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I think we as a country are too obessed with health care. All we hear is health care and the problems with it on the news. The provincial governments pay over 40% of their budget in health care. We picked Tommy Douglas, the father of medicare, as the greatest canadian. We need to stop feeding the monster and starting paying attention to other things. Like education.

In Ontario, we spend 6 dollars in health care for every one dollar in education. Whats the point of having good health care if we're not smart enough to give health care to people? We need more money in public education. But we should also have private schools so parents can have the choice. The tax credit for private schools is a good idea.

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The primary problem with providing public health care is that it is largely used to subsidize the US. Unfortunately for a very long time a great many Canadians have been getting a heavily subsidized education in Canada then moving to the US to earn more money (not knocking anyone for doing this). This lead to a circumstance where Canada was paying the bills and our neighbors were getting the benefits.

My solution to the problem is simple, every person should have a choice upon entering university they can either

A) pay 130% of cost to get an education (recovery plus profit)

or

B) sign a contract that stipulates they will not be charged for there education so long as they remain in Canada, if they should chose to leave the country they will owe the Canadian government 200% of the cost of education (150% + 50% bounty hunter overhead for recovery).

This would result in a situation where people could get an education but the public would not put up any money unless the individual used there education for the benefit of Canada as a whole.

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I think we as a country are too obessed with health care. All we hear is health care and the problems with it on the news. The provincial governments pay over 40% of their budget in health care. We picked Tommy Douglas, the father of medicare, as the greatest canadian. We need to stop feeding the monster and starting paying attention to other things. Like education.
I beg to differ. We should not stop paying attention to it, especially when we have had a long run of conservatives trying to dismantle it... (whether by privatization or underfunding). The problem with funding our health care is not fiscal, it is political. Mike Harris can cut taxes by $14 Billion, and left a huge deficit, and huge cuts to health care. If he hadn't cut $14 billion, there wouldn't be such a problem, would there ???? If Paul Martin hadn't cut corporate taxes by $100 Billion, maybe he could give Ontario back a little more.... So we could afford to properly fund both health care and education.
In Ontario, we spend 6 dollars in health care for every one dollar in education. Whats the point of having good health care if we're not smart enough to give health care to people? We need more money in public education. But we should also have private schools so parents can have the choice. The tax credit for private schools is a good idea.
You are evidence for your argument for advancement of education... I agree that we need more money in public education, as Jack Layton has forced Paul Martin to do.

But private schools are not public education. Private schools are for RICH PEOPLE ONLY... If wealthy families wish to send their children to private schools, that's fine... on their own dollar... We shouldn't subsidize them at all.

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I think we as a country are too obessed with health care. All we hear is health care and the problems with it on the news. The provincial governments pay over 40% of their budget in health care. We picked Tommy Douglas, the father of medicare, as the greatest canadian. We need to stop feeding the monster and starting paying attention to other things. Like education.
I beg to differ. We should not stop paying attention to it, especially when we have had a long run of conservatives trying to dismantle it... (whether by privatization or underfunding). The problem with funding our health care is not fiscal, it is political. Mike Harris can cut taxes by $14 Billion, and left a huge deficit, and huge cuts to health care. If he hadn't cut $14 billion, there wouldn't be such a problem, would there ???? If Paul Martin hadn't cut corporate taxes by $100 Billion, maybe he could give Ontario back a little more.... So we could afford to properly fund both health care and education.

Can't you see the problem here? Who is responsible for the problems in healthcare, is it the province of the feds?

Put healthcare back into the hands of the provinces and let them decide what to do with it.

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Can't you see the problem here?  Who is responsible for the problems in healthcare, is it the province of the feds?

Put healthcare back into the hands of the provinces and let them decide what to do with it.

It's not the jurisdiction, it's the colour of their stripes.... Conservative philosophies of not wanting to pay for the needs of the many seems to be the problem....

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The Mulroney government spent more on health care than Paul Martin did in his budgets. Private schools are not for rich people only, they are for smarter kids who are restricted by the public school system.

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Can't you see the problem here?  Who is responsible for the problems in healthcare, is it the province of the feds?

Put healthcare back into the hands of the provinces and let them decide what to do with it.

It's not the jurisdiction, it's the colour of their stripes.... Conservative philosophies of not wanting to pay for the needs of the many seems to be the problem....

When you say conservatives not wanting to pay, you do mean conservatives not wanting canadian citizens to have to pay, right?

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Conservatives are not spooky black hearted accountants who have a secret agenda. We care about health care, but we think there is need to reform the system. There is certainly money going to waaste in some areas of health care that need to be changed. Conservatives are about choices, like letting people chose if they want to pay for their healthcare.

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I think we as a country are too obessed with health care. All we hear is health care and the problems with it on the news. The provincial governments pay over 40% of their budget in health care. We picked Tommy Douglas, the father of medicare, as the greatest canadian. We need to stop feeding the monster and starting paying attention to other things. Like education.
I beg to differ. We should not stop paying attention to it, especially when we have had a long run of conservatives trying to dismantle it... (whether by privatization or underfunding). The problem with funding our health care is not fiscal, it is political. Mike Harris can cut taxes by $14 Billion, and left a huge deficit, and huge cuts to health care. If he hadn't cut $14 billion, there wouldn't be such a problem, would there ???? If Paul Martin hadn't cut corporate taxes by $100 Billion, maybe he could give Ontario back a little more.... So we could afford to properly fund both health care and education.
In Ontario, we spend 6 dollars in health care for every one dollar in education. Whats the point of having good health care if we're not smart enough to give health care to people? We need more money in public education. But we should also have private schools so parents can have the choice. The tax credit for private schools is a good idea.
You are evidence for your argument for advancement of education... I agree that we need more money in public education, as Jack Layton has forced Paul Martin to do.

But private schools are not public education. Private schools are for RICH PEOPLE ONLY... If wealthy families wish to send their children to private schools, that's fine... on their own dollar... We shouldn't subsidize them at all.

err are you saying that Mike Harris cut the health care budget? Because that is not true.

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The Mulroney government spent more on health care than Paul Martin did in his budgets. Private schools are not for rich people only, they are for smarter kids who are restricted by the public school system.

Yup spending was certienly never a problem for Mulroney, he sure could borrow money.

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The Mulroney government spent more on health care than Paul Martin did in his budgets. Private schools are not for rich people only, they are for smarter kids who are restricted by the public school system.

Did you mean "for smarter kids who are not restricted financially"?

And Mulroney started cutting our health care... and cutting, and cutting, and the Conservative Liberal Prime Minister Paul Martin just continued doing the same kind of thing.

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err are you saying that Mike Harris cut the health care budget? Because that is not true.

Do you not consider firing 12,000 nurses "cutting the health care budget". Call me a lefty, but I sorta think that's cutting the health care budget....

Actually, in his last year, he did some serious spending on health care... He gave contracts to tear down wings of hospitals to construction companies that donated to the conservative party... and he gave contracts to build new wings on hospitals, again to construction companies that donated to the conservative party.

but don't think that I'm just down on Conservatives... Dalton McGuilty's Liberals just made some announcments this week... but they weren't for doctors or nurses....

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err are you saying that Mike Harris cut the health care budget? Because that is not true.

Do you not consider firing 12,000 nurses "cutting the health care budget". Call me a lefty, but I sorta think that's cutting the health care budget....

Actually, in his last year, he did some serious spending on health care... He gave contracts to tear down wings of hospitals to construction companies that donated to the conservative party... and he gave contracts to build new wings on hospitals, again to construction companies that donated to the conservative party.

but don't think that I'm just down on Conservatives... Dalton McGuilty's Liberals just made some announcments this week... but they weren't for doctors or nurses....

Well he never cut health care spending.

Go here.

http://www.gov.on.ca/FIN/bud02e/health.htm

Yes he cut jobs for nurses but that isn't a cut on the over all budget. He may have made cuts to certain areas of health care, but he put it into another. Now i didn't agree with laying off nurses and he did come around even though he never admitted to his mistake. One of the areas he put alot more money was into drugs for the elderly and others who where on social assistance. Now would a good lefty not want the money to go there?

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Yes he cut jobs for nurses but that isn't a cut on the over all budget. He may have made cuts to certain areas of health care, but he put it into another. Now i didn't agree with laying off nurses and he did come around even though he never admitted to his mistake. One of the areas he put alot more money was into drugs for the elderly and others who where on social assistance. Now would a good lefty not want the money to go there?

He put money into drugs and for the elderly did he... Your documentation (link) does not attest to that at all. These people who were on social assistance... were they the same people he cut assistance to by about 50%....

The one think that I do know he spent money on wasbuilding contracts.... They built a new emergency ward on University Hospital in London, Ontario, that they had no budget, nor plans to hire any staff for... There are many more examples...

This is crookery.... So the books show that he spent more... on his pals with construction companies, he sure spent a lot of our health care dollars.... And people like you get sucked in every time....

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And he is the only politicion to waste money on his pals? And where are your links to prove your point that is what he did? All of them have done it since our country was founded. Even the leftist/socialists that you like. Have conservitives done it less or more than liberals? I don't think so.

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And he is the only politicion to waste money on his pals? And where are your links to prove your point that is what he did? All of them have done it since our country was founded. Even the leftist/socialists that you like. Have conservitives done it less or more than liberals? I don't think so.

The liberals have done it even this week... I don't think you remember all of the reports on the news of hospital wings being built that were not going to be staffed ...

Unfortunately, the NDP hasn't been in power long enough for you to accuse them of such. (Note that the public health-care system would not be here at all if it weren't for the left.)

I don't remember Mike Harris bending over backwards to help people on social assistance and the elderly.. (It seems awfully out of character for him to be helping this group of people that he spent most of his time villifying)

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Well what happened to the NDP in BC? Wasn't there a big scandal? The problem with politicians is they are all bought and paid for by the time they get to power and owe alot of people for it. And the only reason that the NDP don't have as many scadals is they have not been in power as much.

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Well what happened to the NDP in BC? Wasn't there a big scandal? The problem with politicians is they are all bought and paid for  by the time they get to power and owe alot of people for it. And the only reason that the NDP don't have as many scadals is they have not been in power as much.

Perhaps... but at least the NDP's policies are aimed at improving the lives of the citizens of Canada, rather than the mean-spirited goals of the Conservatives... Or the conservative fiscal policies of the current Liberals.... which don't care about sacrificing the poorer for corporate Canada.....

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