The Battle of Charlottesville

[betsy]

4 minutes ago, LonJowett said:

But why do you feel it's important to make that distinction?

Somebody accused Hal of being a nazi supporter just because he said the murder wasn't premeditated.  I responded by saying Hal is right, since the driver is charged with second degree murder.

Michael came on the scene to accuse me of trying to downplay, and lied  about it too.  I was merely stating a fact.  It's shocking to see Michael as a liar.  The way I regard him has changed.

 

Don't take my word for it......better go back and read.

Edited August 15, 2017 by betsy

[eyeball]

7 hours ago, taxme said:

My ilk? What about your ilk that is always supporting thugs like ANTIFA or black lives matter? You like to speak up for those thugs and try to cover up their azzes all the time. 

That's because my ilk are the good guys.

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What are you talking about? Are you trying to say that your grandfather was given a metal for fighting against white supremacists? What white supremacist war was he involved in that got him that metal?  Over to you, snowflake.

The 2nd world war.  Apparently you've never heard of it.

[LonJowett]

2 minutes ago, betsy said:

Somebody accused Hal of being a nazi supporter just because he said the murder wasn't premeditated.  I responded by saying Hal is right, since the driver is charged with second degree murder.

 

I don't dispute what was said. I just don't see you and Hal arguing that Islamic terrorism in similar situations might merely be crimes of passion and I wonder why. Why is this guy worthy of that distinction?

[betsy]

1 minute ago, LonJowett said:

I don't dispute what was said. I just don't see you and Hal arguing that Islamic terrorism in similar situations might merely be crimes of passion and I wonder why. Why is this guy worthy of that distinction?

 

You don't know what premeditated is?

I can't spoon-feed you.  look it up.

Edited August 15, 2017 by betsy

[jacee]

40 minutes ago, drummindiver said:

Lol. Where on this earth did you get that drivel from?

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/12/virginia-unite-the-right-rally-protest-violence

My mistake. Yes it was the same day, but after the police declared the Nazi rally an unlawful assembly and put an end to it pretty much before it started.

The Nazi rammed his car into a group of Antifas on the street. I believe the Antifas were celebrating the fact that the police halted the Nazi rally, but there were no Nazis in that crowd and no conflict happening at that location.

Obviously the homicidal Nazi knew that. He would hardly drive his car into a group containing his Nazi friends.

[Argus]

31 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Their core ideas were adapted into Western society because they were essentially economic.  The alt right ideas are all discredited racial purity nonsense that doesn't make a viable society.

Their core ideas involved nationalizing all goods and services. No private property. No democracy. State control over everything. No, they were not adopted into western society. Inherent within Communist belief is that 'the people' as represented by the State, of course, will make all decisions for the good of the people "the state' without regard to the well-being of individuals. 

[LonJowett]

4 minutes ago, betsy said:

 

You don't know what premeditated is?

I can't spoon-feed you.  look it up.

It means it was planned beforehand.

Why won't you answer why you feel it's important that that distinction is made in this forum? Is it less heinous a crime to you if he didn't plan it beforehand? Personally, I think he's Nazi scum whether he planned it or not. What do you think?

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, betsy said:

Somebody accused Hal of being a nazi supporter just because he said the murder wasn't premeditated.  I responded by saying Hal is right, since the driver is charged with second degree murder.

Michael came on the scene to accuse me of trying to downplay, and lied  about it too.  I was merely stating a fact.

 

Don't take my word for it......better go back and read.

Amongst other things this was also a unite the right rally that the Nazis and white supremacists in Charlottesville were holding but like Islam the right-wing isn't a race so its understandable why you and Hal and the usual suspects around here are so defensive.  You have priorities.

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[jacee]

50 minutes ago, drummindiver said:

Only thing I'm advocating is free speech. You're advocating violence and anarchy.  We all saw what "street action" and black bloc tactics entail, haven't we.

Yes, the Nazi cancer must be shut down.

[LonJowett]

44 minutes ago, Argus said:

What about physically trying to do so? I think Communists and Marxists - who are a prominent part of the NDP, btw, are every bit as dangerous as Nazis. Their movements are actually responsible for more slaughtered people and more misery than the Nazis. There were a lot of Communist flags and signs flying at the anti nazi demo but nobody seems to care about them.

You're saying the NDP has slaughtered more people than the Nazis?

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, LonJowett said:

You're saying the NDP has slaughtered more people than the Nazis?

 

Communist have. Mao...Stalin...and the rest of the happy dumpling gang of four.

[Argus]

It's interesting to note the hypocrisy of the Left on this issue. A hundred thousand members of one group (Muslims) commit brutal, violent terrorist murder in the name of their ideology over the course of decades, and the Left rushes to embrace that group after every event, proclaiming the group entirely free of any collective guilt in the actions of those particular individuals.

One member of another group (white supremacist) demonstrating in favour of a confederate statue runs his car over people, murdering one person, and the Left rushes to convict not only all White Supremacists, but the whole far right and anyone else who cares about tradition and history with collective guilt. Hell, they're now yanking down statues of Confederate era soldiers and stomping on them just to spite them all! 

Edited August 15, 2017 by Argus

[Argus]

3 minutes ago, LonJowett said:

You're saying the NDP has slaughtered more people than the Nazis?

Communists have. And there are Communists and Marxists in the NDP.

[LonJowett]

7 minutes ago, Argus said:

It's interesting to note the hypocrisy of the Left on this issue. A hundred thousand members of one group (Muslims) commit brutal, violent terrorist murder in the name of their ideology over the course of decades, and the Left rushes to embrace that group after every event, proclaiming the group entirely free of any collective guilt in the actions of those particular individuals.

One member of another group (white supremacist) demonstrating in favour of a confederate statue runs his car over people, murdering one person, and the Left rushes to convict not only all White Supremacists, but the whole far right and anyone else who cares about tradition and history with collective guilt. Hell, they're now yanking down statues of Confederate era soldiers and stomping on them just to spite them all! 

It's interesting to note the hypocrisy of the Right on this issue. They inflate the number of Muslims who have committed terrorist murder in the name of their ideology so they can better paint all muslims with the same brush. Then when many of their own group commit terrorist murder, they defend them and still whine about being painted with the same brush. Even though nobody is suggesting all conservatives are Nazis like they like to imply all muslims are terrorists. But whiners gotta whine.

[DogOnPorch]

Poor Islam (sniff).

[Argus]

10 minutes ago, LonJowett said:

It's interesting to note the hypocrisy of the Right on this issue. They inflate the number of Muslims who have committed terrorist murder

There have been over 31,500 Muslim terrorist acts since 9/11. Now how does that require exaggeration?

1275 people were murdered in Muslim terrorist attacks this month alone.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

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 Then when many of their own group commit terrorist murder,

But they're not my own group, and as far as we know it's just one guy.

 

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[LonJowett]

7 minutes ago, Argus said:

There have been over 31,500 Muslim terrorist acts since 9/11. Now how does that require exaggeration?

1275 people were murdered in Muslim terrorist attacks this month alone.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

But they're not my own group, and as far as we know it's just one guy.

 

You tripled the number of attacks cited by the clearly unbiased "religion of peace" website and then you ask how you were exaggerating?

But the right-wingers you defend have not committed just one terrorist attack. They are responsible for the majority of terrorist attacks on U.S. soil since 9/11 with an average of 300 a year.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/u-s-sees-300-violent-attacks-inspired-far-right-every-year/

[DogOnPorch]

[dialamah]

1 hour ago, LonJowett said:

My reaction when a Nazi drives a car into a bunch of defenceless people is not to take the position of his defence lawyer and try to reduce his charges. I am wondering why you would do that for this particular Nazi. Can you explain or is that too much to ask?

Betsy is a die-hard Trump supporter and this was a pro-Trump rally.  Trump and Trumpsters can do no wrong.

[LonJowett]

41 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Communist have. Mao...Stalin...and the rest of the happy dumpling gang of four.

Right-wingers have too. Hitler, Franco, Reagan, Cheney...  What's your point?

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, LonJowett said:

Right-wingers have too. Hitler, Franco, Reagan, Cheney...  What's your point?

 

The question being: who killed more? The National Socialists or the International Socialists? International Socialists win by a fair number. Unless, of course, you would like to engage in some rewriting of history...which is all the rage.

[bush_cheney2004]

45 minutes ago, jacee said:

Yes, the Nazi cancer must be shut down.

 

Nope...."Nazi cancer" is constitutionally protected speech and assembly in the United States.

Please keep the fascists limits on freedom in Canada...and Europe.

One of the interviewed "white supremacists" had an interesting comment:

"People who object to advocacy for white people are admitted white supremacists".

 

[DogOnPorch]

Brilliant.

[Wilber]

2 hours ago, drummindiver said:

Technically.

http://www.snopes.com/facts-about-slavery/

It doesn't surprise me that blacks owned slaves, slavery certainly wasn't unknown in Africa. In the US south it was only racial for whites however. I'm sure Ellison would have happily owned white slaves if it had been legal. Business is business after all.

Edited August 15, 2017 by Wilber

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, Wilber said:

It doesn't surprise me that blacks owned slaves, slavery certainly wasn't unknown in Africa. In the US south it was only racial for whites however. I'm sure Ellison would have happily owned white slaves if it had been legal. Business is business after all.

Slavery STILL exists. But it doesn't bother Canada THAT much.