Canada should renounce democracy

[Zeitgeist]

I’d love to be able to ignore American policy, except that its international impact is too significant.  

Edited July 13, 2018 by Zeitgeist

[Argus]

On ‎7‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 1:59 PM, turningrite said:

It's not really a valid comparison because if you have a fire your insurance will likely cover the cost of most or all your damages after you cover the deductible. With defense, on the other hand, there's a substantial difference in scale to consider. The scale of the military forces we might confront, including the U.S. or Russia, are so vastly greater than anything this country can afford as to render military spending tokenism.

The easier you make it for someone to attack you, the more likely they will do so. Would Russia have tried to pull that stuff in Ukraine if Ukraine had a strong, modern, robust army? Oh, Russia could have beat them fairly easily anyway. But it would have been a fight. As it was, the Ukrainian army was so ill-equipped the Russians were able to basically send people in without uniforms, pretend they were local 'partisans' to take control of various government buildings, then organize a 'militia' which again, was mostly Russians to take over. They were able to do all this without even using much of their own military might. No air power to speak of. No tanks. Etc. Now, if they'd had to actually fight for it, to openly invade, maybe they wouldn't have done it.

 

[GostHacked]

On 7/13/2018 at 11:01 AM, Zeitgeist said:

I’d love to be able to ignore American policy, except that its international impact is too significant.  

Agreed!

[paxamericana]

3 hours ago, GostHacked said:

Agreed!

Ah so this is the heart of your international angst against america. Fair enough, I'd feel that way too if China becomes the next hedgemon.

 Look, as long as we still adopt the nation state model you are going to have to use a rule based order that the us setup to avoid feeling a lack of control. Right now that order is being re written to be more fair for Americans.

Edited July 14, 2018 by paxrom

[bush_cheney2004]

7 minutes ago, paxrom said:

....Look, as long as we still adopt the nation state model you are going to have to use a rule based order that the us setup to avoid feeling a lack of control. Right now that order is being re written to be more fair for Americans.

 

Agreed...the Americans did not create the European empire battles and imperialism that led to two world wars and a lot of other conflicts, with ramifications to this day.   But if they make America come over there, Americans are bringing American values with them.   Even those who hate Trump's antics concede he is right about the NATO deadbeat's funding commitments.

[taxme]

On 7/11/2018 at 2:53 PM, paxrom said:

I find this political satire to be most accurate with the over political correctness. 

 

Political correctness is so entrenched in this french controlled country called Canada that it is a wonder that we are still allowed to speak in English only without french subtitles. LOL. So, I have to appear to be politically correct now and say Hello/Bonjour just in case the language police are watching. 

Billions upon billions of the rest of Canada's English Canadian tax dollars have gone down the drain just so francophonies can feel at home in the rest of the country, despite the fact that they do not even want to have anything to do with the English language. When one enters Ontario or New Brunswick from Quebec the sign will say welcome/bienvenue. But when one enters Quebec the sign will say bienvenue only. The french keep laughing at the English speaking people in their faces and the English keep asking for more funny faces.

Don't laugh though. I wonder as to how long it will be before America will be forced to become a bilingual country seeing that there are millions upon millions of Spanish speaking people living in America now and their population is getting bigger?     

Ola!    

 

[taxme]

On 7/11/2018 at 4:43 PM, Army Guy said:

This bulletin has measured per-person federal debt that Canadian prime ministers have accumulated from 1870 to the end of Justin Trudeau’s first term in 2019. By the end of his term, Justin Trudeau is expected to be the largest debt accumulator among prime ministers who did not experience a world war or at least one economic downturn during their tenure. The only other two prime ministers to increase federal debt without fighting a world war or experiencing an economic downturn are Sir Mackenzie Bowell and Sir John Abbott who both served in the late 19th century.
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/default/files/analysis-of-federal-debt-in-canada-by-prime-ministers-since-confederation.pdf

And while I agree with you Harper did rack up an impressive debt, but as I remember it it was mostly spent on economic growth, and at both the liberals and NDP request.....now if we are going to point fingers maybe we should have a look at those liberals, guys like Justins father ,  Mulroney adjust them to todays dollars and we will see who is really responsible for debt....

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/default/files/analysis-of-federal-debt-in-canada-by-prime-ministers-since-confederation.pdf

you don't like the source I can get another if you like.....

 

Canada appears to not be a democracy anymore but appears to have become a dictatorship country. Just in case you cannot figure out as to why Canada is in a deep state debt crisis is because of all of our politically correct pro rest of the world politicians who for decades now have been throwing away our tax dollars and has been giving those tax dollars away to other countries who dam well do not deserve our tax dollars. They are not provinces or territories of Canada. Pathetic.  

For example as to where and how our Canadian tax dollars are being wasted is below. 

1. $2.65 billion tax dollars are going to developing nations to help fight climate change. 

2. $13 million dollar cheque going to help Vietnamese farmers. 

3. $15 million dollar cheque for job training in Africa. 

4. $4.25 million dollar cheque for infrastructure in Indonesia. 

5. $1.75 million tax dollars going to help save whales. 

The list is endless for where your tax dollars are being blown on foreign projects that Canadians are being forced to pay for. But I don't think that you could careless about that or do you? Just wondering. 

[taxme]

On 7/11/2018 at 10:56 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:

Canada's democracy sure does spend a lot of time worrying about the United States...even more than itself.

For reasons that I don't understand, Canadian media frets over a Supreme Court nominee in a foreign nation....why ?

Why? Because there are just too many Canadians who are just totally clueless in the head. Indeed more Canadians spend nore time bashing Trump and caring about some Supreme Court pick that has nothing at all to do with Canadians. I was watching the CBC news network a week ago and saw those so called CBC reporters and journalists talking about Trump's SC decision. Why do they care anyway?  Now why would that be of any concern for Canada or Canadians? The CBC will look for any excuse to attack Trump. It's endless with those left wing liberal snowflakes. 

But I guess that you can't really blame the clueless for appearing so clueless most times. It is our left wing anti-Trump main scream liberal media that does the thinking and speaking for most clueless Canadians. Now if those clueless Canadians would show a lot more concern about what is really going on in their own country instead that would and should go a long way to help to make Canada great again. As long as red Tories/liberalism/socialism and communism are allowed to continue to control Canada on the path towards destruction and failure there never will be any real true democracy in Canada. Don't bother trying to figure most Canadians out. Most are truly an exercise in futility to do so. I have found that out from experience dealing with so many of them. Just saying. 

[taxme]

On 7/14/2018 at 8:48 AM, GostHacked said:

Agreed!

That is because Canada is so insignificant on the world scene thanks to our dear Canadian leaders. America could careless what Canada thinks because they do not need Canada to survive. Believe it or not. 

[taxme]

On 7/14/2018 at 12:47 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Agreed...the Americans did not create the European empire battles and imperialism that led to two world wars and a lot of other conflicts, with ramifications to this day.   But if they make America come over there, Americans are bringing American values with them.   Even those who hate Trump's antics concede he is right about the NATO deadbeat's funding commitments.

I am getting use to paying more and more in taxes anyway. So what is another few Canadian tax dollars to go to help pay our share in NATO. 

Some people put their dollars in bank accounts or invest their dollars in stocks, bonds or whatever to make money. But for me I always invest my money in taxes?

Why you may ask?  Because taxes are always going up. I can never lose. LOL. 

[taxme]

On 7/11/2018 at 5:01 PM, Jimwd said:

 I am a patriot. I like my country. You on the other hand view it differently, so leave,

LOL. So, just where are you showing me here as to where you are being such a patriot for Canada? Over. 

[Queenmandy85]

3 hours ago, taxme said:

Some people put their dollars in bank accounts or invest their dollars in stocks, bonds or whatever to make money. But for me I always invest my money in taxes?

That's good. If we do as the US asks and raise our Defence budget to 4% of GDP next year, the Defence budget will rise from 25 billion to 60 billion. So, if we are going to add 35 billion to Defence and, as you also recommend, get rid of the deficit, your taxes are going to go waaaayyyyy up. 

[paxamericana]

6 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

That's good. If we do as the US asks and raise our Defence budget to 4% of GDP next year, the Defence budget will rise from 25 billion to 60 billion. So, if we are going to add 35 billion to Defence and, as you also recommend, get rid of the deficit, your taxes are going to go waaaayyyyy up. 

Well the math is simple, either go into deficit or see this generation as the last generation of free westerners. 

[GostHacked]

On 7/14/2018 at 3:34 PM, paxrom said:

Ah so this is the heart of your international angst against america. Fair enough, I'd feel that way too if China becomes the next hedgemon.

 Look, as long as we still adopt the nation state model you are going to have to use a rule based order that the us setup to avoid feeling a lack of control. Right now that order is being re written to be more fair for Americans.

Negative, it is angst towards the corrupt government that is in control of America. It's good to understand the difference. Otherwise you look like an idiot.    And China is ALREADY the next hegemony. The USA just has not really come to grips with that as they helped China get to that state. Trump will try to reverse that change, but that is already decades in the making and he will not solve it before he leaves office (even if he gets a second term).

However you probably have that one neighbor that you try to ignore, but they screw things up for the rest of the neighborhood it's hard to ignore it. The USA is that problematic powerful neighbor that is causing issues locally and issues in other neighborhoods.

[paxamericana]

23 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

The USA just has not really come to grips with that as they helped China get to that state.

 

Lols i can sense the hate.

Helping China rise is the right thing to do, however, Trump is trying to level the playing field for Americans, one in which our "allies" as well as our competitor have been taking advantage of. Trade and defence are two areas of imbalance one in which we Americans feel as though we were a charity. "It's good to understand the difference. Otherwise you look like an idiot."

[Jimwd]

1 hour ago, paxrom said:

 

Lols i can sense the hate.

Helping China rise is the right thing to do, however, Trump is trying to level the playing field for Americans, one in which our "allies" as well as our competitor have been taking advantage of. Trade and defence are two areas of imbalance one in which we Americans feel as though we were a charity. "It's good to understand the difference. Otherwise you look like an idiot."

Everyone knows the best way to level the playing field is to lie to allies, insult them and praise dictators.

 

[GostHacked]

1 hour ago, paxrom said:

 

Lols i can sense the hate.

Helping China rise is the right thing to do, however, Trump is trying to level the playing field for Americans, one in which our "allies" as well as our competitor have been taking advantage of. Trade and defence are two areas of imbalance one in which we Americans feel as though we were a charity. "It's good to understand the difference. Otherwise you look like an idiot."

9 hours ago, paxrom said:

Our only objective with Russia is the middle east and Afghanistan. Other than that, they are competitors. If Russia however did magically give up its claim of Ukraine and decides to join NATO then that would be one step closer to a one world order. China would be all that is left but even then China is slowly westernizing. This is why the US did not try to stop China's rise. We see a democratic China, one that is fully integrated with the rule based order would be much more beneficial to the world. 

You even know the difference, (this post is from a different thread). IN this thread you said my notion of outsourcing was not part of the problem, but then in the other thread you admit to just that. Keep consistent or else you WILL be tripped up. And so far that has not been hard to do.

 

Your own counter to your own stance is on this page here. 

 

Edited July 16, 2018 by GostHacked

[paxamericana]

2 hours ago, GostHacked said:

You even know the difference, (this post is from a different thread). IN this thread you said my notion of outsourcing was not part of the problem, but then in the other thread you admit to just that. Keep consistent or else you WILL be tripped up. And so far that has not been hard to do.

 

Your own counter to your own stance is on this page here. 

 

Could you clarify where I'm contradictory?

[GostHacked]

 

19 minutes ago, paxrom said:

Could you clarify where I'm contradictory?

Yes check the posts where your one post from the other thread counters the first quote from this thread. I did that all for you. You are blaming China for the amount of outsourcing that the USA has moved to China.

[paxamericana]

27 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

 

Yes check the posts where your one post from the other thread counters the first quote from this thread. I did that all for you. You are blaming China for the amount of outsourcing that the USA has moved to China.

Hmmm lets clarify it now. Helping china integrate to the world order is good. Countering china's excessive/illegal territorial claim and predatory economics are a necessity. 

[taxme]

19 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

That's good. If we do as the US asks and raise our Defence budget to 4% of GDP next year, the Defence budget will rise from 25 billion to 60 billion. So, if we are going to add 35 billion to Defence and, as you also recommend, get rid of the deficit, your taxes are going to go waaaayyyyy up. 

Maybe it is time for Canada to just get rid of the military and get out of NATO altogether and save that 60 billion from being blown on foolishness where Canada could take that 60 billion and spend it on and for Canadians? Is it really necessary anymore for Canada to have a military? Where and how are we doing anything with our military that is good and great for Canada or Canadians? Canada is not going to attack another country by ourselves and if we tried would we win? Sad to say it but we are not a warmongering nation like our next door neighbor is. They always like to have a few wars going on somewhere in the world. It helps to keep their economy going. Just saying. 

[paxamericana]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

Maybe it is time for Canada to just get rid of the military and get out of NATO altogether and save that 60 billion from being blown on foolishness where Canada could take that 60 billion and spend it on and for Canadians? Is it really necessary anymore for Canada to have a military? Where and how are we doing anything with our military that is good and great for Canada or Canadians? Canada is not going to attack another country by ourselves and if we tried would we win? Sad to say it but we are not a warmongering nation like our next door neighbor is. They always like to have a few wars going on somewhere in the world. It helps to keep their economy going. Just saying. 

It comes down to control. Best way to sumarize the Millitary is that they are the last 600 meter of your foreign policy. Is Canada willing to give up its foreign policy and relinquish control of its own fate/future? 

Further more I would say that isolationist attitude is what started world war 2 and ukriane. Complacency, naively believing that without militaries the world will be a safer place. 

If you live in the free world and want to past that priveledge down to the next generation then I invite you to chip in your buck o five to freedom. 

Edited July 16, 2018 by paxrom

[GostHacked]

1 hour ago, paxrom said:

Hmmm lets clarify it now. Helping china integrate to the world order is good. Countering china's excessive/illegal territorial claim and predatory economics are a necessity. 

You had blamed trade issues on China when American corps outsourced to them causing part of the problem.

[paxamericana]

29 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

You had blamed trade issues on China when American corps outsourced to them causing part of the problem.

The corps are only pawns they go where its cheapest. If you rig a system to encourage intellectual property theft and subsidize production for export then yeah most producer would want to move to china.its called predatory Economics. 

[GostHacked]

26 minutes ago, paxrom said:

The corps are only pawns they go where its cheapest. If you rig a system to encourage intellectual property theft and subsidize production for export then yeah most producer would want to move to china.its called predatory Economics. 

The USA cannot claim 'theft' when they GAVE it to China.