Army Guy Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Does Canada really need a military force? Could we be one of the first nations to exist with one? And do we as Canadians know something the rest of the world does not in regards to self protection? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoker Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 I think this goes back to the thread about "sub-contracting out" our defence to another nation (ie. the United States), and perhaps giving some roles (ie SAR) oover to other government departments and/or private ventures. With that being said, I would only want to heed the warning of a old quote that I remeber (Ben Franklin I think) "A nation that beats it's swords into ploughshares, will eventually be ruled by the nation that didn't" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfie Canadian Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 And do we as Canadians know something the rest of the world does not in regards to self protection?Well let me be the one to state the obvious: no we don't, we just happen to live next to the world's only military superpower who has a vested interest in protecting our security in order to protect it's own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted February 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 stoker: We already know that there is no group large enough to protect us....and there is not to many nations the US wants sitting on it's border.....that leaves the US...are you not scared of the US becoming even more dominating or in controling of Canada. The reason i say this is there is an alot of anti americanism in Canada Now wait until they run our security..... Newfie Canadian: What vested interest do they have in protecting all of Canada....recently in the world court Denmark has laid claim to parts of the north...what would stop them from just taking it....and why would the US care...they like Denmark... Are you willing to lose what little voice we have in the world affairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoker Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 stoker:We already know that there is no group large enough to protect us....and there is not to many nations the US wants sitting on it's border.....that leaves the US...are you not scared of the US becoming even more dominating or in controling of Canada. The reason i say this is there is an alot of anti americanism in Canada Now wait until they run our security..... I think you may have missed my point (in this thread and others) in that these people that are opposed to the growing American influence on Canada, are the ones that are pushing us towads it. As for myself being concerend about the ever growing US influence, to be honest, no. In some aspects I'm disappointed and for the most part, I'm coming to accept it. I've had the argument many times over the pros and cons of the United States, with friends, family and other posters here and the most commone "retort" i get from the other side is "if you like it so much, why don't you just move there (USA)?"............Well if things contiune as is, and I've seen no reason that they won't, I won't have go to the States, the States will come to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted February 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Stoker: The lights are coming on...I agree totally... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 Does Canada really need a military force? Could we be one of the first nations to exist with one? And do we as Canadians know something the rest of the world does not in regards to self protection? No, we really don't have any need of a military. Now. Unfortunately, there is no world supply store where, if we DO someday have a need of a military, we can pick one up off the shelf and kick start it into motion. I've been paying for insurance for twenty years. Never used it. Never needed it. I will continue to pay for it for the next twenty or thirty or hopefully forty or fifty more years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ft.niagara Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 I've had the argument many times over the pros and cons of the United States, with friends, family and other posters here and the most commone "retort" i get from the other side is "if you like it so much, why don't you just move there (USA)?"............Well if things contiune as is, and I've seen no reason that they won't, I won't have go to the States, the States will come to me. Group hug!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digby Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 I think we should try to be the first nation to have an all gay army , lets just kick the straits out. If that don't work we could get France to protect us from them big bad americans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B. Max Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 Well if we don't need a military then we don't need a federal government since that is its most primary reason for being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim1989 Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 I think Canada should have a military just for self defense if anything ever happens short notice. Like Pearl Harbor for an example it came from no where. And if Canada didn't have any army at all we'd be screwed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caesar Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 This is a dumb topic. We have a military; small though it is. We have always had a military and we always will. We do not have any need for an American style military; Canada does not invade other nations. We are not turning over our defense to the USA. Joining the USA in its illegal aggressions is the biggest reason that we would have to need a military. We don't have to be sucked into the arms race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted March 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 Carsar: This is a dumb topic. You are entitled to your opinion...., the reason i made this post was me and serveral other Infantry Soldiers were having a discussion at work...It's topic was that the citizens of Canada would not even notice if it's military just ceased to exist...nor do they care if Canada has a military or not....This attitude is taken from the way Canada treats it's military in regards to it's budget or other priorities.... We have a military; small though it is. We have always had a military and we always will. We do not have any need for an American style military; Yes your right Canada has always in one form or another had some sort of military force...Boar war...a massive recruitment drive had to be done to send Canadian troops to SA...in such a hurry that training was not completed...Canadian soldiers paid the price with there lives. WWI at the start the Canadian military was just a few thousand personal strong...a major recruitment drive and again we sent alot of green ,not fully trained Canadian soldiers into battle agian we paid for that mistake in Blood.... then WWII came canada srambled to put together a force to send over seas ...this time we were lucky and they were not thrown into battle but were allow some training.... Korea comes along a major recruitment drive ...again green,not fully trained personal are thrown into war...again we pay that with blood of our young soldiers.... So you see Canada learns nothing from history other than those soldiers /citizens have to learn the art of warfare with the blood of many young Canadians...this is just one reason we need a moderate Armed forces.... Canada does invade other countries it's well published in our military history....normandy was an invasion...so was the landing in korea....etc etc. Members of the Armed forces, dozens of individuls, groups,nations, NATO, UN have continuely asked Canada to something in regards to our forces....we as a nation continuely nod yes, ....we are embrassed but will do nothing... To sum -up WE wanted to know as serving members within DND is our sarcrafice worth our time and effort... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caesar Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 What sacrifice?? My nephew was in the Navy; 20 years with out a day facing any military action. Free training is given in many areas that can be transferred to civillian life. He resigned as soon as the Iraq invasion came up with a good pension at 40 years old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted March 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 Caesar: What sacrifice?? My nephew was in the Navy; 20 years with out a day facing any military action. Are you suggesting that todays Canadian soldier is not sacraficing anything for thier country.... May i ask what you do for a living,and what sacrafice you have made that allows you to condemn those that serve Canada today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caesar Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 I am not condemning them at all. Just don't care for the chest beating. I would imagine police officers face more danger. You chose the profession; accepting the obvious dangers. Quit your whining Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iknowbest Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 This is a dumb topic. We have a military; small though it is. We have always had a military and we always will. We do not have any need for an American style military; Canada does not invade other nations. We are not turning over our defense to the USA. Joining the USA in its illegal aggressions is the biggest reason that we would have to need a military. We don't have to be sucked into the arms race. The sorry excuse for a socialist government aka Liberals have destroyed our military, our health care system and our country's integrity. The liberals are an embarrassment and definitely very corrupt. Ever since Trudeau and he was the President of the Communist Youth League of Canada, every political leader from Quebec has demonstrated that they are liars, cheats, corrupt and don't give a rats ass about Canadians other than buying votes. Canadians no longer are running this country, French Quebecers are and if you don't like it tough. Until you mature and vote those crooks out of power and elect only a government that has leader that is not from quebec then Canadians have a chance. Once again Canada has no military. It has been destroyed by Quebecers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum Admin Greg Posted March 2, 2005 Forum Admin Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 Once again Canada has no military. It has been destroyed by Quebecers! I don't like this kind of talk. As I've said in the past,, I won't tolerate these types of generalizations, mistruths and insults about [Quebec] or any other province/city/region. If you can't debate with facts and respect, then I suggest you find some other forum to participate in. Reading your post, your problem seems to be with leaders from Quebec, not actual Quebecois. Greg Admin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iknowbest Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 Once again Canada has no military. It has been destroyed by Quebecers! I don't like this kind of talk. As I've said in the past,, I won't tolerate these types of generalizations, mistruths and insults about [Quebec] or any other province/city/region. If you can't debate with facts and respect, then I suggest you find some other forum to participate in. Reading your post, your problem seems to be with leaders from Quebec, not actual Quebecois. Greg Admin Greg there is a profound truth out there and you are avoiding facing it. I could care less if you don't like this kind of talk and I suppose it is because its the truth. Let me tell you this fact. Over 10,000 French Quebecers left heir homes jobs whatever and moved to NorthEastern Ontario because they were embarrased by the low mentality of French Quebecers. Many of them relocated to my home town and I have met quite a few of them and they detest and hate the Quebecois.Heck even the folks in France can't stand them nor do French Canadians. Quebcois suck. That is their way of life . They are big time anti-American, anti Canadian military, trust me this is fact. We live across the border from them and have stopped going there because of their horrible attitude. Many of those real French Canadians who are still stuck there also can't stand them. They are a blight and a serious problem tio Canadian Politics. I have been to France at least a dozen times and have seen all kinds of business signs in different languages such as Arabic, Dutch, German, Russian, Cantonese, Mandarin, Spanish etc etc etc and non of these signs are bilingual. Also there are no language cops in France. To conclude the reason our military is barely a skeleton of what it once was is because of the big influence the Quebecois have on what was once our Canadian Government! There are NO leaders from Quebec just corrupt lying anti democratic types that should be exiled. THAT IS A FACT !! Tell me do you believe in the charter of rights and freedoms and freedom of speech? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 Aren't a disproportionately large number of Armed Forces personnel from Quebec? -kimmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tawasakm Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 This is a little off topic but that is a very intersting signature you have there Kimmy Iknowbest (not an inspiring name) Tell me do you believe in the charter of rights and freedoms and freedom of speech? Realistically Greg can do whatever he wishes on this site. What he is doing, in my view, is protecting the integrity of the discussion. Which means that posters who don't follow the guidelines and the 'spirit' of Maple Leaf may run the risk of being banned etc. In my view freedom of expression does exist here so long as you can support your claims. This is the important addendum which is meant to set a standard of reasonable debate. Thats entirely between the two of you but I thought I would make that distinction for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iknowbest Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 Aren't a disproportionately large number of Armed Forces personnel from Quebec? -kimmy Quite a few of them are. Most of them are in the Air Force . I know a considerable number of military personnel and believe me they are not happy and they know the source and also why. In fact many have told me that the reason Quebecois and politicians from there are anti-military is because if they get close to separation or another FLQ type crisis they don't want the military to be effective in any way. At base Petawawa there are over 1850 vehicles grounded because of defective axles. The Fed won't give them any money to fix it. When Piss Face Chretien came into power he ordered the payment of $500million payout to get out of the helicopter deal that was in the works. Our CF-18s need major rehab work. No Money. Our submarines? HUH ! Piss Face chretien a=did it again. Our new CDS General Hillier from Newfoundland was screwed by the Quebecois politicians by NOT giving them the money that they need NOW! Five yearsw from now maybe. Some folks just don't get it and never will untill it is too late. The anti-missile shield which would have cost Canada nothing was also rejected. As a result this is going to cost Canada a load of money and other problems. Thank you Liberals from Quebec and that is the main source of this crap. Some will not like it but facts are facts and I did not create them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iknowbest Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 This is a little off topic but that is a very intersting signature you have there Kimmy Iknowbest (not an inspiring name) Tell me do you believe in the charter of rights and freedoms and freedom of speech? Realistically Greg can do whatever he wishes on this site. What he is doing, in my view, is protecting the integrity of the discussion. Which means that posters who don't follow the guidelines and the 'spirit' of Maple Leaf may run the risk of being banned etc. In my view freedom of expression does exist here so long as you can support your claims. This is the important addendum which is meant to set a standard of reasonable debate. Thats entirely between the two of you but I thought I would make that distinction for you. You make a good post. The problem when it comes to folks across Canada being truthfully informed is so far away from reality. The media is mostly owned by the Liberals for example The Toronto Star, Ottawa Citizen and so on, so when any issue is reported it is 100% biased in favour of ? In the Ottawa area where we now live it is sickening when we learn about all of the nonsense, corruption, cheating, lying and on and on by the the Liberal Government and the very strong influence the Quebers have. Read The Star or or other newspapers or hey try the CBC WOW ! That is the mouth organ of the Liberals. We call the liberals something else and deservedly so. Unfortunately there is a strong movement and influence to bury truths and facts and allow the spin doctors to appear as truth servers which is very very far from the truth. The past 25 years our military has suffered severely and is just a token force used for International Political expediency or shovelling snow in Toronto. Can our military protect Canada from serious insurgency or terrorism? Not a chance in hell. The liberal version" Mankind will do it!! LOL LOL LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted March 3, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 Caesar: I am not condemning them at all. Just don't care for the chest beating. I would imagine police officers face more danger. You chose the profession; accepting the obvious dangers. Quit your whining You have painted them all with the same Brush. This is your quote below is it not......you've based your opinon on one individuals service record that are over 10 years old now... What sacrifice?? My nephew was in the Navy; 20 years with out a day facing any military action. Free training is given in many areas that can be transferred to civillian life. He resigned as soon as the Iraq invasion came up with a good pension at 40 years old. I glad that you keep-up with current affairs especially when it comes to our service men and women, I think they would be more than thrilled to hear your opinions from you... I would imagine police officers face more danger. That is why there are more Canadian Armed Forces persons killed every year in the line of duty than all of police forces in Canada combined....Again thank-you for keeping-up with current affairs. "Chest beating" if that is what you call a few military members trying to figure out whether to quit or not because they do not figure it is worth it any more than sure....again you are entitled to your opinion...and we have already seen how you form your opinions... You chose the profession; accepting the obvious dangers. Quit your whining Your right i and many like me did chose to serve our country, and we excepted that in doing so that there would be many times our lives would be in danger.... But we also expected our country to provide us all the tools to do the job, affording us the maxium safety possiable...and they are not doing that, they are not living up to their end of the deal....so if thats what you call whinning then yes i'm guilty along with 53,000 other military members....... But it's easy to judge others from your lazy boy chair,form a few opinons from next to no information...then belch out how things should work in your world....I sir, work and train in the real world every day....and before you judge me or any other DND Member do some research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iknowbest Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 Hey there Army Guy good post. The problem you have generated for him is that you told the truth and that hurts him to no end. He along far too many others cannot handle facts or truth. They do not want to hear or read it. I am very much aware of what you and thousands of others go through and we have these nerds( many of them from Quebec , FACT ) who could care less about you men and women and would like to see the forces go away. The treatment by these hypocritical sorry excuse for leaders like Chretien and Martin, ugh is an embarrassment to real Canadians. I don't know how Gen Hillier is going make out or even last because of the BS budget the Martin Government passed to un-assist DND. What a joke. Once again you folks better hope there is no huge disaster going to take place in Canada over the next five years because if it does then the money will be removed from DND's budget like it ALWAYS is. Remember the agricultural crisis in the prairies soome years ago? The Liberals took $800 million out of DND's budget to pay those farmers out west, aka buy votes. Those liberals aren't liberals they have another name that is totally accurate. Good luck to you and if offered a ride on one of our Subs refuse it. Sky King helicopter, refuse it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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