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Sixteen years on and still no evidence for USGOCT


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3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

During the conflagration, steel failed...the concrete core did not.

And there was no conflagration in the twin towers or WTC7 on 911, just normal office fires.

The Windsor Tower perimeter facade collapsed. The core structure of the building, as any honest person can see, remained intact. Even after a roughly day long conflagration. 

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In contrast to the WTC Towers, the Windsor building was framed primarily in steel-reinforced concrete, with columns of concrete reinforced by thin sections of rebar. 4   The concrete pillars in the Windsor building are clearly visible in the photographs showing the intact core exposed by the collapsed facade. The very light construction of the perimeter, described below, makes it clear that the core was the main load-bearing component of the building.

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Compare these photographs of the Windsor building fire to photographs ofthe Twin Towers' fires and Building 7's fires

 

  • Steel is a good conductor and concrete is a poor conductor of heat. Thus in a fire, a steel frame will conduct heat away from the hotspots into the larger structure. As long as the fire does not consume the larger structure, this heat conductivity will keep the temperatures of the frame well below the fire temperatures. The same is not true of steel-reinforced-concrete structures, since concrete is not a good thermal conductor, and the thermal conductivity of the rebar inside the concrete is limited by its small mass and the embedding matrix of concrete.
  • Fires can cause spalling of concrete, but not of steel. This is because concrete has a small percentage of latent moisture, which is converted to steam by heat. Thus, a large fire can gradually erode a concrete structure to the point of collapse, whereas a fire can only threaten a steel-framed structure if it elevates steel temperatures to such an extent that it causes failures.

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Learn this and you too shall be delivered from ignorant fairy tales about super dooper nanothermite on 9/11/2001.

You just make silly comments. The more your comments are shown to be fatuous, the sillier your comments get. 

 

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6. What is the Energy Release of Super-Thermite Compared to Conventional Explosives?

A graph in an article on nanostructured energetic materials [21] shows that the energy/volume yield for Al/Fe2O3 composite material exceeds that of TNT, HMX and TATB explosives commonly used in demolitions (see Fig. (30)). xplosive [6, 24].

https://benthamopen.com/contents/pdf/TOCPJ/TOCPJ-2-7.pdf

 

 

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1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Silly comments are all this silly topic deserves.

Such nano-nonsense is to be mocked, not seriously debated.

Steel failed...concrete did not.

No, WTC steel did not fail. It was blown up by new high grade US military nanothermite, a super thermite developed by and only possessed by the US government.

Nobody else had access to this nanothermite so the ludicrous notion that is the US government conspiracy theory,  that some Arab hijackers crashed some planes into towers designed to take hits from such planes and caused the twin towers' structural steel to turn into steel with the strength equivalent to custard pudding is simply the dumbest thing anyone could ever suggest.

 

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Just now, hot enough said:

No, WTC steel did not fail. It was blown up by new high grade US military nanothermite, a super thermite developed by and only possessed by the US government.

 

This is utter nonsense propagated by conspiracy theorists and truther organizations to keep the party going long after the lights have been turned off.

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Nobody else had access to this nanothermite so the ludicrous notion that is the US government conspiracy theory,  that some Arab hijackers crashed some planes into towers designed to take hits from such planes and caused the twin towers' structural steel to turn into steel with the strength equivalent to custard pudding is simply the dumbest thing anyone could ever suggest.

 

Windsor Tower....steel failed from fire...concrete did not.

Learn it...live it...love it.

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16 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

This is utter nonsense propagated by conspiracy theorists and truther organizations to keep the party going long after the lights have been turned off.

 

Windsor Tower....steel failed from fire...concrete did not.

Learn it...live it...love it.

You are self describing because the only conspiracy theorists are the folks who support the USGOCT.  Most of them know full well, as you do yourself, that they are supporting the most ludicrous lies imaginable, all the lies put out by the US government. 

This is self evident because none of the USGOCT conspiracy theorists has any evidence for the US conspiracy theory. 

Look at how totally dismal has been b_c's offering of evidence - absolutely nothing, what you offered up were either outright lies or  just totally ignorant of the facts offerings that, again, illustrate the [total] paucity of evidence for the USGOCT.

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2 minutes ago, hot enough said:

...Look at how totally dismal has been b_c's offering of evidence - absolutely nothing, just totally ignorant offerings that, again, illustrate the [total] paucity of evidence for the USGOCT.

 

Follow your own complaining...this is not about me.

Steel failed from fire...concrete did not.

 

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18 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Windsor Tower....steel failed from fire...concrete did not.

You know you are lying because steel framed high rise towers have NEVER failed from fire, whereas, as has been explained to you numerous times, steel reinforced concrete buildings will and do suffer from fires and they have seen partial collapses. 

But not at accelerating speeds and at free fall. For both types of buildings this is an impossibility, it goes against the Law of Physics. 

USGOCT conspiracy theorists don't know or understand the principles of physics.

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4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Follow your own complaining...this is not about me.

 

You make no sense with your first sentence. Rephrase it, using English, please. You always make this about others, you are the one who started with your whining about conspiracy theorists, ... . Your hypocrisy is stunning.

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Steel failed from fire...concrete did not.

Why are you so earnest in your desire to illustrate you know nothing about the events or the science of 911?

As the article tells us, as you have been so many times informed, steel has never failed from fire. The Windsor Tower's STEEL REINFORCED CONCRETE PERIMETER failed because of the differential heating of the two dissimilar substances.

Concrete didn't fail on the twin towers or WTC7 either. It was blown up in micron sized particles and it flowed away from the demolition zone in huge pyroclastic flow that occur only in volcanic explosions and controlled demolitions.

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2 minutes ago, hot enough said:

You know you are lying ....

 

Steel failed from fire...concrete did not (e.g. Windsor Tower).

The WTC buildings failed as designed after aircraft impact(s) and fuel accelerated conflagration (fire).    The "theory" of gravity did all the rest.   Maybe gravity is also a secret U.S. government weapon !

Lies are not necessary to counter the stupendously stupid theories proposed by truther conspiracy theorists.  

This super-dooper nano-thermite nonsense is almost as ridiculous as Hoffman's "1.8 million explosive ceiling tiles" 'theory'.

 

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See what photographs reveal about the failed steel structure from the Windsor Tower fire.

Steel failed from fire (even without aircraft impact)....concrete did not.

 

Yes, we can see what photographs reveal. Lightweight steel reinforced concrete exterior  framing/flooring systems failed in a day long roaring fire.

Compare that to the twin towers that had pretty much just normal office fires, at low temperatures as witnessed by the volumes of black sooty smoke and after a very short time both suffered total global collapse, at accelerating speed, which is totally impossible according to Newton's Laws of Motion. 

In addition to that above totally impossible scenario, there was also the large volumes of molten and vaporized steel. That is also totally impossible because the twin towers temperature were at least 1000F short of the temps needed to melt steel, 3500F short of the temps needed to vaporize steel.

Then there is the molten molybdenum, melting point  3,180F, about 1,700F higher than WTC top temperatures.

This only scratches the surface of the myriad total impossibilities of the wacky USGOCT. 

The US government/military nanothermite, non-commercially available, found in WTC dust. 

And the by products of these thermitic reactions, molten iron microspheres, some 6% of WTC dust, when normal office concentrations are 0.04%.  Again, both these things are impossible and both are fatal to the USGOCT.

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16 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

See what photographs reveal about the failed steel structure from the Windsor Tower fire.

Steel failed from fire (even without aircraft impact)....concrete did not.

 

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I really have to wonder what is wrong with the folks who comment on MLW. Just read and try to comprehend the absolutely vacuous comments as regards the science and the events of 911 written by the defenders of the USGOCT.

Really folks, consider this in a serious manner. If there were these kinds of responses being made in other threads on other topics, people would be tearing strips off these folks left and right.

I'm not saying this is just bush_cheney2004 writing these totally nonsensical, empty of any evidence posts, although he/she, purporting to be some US military explosives expert should DEFINITELY not be engaging in this kind of subterfuge, deception, distraction, actual outright lies.

I will allow what everyone already knows - that is what US military personnel do and are required to do. 

The defenders of the USGOCT are like people defending the innocence of a Clifford Olson or a Ted Bundy or a John Wayne Gacy, using sneaky, obscure references to rumors/lies/fantasies and ignoring the volumes of actual evidence. 

It is dishonesty on the grandest of scales. It is the greatest lie ever told, and the really razy thing is, this lie has NO evidence for it. And you folks know it!!!!

How do people live with themselves, first, to ignore all the evidence, and second, much worse, trying to defile the actual evidence with lies, diversions, deceptions, second hand stories, useless speculation on silly topics like "would the US government do this?"

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The CIA hasn't be honest with the world about the JFK murder, they haven't put out ALL info and Trump wants them to but they threaten Trumps family if pushed and of course , u won't hear about  this on main stream media, they never tell the whole truth. In the book.. "mary's mosaic" written by Peter Janney  its about the CIA conspiracy to murder of JFK, Mary Pinchot Meyer and their vision of world peace. Meter was married to a CIA agent but she was having an affair with JFK secretly and they knew she knew too much and one day on her daily jog, she was shot in the head. The writer can backup everything he  writes about, a must read for the truth. 

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On 10/28/2017 at 10:48 AM, Topaz said:

1. The CIA hasn't be honest with the world about the JFK murder, they haven't put out ALL info and Trump wants them to but they threaten Trumps family if pushed and of course , u won't hear about  this on main stream media, they never tell the whole truth.

2. In the book.. "mary's mosaic" written by Peter Janney ... a must read for the truth. 

1. From what I have read, there seem to be a lot of agents and informants named who just died recently (of old age, I mean) which tells me that a lot of this is about protecting their own.  Of course, we have confirmation that the US tried to hire organized criminals to kill a world leader and nobody is interested in THAT.  That's because we have no public any more, we have a mass of dunder-headed gossips and celebrity fawners.

2. No, just more bullshit and selling books.  Oswald tried to kill someone else just before he killed JFK, it's well known.  He got the job at the book depository from a friend of his wife, not the CIA.  It was all just bad luck.  Lee Oswald was an angry Communist wingnut from the get-go and nobody would have bet a real conspiracy on a nut like him.

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On 10/28/2017 at 7:48 AM, Topaz said:

...of course , u won't hear about this on main stream media, they never tell the whole truth. 

You really think they're under orders or something?

The Tower of Babel almost seems idyllic compared to the vast amount of confused thinking our species labours under today.

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On 10/28/2017 at 7:48 AM, Topaz said:

The CIA hasn't be honest with the world about the JFK murder, they haven't put out ALL info and Trump wants them to but they threaten Trumps family if pushed and of course , u won't hear about  this on main stream media, they never tell the whole truth. In the book.. "mary's mosaic" written by Peter Janney  its about the CIA conspiracy to murder of JFK, Mary Pinchot Meyer and their vision of world peace. Meter was married to a CIA agent but she was having an affair with JFK secretly and they knew she knew too much and one day on her daily jog, she was shot in the head. The writer can backup everything he  writes about, a must read for the truth. 

The real culprits in the assassination of JFK are still alive, so I don't think that we will ever find out as to who was behind the killing of JFK. Some files will not be released due to them being considered classified information. What classified information are they talking about? There was a president shot and killed, and some of the information is to dangerous to be released? What? If some classified information is leaked, will a world war be the end result of any classified information being released? The mystery will still go on and on and on as to who really was behind the killing of a president. No one will pay for this criminal conspiracy of killing a president.. 

Some new information released showed that a bullet was fired thru the front windshield of Kennedy's vehicle indicating that there was another shooter involved in the assassination of Kennedy. I personally think that Oswald was setup. Hey, you never know. 

Off topic I know but I just had to throw that in. :)

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On 10/28/2017 at 8:48 AM, Topaz said:

The CIA hasn't be honest with the world about the

The CIA's mandate is to not be honest with anyone about anything. Occasionally, it happens that they are, or more realistically, moral people within the group cannot stomach the perfidy, the evil, the deep evil, ... so they choose to leave. 

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Windsor tower is not even close to a valid argument, it was still standing after it's major 18 to 20hr fire, you see that in the picture. The portions of the floors that did actually collapse did so over several hours. The WTC buildings were collapsed into piles ten feet high after about four hours... That doesn't raise any flags?

Here's an analysis   http://www.mace.manchester.ac.uk/project/research/structures/strucfire/CaseStudy/HistoricFires/BuildingFires/default.htm  

Although I'm not sure what HE is getting at with the aircraft he does have some very valid arguments and evidence about the collapse of the buildings. 

 

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On 10/22/2017 at 1:26 PM, Michael Hardner said:

You mean the low quality video of a guy who doesn't look like bin laden, released by the pentagon?

What about when Bin Laden denies being involved?

FBI assessment? That's your slam dunk argument? The same FBI who fabricates/manufactures stories?

Why Does the FBI Have to Manufacture its Own Plots if Terrorism and ISIS Are Such Grave Threats?
By Glenn Greenwald (Not just any reporter)

 

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