Refugee crisis escalating

[capricorn]

The Liberal government was warned by senior immigration staff that a crisis was looming with regard to refugees and our ability to handle it. Immigration Minister Ahmed Hussen was cautioned that there will be a need to review refugee related policies in response to the growing number of refugees entering Canada. Couple this with Trudeau's open invitation to the world that Canada will welcome one and all with open arms.

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Immigration Minister Ahmed Hussen was warned in March that the flow of migrants entering Canada illegally risked turning into a larger problem — months before this week's surge of border crossings began, documents obtained by CBC News show.

The briefing prepared for Hussen by his top bureaucrat in March noted the trends in illegal crossings were continuing "despite strong collaboration among Canadian agencies and with United States counterparts" and that a "major humanitarian or security event could create an urgent need to revisit existing policies".

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But in an interview with CBC Radio's The House, Hussen said the flow of migrants crossing illegally into Canada has not reached a crisis level that would demand significant policy change.

"What we are dealing with is definitely a very high, steady increase in numbers, and it is obviously taxing our agencies and our borders, but we are able to redeploy resources and personnel as needed and are able to deal with the situation as it unfolds," Hussen told David Cochrane, guest host of The House.

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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau echoed Hussen's reassurances during a scrum with reporters at an event near Ottawa on Friday, saying Canada has the resources and the capacity to deal with the sudden rise in asylum seekers.

Trudeau said Canada remains an open and compassionate country when it comes to refugees, and that staying that way requires making sure Canadians know that the system is working properly.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ahmed-hussen-migrants-briefing-1.4235843

If we are so well prepared to absorb hundreds, soon to be thousands, of refugees streaming in from the US, how come we have to house them in a sports arena like so many head of cattle.

Mixed messages have been emanating from the Liberal government on this matter. Is it to much to ask that the government develop cohesive policies and take decisive action on this pressing situation?

[scribblet]

We cannot absorb thousands of them without problems along the way as in, no jobs.   What level of education do the Haitians have, if they are not skilled workers then we will be looking at huge welfare and medical bills in the long term .

The gov't/Trudeau is waffling on this as they are likely preparing a general amnesty for all illegals in another year or so.  This will be in time for them to vote (Liberal) in the next election.

 

 

 

 

[eyeball]

Oh ffs...real lefties were warning you about this nearly 15 years ago. But did you listen? 

No, you were to busy laughing and rolling your eyes.

Was it too much to ask governments to address the issues that were causing refugees? Of course it was because that would have interfered with efforts to exacerbate those issues.

We deserve 10 times the amount of refugees we're getting. And fyi...you still haven't seen anything yet.

Edited August 5, 2017 by eyeball

[hot enough]

You reap what you sow. You are the folks who support the refugee producers, the countries that terrorize these folks homelands and wreck their economies so they cannot do anything but flee. 

Edited August 5, 2017 by hot enough

[AngusThermopyle]

It should be noted that these are not refugee's. They're illegal immigrants, big difference. These people are coming here because they don't want to go back to Haiti, not because they're persecuted, fear for their lives etc. They do not bring anything of benefit to Canada and will be a drain on our economy. However, they will benefit the Liberals when they vote for them, this is blatant self serving behavior by our government as they place their well being above that of Canadian citizens. Trudeau is repeatedly showing himself to be a self serving egotistical amateur playing at being PM. He truly is a terrible choice for the position. 

[AngusThermopyle]

5 minutes ago, hot enough said:

You reap what you sow. You are the folks who support the refugee producers, the countries that terrorize these folks homelands and wreck their economies so the cannot do anything but flee. 

As I said, they're not refugee's. They're Haitians who were moved to the US after the big quake. Now they're supposed to be going home and they don't want to go. That's why they're coming here. It has nothing to do with your delusional rants about country destroying etc, etc.

[OftenWrong]

Doesn't help when PM Trudeau tweets to invite pretty much any illegal persons to come to Canada.

Justin Trudeau tweets messages of welcome to refugees as Trump travel ban sets in

[hot enough]

19 minutes ago, AngusThermopyle said:

As I said, they're not refugee's[sic]. They're Haitians who were moved to the US after the big quake. Now they're supposed to be going home and they don't want to go. That's why they're coming here. It has nothing to do with your delusional rants about country destroying etc, etc.

"As you said" doesn't amount to a wee pile of dog dung.

You folks support these war criminals/terrorists/murderers/thieves/rapists/child killers/... largely because you are so ignorant of history or you are just deeply evil folks. Neither says much about you as human beings. 

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Why the US Owes Haiti Billions — The Briefest History

 

By Bill Quigley

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• Colin Powell, former US Secretary of State, stated his foreign policy view as the “Pottery Barn rule”: if you break it, youColin Powell, former US Secretary of State, stated his foreign policy view as the “Pottery Barn rule”: if you break it, you own it.own it.

The US has worked to break Haiti for over 200 years. We owe Haiti. Not charity. We owe Haiti as a matter of justice. Reparations. And not the $100 million promised by President Obama either — that is Powerball money. The US owes Haiti Billions — with a big B.

The US has worked for centuries to break Haiti. The US has used Haiti like a plantation. The US helped bleed the country economically since it freed itself, repeatedly invaded the country militarily, supported dictators who abused the people, used the country as a dumping ground for our own economic advantage, ruined their roads and agriculture, and toppled popularly elected officials. The US has even used Haiti like the old plantation owner and slipped over there repeatedly for sexual recreation.

Here is the briefest history of some of the major US efforts to break Haiti.

In 1804, when Haiti achieved its freedom from France in the world’s first successful slave revolution, the United States refused to recognize the country. The US continued to refuse recognition to Haiti for 60 more years. Why? Because the US continued to enslave millions of its own citizens and feared recognizing Haiti would encourage slave revolution in the US.

After the 1804 revolution, Haiti was the subject of a crippling economic embargo by France and the US. US sanctions lasted until 1863. France ultimately used its military power to force Haiti to pay reparations for the slaves who were freed. The reparations were 150 million francs. (France sold the entire Louisiana territory to the US for 80 million francs!)

Haiti was forced to borrow money from banks in France and the US to pay reparations to France. A major loan from the US to pay off the French was finally paid off in 1947. The current value of the money Haiti was forced to pay to French and US banks? Over $20 Billion.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-quigley/why-the-us-owes-haiti-bil_b_426260.html

 

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[AngusThermopyle]

3 minutes ago, hot enough said:

"As you said" doesn't amount to a wee pile of dog dung.

You folks support these war criminals/terrorists/murderers/thieves/rapists/child killers/... largely because you are so ignorant of history or you are just deeply evil folks. Neither says much about you as human beings. 

 

Oh, how nice. And this has what to do with Canada? How does this justify illegal immigrants? How does this justify draining Canadian resources for people who should be going home instead of looking for a free ride in Canada? 

[hot enough]

10 minutes ago, AngusThermopyle said:

Oh, how nice. And this has what to do with Canada? How does this justify illegal immigrants? How does this justify draining Canadian resources for people who should be going home instead of looking for a free ride in Canada? 

I'm not the least bit surprised that you ignore reality and take this tack. Again, it either reveals your ignorance or your abysmal level of humanity.

[AngusThermopyle]

I'm not the least bit surprised that you ignore a valid question because you can't answer it, as usual. Back of the bus for you, the short bus.

[capricorn]

38 minutes ago, AngusThermopyle said:

It should be noted that these are not refugee's. They're illegal immigrants, big difference.

There are so many different terms used in the media it's not easy determining which are accurate. Even Trudeau uses different terminology.

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These people are coming here because they don't want to go back to Haiti, not because they're persecuted, fear for their lives etc.

As I understand, the US will not be renewing the visas for Haitians to remain in the US and they refuse to return to Haiti. Many of them are now claiming they will be persecuted if they return to Haiti, hoping for some sympathy from Canadian officials.

I read Montreal was at capacity in July in terms of facilities to receive asylum seekers/refugee claimants, hence the need use the Big O to house them.

As you and scribblet point out, Trudeau and the Liberals hope their largess toward these people will earn them future votes. Looks to me this objective is not going according to plan.

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, capricorn said:

 

As you and scribblet point out, Trudeau and the Liberals hope their largess toward these people will earn them future votes. Looks to me this objective is not going according to plan.

You didn't seem to upset when Conservatives were courting similar votes in similar fashion.

[capricorn]

Just now, eyeball said:

You didn't seem to upset when Conservatives were courting similar votes in similar fashion.

I guess you haven't noticed that all politicians of all stripe suck up to minorities and special interest groups to win their vote.

[Argus]

As someone who has paid fairly close attention to immigration and refugee issues for many years now I can say that at no time have I ever seen anything in the media which detailed the overall cost of accepting so many refugees (most of them phony) into Canada every year. We are spending billions and billions on this every year, but all we get from the media are soothing stories and happy faces from the new 'refugees'. Rarely to you read articles about how much it's costing us to feed, clothe and shelter them. Especially after their first year, when most will still be unemployable and on welfare. The legal fees alone cost us $50,000 per applicant even when they're turned down.

[Argus]

1 minute ago, capricorn said:

I guess you haven't noticed that all politicians of all stripe suck up to minorities and special interest groups to win their vote.

I do and have said as much. It was Mulroney's government which tripled immigration for just this reason. And Trudeau expanded the senior immigrant and family immigrant programs for the same reason. No list of costs involved, of course. We're never given such information unless it's thoroughly massaged and excludes all manner of associated costs.

[CITIZEN_2015]

24 minutes ago, Argus said:

As someone who has paid fairly close attention to immigration and refugee issues for many years now I can say that at no time have I ever seen anything in the media which detailed the overall cost of accepting so many refugees (most of them phony) into Canada every year. We are spending billions and billions on this every year, but all we get from the media are soothing stories and happy faces from the new 'refugees'. Rarely to you read articles about how much it's costing us to feed, clothe and shelter them. Especially after their first year, when most will still be unemployable and on welfare. The legal fees alone cost us $50,000 per applicant even when they're turned down.

It is not only the cost to consider but cultural incompatibility caused by the inflow of aggressive war torn people some with unCanadian culture which stands for oppression of women (or the belief that women are inferior) who pose a danger to Canadians and its culture. Canada has no fault in creating refugees and Canada does not belong to Trudeau to make such promises.

[Hal 9000]

Haitians are a lot more compatible than muslims.

[AngusThermopyle]

2 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

Haitians are a lot more compatible than muslims.

Maybe yes, but also maybe no. we'll have to wait and see I suppose. Personally I don't think it'll be too long before we are treated to some awesome Haitian gangs, much like the way our Somali's have  enriched and strengthened our culture with their super cool gangs.

[bush_cheney2004]

Canada has very much had a historical role in destabilizing Haiti.   Enjoy the Haitian refugee "blowback".....

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Canada’s Liberal government was instrumental in gathering together an exclusive coterie of international players to lay the foundation for Haiti’s coup.

Their first meeting, the so-called “The Ottawa Initiative on Haiti” (January 31 – February 1, 2003) was held at the federal government’s conference centre on Meech Lake near Canada’s capital.

... Canada sent “a team of JTF2 [Joint Task Force 2] commandos to Haiti four days before the coup” (American Forces Press Service, March 14, 2004). They “took control of the Port-au-Prince airport on…February 29, 2004…. About 30 Canadian special forces soldiers secured the airport and two sharpshooters [were] positioned on top of the control tower.” (AFP, March 2, 2004)

https://tonyseed.wordpress.com/2016/01/12/a-very-canadian-coup-in-haiti-top-10-ways-canada-aided-the-2004-coup-and-its-reign-of-terror/

 

[capricorn]

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"We are ensuring that the capacity to deal with these refugees is in place and our immigration system remains strong and robust."

Canadians know intrinsically the value that newcomers can bring to the country's community and its economy, he added.

"The core strength of Canada is that it's not governments that are open to immigration, it's Canadians themselves who are open to immigration," he said.

"One of the reasons Canadians are open to immigration is because we know it has contributed to the growth of this country. Protecting Canadians' confidence in the integrity of our system allows us to continue to be open, and that's exactly what I plan to continue to do."

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/08/05/justin-trudeau-canada-has-capacity-to-process-refugees_a_23066175/

Let's not worry. Trudeau has the situation under control and we can expect more of the same from him in future.

[CITIZEN_2015]

26 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

Haitians are a lot more compatible than muslims.

Each have their own cultural incompatibilities. 

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Each have their own cultural incompatibilities. 

 

???   Some Haitians speak better French than Canadians...what could go wrong ?

U.S. social media are telling all refugees to head north for Dear Leader's welcoming arms !

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/misleading-information-haitian-asylum-seekers-1.4235565

 

[Argus]

30 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

Haitians are a lot more compatible than muslims.

True. On the other hand, if we wanted to come up with the three nationalities which have produced the least successful immigrants to Canada we'd be hard pressed to do worse than Somalia, Jamaica and Haiti.

[Argus]

27 minutes ago, AngusThermopyle said:

Maybe yes, but also maybe no. we'll have to wait and see I suppose. Personally I don't think it'll be too long before we are treated to some awesome Haitian gangs, much like the way our Somali's have  enriched and strengthened our culture with their super cool gangs.

There are already a lot of haitian gangs in Montreal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD_yNRl9owQ