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Good for Canada, Layton declares

Commons backs `first NDP budget'

Party hints it has more on wish list

BRUCE CAMPION-SMITH

OTTAWA BUREAU

OTTAWA—New Democrats cheered a "banner day" for their party but warned that their support of the minority Liberals could be measured in weeks.

New Democrat MPs were beaming as the House of Commons gave first approval to a budget that contains billions of dollars in new spending they demanded of the Liberals in return for their votes in last night's showdown.

"It's the first NDP budget bill ever to be adopted by the House of Commons ... so we're pleased about that," party leader Jack Layton said after his 19-member caucus stood with the Liberals to help ensure the budget's passage.

"I think Canadians will now get some results that they've been waiting for for a long time," he said.

Layton, labelled the most trusted of the leaders in a recent Star poll, enjoyed congratulations from fellow New Democrats as they stood to show their support of the budget.

Layton struck an extraordinary budget deal with the Liberals late last month to add $4.6 billion in new spending over the next two years on housing, foreign aid, cities and education, as well as a delay in tax cuts for major corporations.

In return, the NDP pledged not to vote against the government until after the budget receives royal assent. The Liberals hope that will happen before the House rises for the summer on June 23.

But once the budget passes, the NDP warns all bets are off.

"We have to make sure the budget gets through all final stages," said Peter Stoffer (Sackville-Eastern Shore). After that, it's a "new ballgame."

New Democrats are dropping hints they're ready with a wish list of more demands if the Liberals hope to court their continuing support.

Now perhaps we are going to get the kind of Canadian government policies that Canadians have voted for, instead of this right wing corporate bullshit being dished out by the Martinites & Harperites.

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19 activist members of the NDP and they control the federal budget.

Whoever said you need a lot of people to effect positive progressive change sure was wrong.

Just as some comments show the stupidity, and lack of principles, of some Liberals.

Smarter Liberal heads however will prevail, and this budget will be passed lickety-split otherwise the already badly tarnished reputation of our current prime minister will be in the toilet for good.

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This month paul martin announced 20 billions $ of stuff, adding to this the 4,6 billions of the ndp... And after that the federal government keep saying their is no fiscal imbalance... while the total deficit of the provinces is at about 10 billions ?

And make no mistake their will still be big surplus at the end of the year or before the next election...

I think we shoul either have given this money to the province or pay back our debt wich is one of the biggest in the world if not the biggest...

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It is a sad day when 19 MP's control the nation's finances because Martin needs them to prop up this morally unfit authority. 19 MP's, less than 2 Million Canadians represented by these people, and they control the other 28 million's money.

It is truly a sad time for Canadian democracy. Buying power and time will bite the Liberals in the end, after Gomery we will see the demise of the Liberals.

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We have been paying off debt for the past 10 years. I think we should continue to do so, but it is also time for some spending on some social programs with nationwide standards. I'm really tired of the nonsense of such things as my healthcare card not being recognised in Quebec and vice versa.

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It is a sad day when 19 MP's control the nation's finances because Martin needs them to prop up this morally unfit authority. 19 MP's, less than 2 Million Canadians represented by these people, and they control the other 28 million's money.

The only reason the NDP have that power is the Conservatives abdicated their responsibility to hold the gov't accountable in order to try and grab the power for themselves. This orgy of spending would have never happened if the CPC had not threatened to defeat the gov't over Gomery. The actions of the CPC over the last few weeks have completely undermined its own moral authority.

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It is a sad day when 19 MP's control the nation's finances because Martin needs them to prop up this morally unfit authority. 19 MP's, less than 2 Million Canadians represented by these people, and they control the other 28 million's money.

The only reason the NDP have that power is the Conservatives abdicated their responsibility to hold the gov't accountable in order to try and grab the power for themselves. This orgy of spending would have never happened if the CPC had not threatened to defeat the gov't over Gomery. The actions of the CPC over the last few weeks have completely undermined its own moral authority.

Regards

So when the opposition attempts to remove an unjust and corrupt government they aren't working? Sorry but it's impossible to blame the Liberals lack of a backbone and any sound principles on the CPC.

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So when the opposition attempts to remove an unjust and corrupt government they aren't working? Sorry but it's impossible to blame the Liberals lack of a backbone and any sound principles on the CPC.

Sorry, just because the CPC says the Liberals are corrupt does not make true. All the facts uncovered at Gomery point to a realtively small group of individuals who were operating without approval or knowledge of most people in the Liberal party. There is absolutely no real evidence that implicates any of the sitting MPs for the Liberals (There is lots of hearsay - no evidence).

The CPC could have choosen to stick to policy principles and, for example, push the gov't to deliver more tax cuts. Instead, they decide to create this fiction of a corrupt government in the hopes that Canadians would come running into their arms. That strategy completely backfired since the CPC is no closer to forming a majority than they were last year but now we have the added burden of all that extra spending because the CPC did not do its job.

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we have the 5th biggest debt in the world:

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbo...r/2079rank.html

and if we add provincial debt....

We also have the 10 largest economy. Having $1,000,000 of debt is fine if you make 2,000,000/year. It is a big problem if you only make $50,000/year.

We should then have the 10th biggest debt, wich is 2 time smaller and with the provincial debt maybe 4-5 time smaller.

We should have a 4-5 time smaller debt, thanks to trudeau and murloney....

It should be our top priority.

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We should then have the 10th biggest debt, wich is 2 time smaller and with the provincial debt maybe 4-5 time smaller.

We should have a 4-5 time smaller debt, thanks to trudeau and murloney....

It should be our top priority.

I agree that eliminating provincial deficits and paying down existing debt is very important. However, Canada is currently in very good financial shape when compared to all other G7 countries and there is no need for anyone to be alarmed. If something changes which pushes the Federal gov't back into a deficit position then we need to worry.

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We should then have the 10th biggest debt, wich is 2 time smaller and with the provincial debt maybe 4-5 time smaller.

We should have a 4-5 time smaller debt, thanks to trudeau and murloney....

It should be our top priority.

I agree that eliminating provincial deficits and paying down existing debt is very important. However, Canada is currently in very good financial shape when compared to all other G7 countries and there is no need for anyone to be alarmed. If something changes which pushes the Federal gov't back into a deficit position then we need to worry.

Spawhawk has the right of it. We aren't in a debt crisis at the moment.

Continuing to pay the debt down is important. More important though, is getting the Bank of Canada to assume more of the foreign debt. We're paying 16%-22% interest on foreign debt instead of 1% to the Bank of Canada. It doesn't have the reserves to handle all our foreign debt but it can take some of the load off. The interest saved would go a long way to paying off even more debt.

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Ok, we don't have to be alarmed but i think thats where extra money should go since we have a bigger debt than other similar country. Social program should only be provincial matters and IMO we don't need more right now :D we should just try to keep the one we have right now.

Trudeau, Mulroney, & Lesveque were/are Quebeckers just as Layton, Chretien, & Duceppe are. 

You forgot Paul Martin :D,

I think it explain well why we have such a high debt :D next time don't vote for a quebecker :D.

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It is a sad day when 19 MP's control the nation's finances because Martin needs them to prop up this morally unfit authority. 19 MP's, less than 2 Million Canadians represented by these people, and they control the other 28 million's money.

It is truly a sad time for Canadian democracy. Buying power and time will bite the Liberals in the end, after Gomery we will see the demise of the Liberals.

The NDP didn't control anything, the Liberals schooled em. They got more time to get back just enough support from Quebec, regain just enough support from Ontario, and get their ducks in a row and then the writ is dropped, perhaps by the government orchestrating it's own defeat, perhaps Martin calls an election. But either way the Liberals will be back to a majority, they're only 22 away right now. that's like what? 5-7 points nationally? and then the Ultra Right CONs, the Ultra Left N-Dippers and the Bloc can go piss up their backs and call it rain.

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This month paul martin announced 20 billions $ of stuff, adding to this the 4,6 billions of the ndp... And after that the federal government keep saying their is no fiscal imbalance... while the total deficit of the provinces is at about 10 billions ?

And make no mistake their will still be big surplus at the end of the year or before the next election...

I think we shoul either have given this money to the province or pay back our debt wich is one of the biggest in the world if not the biggest...

Actually Canada's national debt is about average with that of other industrialized nations and has in fact been shrinking steadily over the past ten or so year, due in part to the somewhat draconian measures of Paul Martin when he was the Finance Minister. One could say that Martin was the best Conserative Finance Minister this country has ever had. :lol:

The nation that hold the honour (or dishonour depending on you point of view) of having the largest and arguable most unmanagable national debt it the USA. And said debt has been growing by leap and bounds under the current Bush Neo-con administration. Funny thing was, that under Clinton, the US was actually lowering both its debt and spending.

If you want to see what Canada's spending and debt would be like under Harper and the CA, one doesn't have to look any further then south of the border. Increased spending, ballooning debt and deminishing services. That is Harpers vision of our Nation.

On a side note, I met the man once and shook his hand.....he struck me as a used car sellsman trying to pawn off a really bad lemon to me. After shaking his hand, I beat feet to the nearest washroom and spent ten minutes trying to scrub the slime off.

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Scott.....give it a break.

There is not the slightest indication than any party is going to have a majority next time around, and that is why the Canadian electorate wants to wait for an election - why bother holding an election if nothing is going to change.

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Scott....you can huff and puff all you want.

You know as well as I do that Martin has been discredited in the eyes of the Canadian public.

Do you seriously think it is only the Cons that need a leadership review? What ever happened to the 250 seats that Martin was supposed to bring aboard the Liberal express.

Mr Dithers has been a dismal failure, and it it is time you woke up to that fact. :lol:

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Scott....you can huff and puff all you want.

You know as well as I do that Martin has been discredited in the eyes of the Canadian public.

Do you seriously think it is only the Cons that need a leadership review? What ever happened to the 250 seats that Martin was supposed to bring aboard the Liberal express.

Mr Dithers has been a dismal failure, and it it is time you woke up to that fact.  :lol:

Coming from a guy who supports a party who's never formed government that's rich.

And if you can't admit Cretien torpedoed Martin then you need your head examined.

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I thimk you are just about right, Ceemes. ScottBrison is no far off the amrk though, Elections are never about more than a few percentage points shoft - it has been estimated that there is only really about a four percent of the electorate that can be swung in any election.

The polls suggest that is all that has happened so far and it it seems to be swinging back to the Liberals. 3 or 4% above where the lasr poll stood could give them a modest majority. Less than that and the NDP becomes a very important factor.

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