on Land

GOAL 16: Peace and Justice Strong Institutions

GOAL 17: Partnerships to achieve the Goal

The horror ... the horror

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On 12/9/2018 at 1:09 PM, Michael Hardner said:

I shall continue to roll my eyes over these conspiracy theories.  They are, in short, retarded.

There was one about 5 or six years ago called Agenda 21 that Glenn Beck was meowing about... George W Bush signed some part of it.  It amounted to zero, as will this horse shit.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21

5 or 6 years ago?  taxme was pushing it a week or two ago as part of the UN subversion of our system

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7 hours ago, TTM said:

5 or 6 years ago?  taxme was pushing it a week or two ago as part of the UN subversion of our system

Riiight.  It's just more alarmism.  Even with Trump in office they have a strategy to claim liberals are about to destroy the world through insidious means.  If it's not vaccines it's transgender athletes.

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2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Riiight.  It's just more alarmism.  Even with Trump in office they have a strategy to claim liberals are about to destroy the world through insidious means.  If it's not vaccines it's transgender athletes.

Don't forget the Canadian plot to micro-agress americans while simultaneously feeling surrey abut it. 

But don't take an American word on it... 

Here's a canadian explanation of what you progressive/post modern marxist are doing... 

 

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5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Riiight.  It's just more alarmism.  Even with Trump in office they have a strategy to claim liberals are about to destroy the world through insidious means.  If it's not vaccines it's transgender athletes.

The Lib agenda is insidious. While the UN Compact for Migration isn't legally binding there's little doubt that it will serve to bolster attempts by the Lib government to enhance its framework for large-scale migration, a policy that I suspect it would like to cast in stone. In this context, it would not be surprising were the Libs to implement policies amounting to censorship, which is a particular favorite of the so-called "progressive" crowd. After all, Canada has now signed a UN pact the Lib government could trot out in support of such a policy. The problem with the constant pressure to replace free speech with supposedly acceptable speech is that we won't know what we've got until it's gone. Rational citizens should be very wary about this mentality taking hold.

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Did anyone who seriously thinks the UN Global Compact for Migration can't or won't impact public policy in this country read or hear about former Lib cabinet minister Lloyd Axworthy's suggestion that Canada admit the Central American migrants (at least the women and children) who are now waiting in Mexico to be processed by U.S. authorities? And what's his rationale for raising this bizarre possibility? According to Axworthy's G&M piece, doing so would apparently demonstrate Canada's commitment to implementing the principles of recent UN refugee and migration pacts, including the Compact for Migration: "Canadian leadership in meeting this tragedy on our doorstep would be a welcome, tangible demonstration of how the compacts can be a springboard for direct action and lead to improved collaboration on migration and refugees issues." Who believes that Axworthy's philosophy doesn't permeate Lib party thinking?

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-why-not-let-the-women-and-children-in-the-tijuana-camp-resettle-in/

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8 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Don't forget the Canadian plot to micro-agress americans while simultaneously feeling surrey abut it. 

But don't take an American word on it... 

Here's a canadian explanation of what you progressive/post modern marxist are doing... 

 

I pretty much agree with everything Jordan Peterson says, but the problems with Postmodern approaches are as American and European as they are Canadian.  I studied this stuff years ago.  Derrida, Deleuze and Guartari, the list goes on.  Don't conflate those ideas with progressive ideas.  We don't seem to have any middle ground anymore.  There may always be a need for accepting some refugees.  Canada does have room for immigrants.  In fact, our future growth may depend on it.  These are not left vs. right issues, or they didn't used to be.  What we should be concerned about is uncontrolled immigration that threatens our very way of life.  No one should want that, on the left or the right.  There may be naivety on the left about the risks of immigration, but there's xenophobia and sometimes blatant racism among the right when it comes to discussing any form of immigration.  

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Here are the people we COULD have in our country, contributing members of society who entered through the proper channels.......but Noooooooo, we are sending them back because we have 10's of 1000's of illegals flooding the country, living in hotels on the taxpayer's dime.

 

https://globalnews.ca/news/4751451/family-canada-deported-christmas-eve/

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1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

There may be naivety on the left about the risks of immigration, but there's xenophobia and sometimes blatant racism among the right when it comes to discussing any form of immigration.  

Well definitely was not expecting a common sense response after chumming the water with canadian bait.... 

Yes I agree identity politics exist on both left and right but it is the left that dominates universities and academia. Identity politics has been institutionalized by the left. Much of what happens at a university happens everywhere else 5 years later. Even if people tend to lean more conservative as they get older they are still around long enough to do plenty of damage. Racism is not institutionalized, it's much deeper than that, xenophobia and racism has much to do with fear of the unknown. There is a biological mechanism for this not a rational one. The left's intersectionality is purely ideological/rational, it's just a really dumb idea plain and simple, can only lead to tribalism and war. 

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8 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Here are the people we COULD have in our country, contributing members of society who entered through the proper channels.......but Noooooooo, we are sending them back because we have 10's of 1000's of illegals flooding the country, living in hotels on the taxpayer's dime.

 

https://globalnews.ca/news/4751451/family-canada-deported-christmas-eve/

So the math is 10 good one and 1000 bad one....If you say so. Personal anecdote is not good for public policy. You don't make legislation around an outlier. 

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17 hours ago, TTM said:

The reason we can't see eye to eye is that you see the wprking to eliminate xenophobia, intolerance, and racism as something scary you must fight, as opposed to simply a description of how decent human beings should act

I have very little problem making a non-binding agreement to do something I either already do, or would do anyway.  Funny that.

Well, this proves your lack of any credibility as far as world history. About the only measure in which the world is more dangerous is due to technological advances we have made in killing each other ... which has nothing to do with the UN

But I thought you said it was coming to take away our sovereignty? How is this toothless organization you describe going to do this.  Or are you arguing the UN should be given teeth to make it more effective? Could you please not try to have your cake and eat it too 

Non sequitur. I have no idea what you are talking about

The compact does not change any nations ability to set immigration rates.

If you are talking about refugees and asylum seekers, non-refoulement is already a principle in law, and has been for 50+ years

1. No thats not it at all, you see it as something we can eliminate, I see it as human nature, the harder you fight it the more it grows....We already have laws in place to control it, you will never eliminate it...thats just some liberal dream, and with those dreams comes retarded compacts or laws trying to eliminate the impossible  , like the liberals carbon tax just another stupid liberal idea...

And your right we will never agree, you have not explained any of my questions, sure you have gave me some liberal answers, like "why not", or it is just some white nationalist right wing  idea ..like I am somehow suppose to believe you and the rest of the liberals that "these are not the droids your looking for" but can not explain why everyone is in a rush to sign it before we have discussed it in parliament....nope no red flags there.... I think I will end it here....as this is going no where's, much like this compact....

 

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1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

.......There may always be a need for accepting some refugees.  Canada does have room for immigrants.  In fact, our future growth may depend on it.  These are not left vs. right issues, or they didn't used to be.  What we should be concerned about is uncontrolled immigration that threatens our very way of life.  No one should want that, on the left or the right.  There may be naivety on the left about the risks of immigration, but there's xenophobia and sometimes blatant racism among the right when it comes to discussing any form of immigration.  

True, but not all protesters are 'alt-right or far-right' as portrayed by the media and the left, Trudeau et al love to tar anyone with that brush if they so much as peep about wanting full debate and consideration of the issue.

Wanting a reasonable debate about how much immigration is too much is not racist or xenophobic but today, anyone who questions immigration or heaven forbid, wants secure borders and no illegal immigration, is that and worse, even nationalism and patriotism have become bad words.     Canada (nor any country) can take in all the worlds refugees and wannabes, if we did we would become a third world country, we have to be pragmatic and think about and what is good for us.   Besides, where would we house them, there's a shortage of housing now, and G.d forbid we should develop any green belt areas for low cost housing...

 

 

 

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On ‎12‎/‎8‎/‎2018 at 2:03 PM, GostHacked said:

We take part in bombing the middle east with is helping create the crisis and then saying we need to do something and take these people in.

We can start by not bombing the shit out of the M.E and then engineering 'arab spring' uprisings causing 'civil wars'  which creates more destruction and migration.

All of this was predicted.

The war was there before we started bombing. In fact, ISIS was basically threatening to take over all of Iraq and most of Syria before we started bombing them. Do you think us ignoring it would have produced fewer refugees?

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On ‎12‎/‎9‎/‎2018 at 11:55 AM, Zeitgeist said:

This is where I have to get off the Ford train.  He screwed up an important Ontario Power Generation acquisition through political interference that will cost Ontarians over $100,000,000. 

Uh, nope. Getting rid of the guy in charge of Hydro One was tory policy before Ford took over. Also, the cost isn't to Ontarions but to the shareholders of Ontario Hydro.

On ‎12‎/‎9‎/‎2018 at 11:55 AM, Zeitgeist said:

He is letting GM pull up stakes in Oshawa without a fight. 

How do you expect him to stop them? 

On ‎12‎/‎9‎/‎2018 at 11:55 AM, Zeitgeist said:

Now he's messing with transit and land use planning (taking over the Toronto Transit Commission, weakening the Greenbelt).  He could kill the golden goose if he isn't careful.

What golden goose? Transit in Toronto has been a festering, pus-filled boil for decades.

On ‎12‎/‎9‎/‎2018 at 11:55 AM, Zeitgeist said:

Ford is being ham fisted. 

??? This is a surprise to you!?

 

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2 hours ago, scribblet said:

True, but not all protesters are 'alt-right or far-right' as portrayed by the media and the left, Trudeau et al love to tar anyone with that brush if they so much as peep about wanting full debate and consideration of the issue.

Wanting a reasonable debate about how much immigration is too much is not racist or xenophobic but today, anyone who questions immigration or heaven forbid, wants secure borders and no illegal immigration, is that and worse, even nationalism and patriotism have become bad words.     Canada (nor any country) can take in all the worlds refugees and wannabes, if we did we would become a third world country, we have to be pragmatic and think about and what is good for us.   Besides, where would we house them, there's a shortage of housing now, and G.d forbid we should develop any green belt areas for low cost housing...

 

 

 

There's truth in what you're saying.  Everyone is so afraid of offending these days.  Free speech has become a trigger for a small but extremely vocal segment of the population, especially on university campuses.  People are running from disagreeable viewpoints to "safe spaces".  What?!  We're also witnessing the rewriting of history and emphasis on a certain range of perspectives.  I think it's a good thing to hear multiple perspectives, both from the those who have been marginalized and those in the mainstream, but some of the language is disturbing.  Even the word racialized is problematic.  It makes people sound like they've been sterilized or worse.  It sets a tone of victimization. 

I don't remember it being this tense even five years ago.  This is new.  When dialogue stops, people become even more polarized and fearful of the other side.  In Canada right now there's new legislation being introduced to prevent indigenous babies from being taken by Child and Family Services or the Children's Aid Society.  Ontario's Human Right's Commission has called such practices cultural genocide.  No doubt injustices were committed.  I do worry that now the pendulum will swing to the other extreme.  There's almost no discussion of the reasons why some babies were removed from their mothers: failure to address health needs, physical abuse, alcoholism or drug addiction, abject poverty...You can't discuss the topic in a political debate or workplace.  This fear of informed and open discussion is a serious problem. 

We do need open discussions about immigration.  I also don't think it makes people xenophobic to question the values and beliefs within a foreign culture if it seems to trample on human rights and the cultures of Canada's founding peoples.  I shouldn't have to fear for my life in Canada because someone considers me an infidel/kafir.  If we can't discuss these concerns openly, we will see more polarization and extreme views.

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25 minutes ago, Argus said:

Uh, nope. Getting rid of the guy in charge of Hydro One was tory policy before Ford took over. Also, the cost isn't to Ontarions but to the shareholders of Ontario Hydro.

How do you expect him to stop them? 

What golden goose? Transit in Toronto has been a festering, pus-filled boil for decades.

??? This is a surprise to you!?

 

Ontarians are the main shareholder of Ontario Hydro.  Ford's political interference is the reason we all have to pay.

I already gave my proposal for how to prevent GM and other companies from pulling up stakes in the GM thread.  It can only really work if such a policy is applied continent-wide, so it won't happen.  Too many people think they know better and Trump is Tariff Man.

The Green Belt won international awards for providing the population of a megalopolis with a protected area of parks, farms, and outdoor recreation.  It's a jewel that is part of the public trust and shouldn't be turned over to developers to build more cookie cutter sprawl and McMalls.  We have far too much of that shit already.

It's not a surprise.  I just hoped for more because the Liberals were in a long time and we needed change.  Ford is another guy who will scrap good policy just because it came from the other side.  Cap and trade was good policy.  Instead we're getting something lousy imposed on us.  

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This seems to make sense.

The problem with the Global Compact – signed by nearly 150 nations at a conference in Marrakech, Morocco on Monday – is not that it will set up some global government to enforce free migration of hundreds of millions of people over the objections of democratically elected national governments. Rather, the compact will be used by “progressives” in Western countries to promote and defend their existing politically correct agendas.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/gunter-the-migrant-compact-is-signed-heres-how-the-problems-will-unfold

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The problem with the Global Compact – signed by nearly 150 nations at a conference in Marrakech, Morocco on Monday – is not that it will set up some global government to enforce free migration of hundreds of millions of people over the objections of democratically elected national governments. Rather, the compact will be used by “progressives” in Western countries to promote and defend their existing politically correct agendas.

I knew it, progressives are the real problem not immigrants. But whatever are we to do about progressives? Wah!  I know we'll pick on immigrants instead...oh, wait a minute....WAH!

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On 12/11/2018 at 6:03 PM, Zeitgeist said:

Canada has its own immigration policies.  There are all sorts of UN agreements.  Remember Canada's commitment to raise spending on international development to .7 percent of GNI?  Canada hasn't always followed UN resolutions.  It always comes down to politics.  Based on current polls, Trudeau will be turfed in the next federal election.  We'll see an about face on a number of policies, some of them actually good ones.  Yes, the UN is up to all sorts of no good.  Look at the following horrific goals for global oppression:

The 17 sustainable development goals (SDGs) to transform our world:

GOAL 1: No Poverty

GOAL 2: Zero Hunger

GOAL 3: Good Health and Well-being

GOAL 4: Quality Education

GOAL 5: Gender Equality

GOAL 6: Clean Water and Sanitation

GOAL 7: Affordable and Clean Energy

GOAL 8: Decent Work and Economic Growth

GOAL 9: Industry, Innovation and Infrastructure

GOAL 10: Reduced Inequality

GOAL 11: Sustainable Cities and Communities

GOAL 12: Responsible Consumption and Production

GOAL 13: Climate Action

GOAL 14: Life Below Water

GOAL 15: Life on Land

GOAL 16: Peace and Justice Strong Institutions

GOAL 17: Partnerships to achieve the Goal

Goal 18: Round up all the plastic and turn it into chocolate.

Goal 19: Learn to speak with the animals.

Goal 20: Colonize the Universe.

I figured there should be an even number, and, while we're fantasizing...

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18 hours ago, turningrite said:

1. While the UN Compact for Migration isn't legally binding there's little doubt that it will serve to bolster attempts by the Lib government to enhance its framework for large-scale migration, a policy that I suspect it would like to cast in stone.

2. In this context, it would not be surprising were the Libs to implement policies amounting to censorship, which is a particular favorite of the so-called "progressive" crowd.

3. After all, Canada has now signed a UN pact the Lib government could trot out in support of such a policy. The problem with the constant pressure to replace free speech with supposedly acceptable speech is that we won't know what we've got until it's gone. Rational citizens should be very wary about this mentality taking hold.

1. 2. How does #2 follow from #1 ?  Neoliberal governments, including Harper, want to increase population to achieve conventional economic goals but you add #2 for some reason for the Liberals and say "it would not be surprising".  Then an ad hominem at the end.

3. What I see is scare-mongering and it's been happening for years.

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